It's not really Fantastic, is it?

It's not really Fantastic, is it?

Is the Fantastic Four a metaphor for the depressing mindset of large movie studios? I the Fantastic Four a desperate attempt to cling to a property that should have long ago reverted to Marvel? Is the Fantastic Four even a Fantastic Four movie? I explore these questions... and ask a few more.

Editorial Opinion
By Parkerluckpersonified - Jan 28, 2015 12:01 PM EST
Filed Under: Fantastic Four
In the wake of the Fantastic Four teaser trailer I find myself rather whelmed by the whole thing. It seemed to suggest a darker, depressing type of superhero movie with a tone more suited to Batman than the usually brightly coloured and flamboyant Fantastic Four and their pandimensional adventures.

I ask the question of you, the CBM community, why make a ‘Fantasic Four’ movie that isn’t about them at all?

Let’s begin by looking at what seems to have been changed from the comicbook franchise:
 For starters it appears that the characters are no longer related. I have written a previous article with my feelings surrounding the changing of a character’s race as a focus so I won’t go into that here. The long and short of it is however that Sue and Johnny Storm cannot be biological brother and sister. The idea of a family dynamic in the Fantastic Four has always been the main USP of the series, aside from the brilliant villain of Doom it was what really set Marvel’s First Family apart. Through time reed and Sue have married and had children with powers of their own, FF was a unique vehicle for writers to explore what happens to the family unit when it is exposed to ordinary and extraordinary pressures- the death of a loved one (Johnny), the birth of a child, depression (Thing), the breaking of the nuclear family (Civil War). Can a film without a strong family emphasis really be true to the comic?

The origin of the FF has also been drastically altered. It appears Trank is loosely adapting the Ultimate origin story in which an accident in Reed and Doom’s teleportation experiment (Doom’s error) gives all five characters their elemental powers. In the film’s version though we see the FF enter, what I presume to be, teleportation pods; this implies that Richards is experimenting on himself and his friends... If you ask me they all deserve whatever freaky transformations take place if they volunteered to be zapped! What right has the thing to complain now?.. except that someone has stolen his pants....

Also we have the costumes; sure this is only a teaser but I didn’t see a ‘4’ anywhere on eth suits and they are most definitely not a- bright blue b- White c- red and black. If Superman didn’t have a cape or Spidey had no webs I would be furious. Yes there are less fans of FF, hence the comic’s recent cancellation, but surely there will be a little outcry over this?

Throw in that Johnny appears to be a mechanic, Sue looks twice as hot.. I mean old, twice as OLD as Reed (Who looks 12) and the overall serious dark tone of what appears to be an entirely Earth based movie and I have to ask, “Why is this a Fantastic Four movie?”

Yes we can point out that a studio must make films within certain time periods to avoid rights to the properties reverting to, in this case, Marvel. OK. Yeah. Great....
But let’s look with an uncharacteristically positive eye at what we have here:
  • A plot that doesn’t seem to follow a specific comic story line. Could we almost call it original?
  • Characters that aren’t taken directly from a comic book. If we changed their powers they’d be unrecognisable.
  • A unique concept, but one that isn’t taken from source material.
  • The director of possibly the most original and one of the best CBMs in recent years (Chronicle).
  • A talented, good looking, young cast.
Why isn’t this just a new, original superhero franchise? Imagine that trailer if we had never seen Johnny Flame On or the Thing at the end. I think that it would be a pretty darn awesome trailer for a potentially awesome superhero film. A film that explores the dynamic of a group of people accidentally given powers through an urge to explore and advance. A film that explores the idea of post-humanism- at what stage do we push to far into improving and adapting God’s original design? It could have really played on that idea we have loved since Mary Shelley- the idea of pushing the boundaries of science to defy nature and improve life but in doing so creating monsters.

Really I suppose this article is not what I thought it would be when I began writing, nor I imagine what you thought it would be when you began reading; It is not merely my criticism of a trailer for a film I have little faith or love for, but rather an article bemoaning the way studios refuse to take risks or push boundaries. The way that creativity if stifled through a fear of the new and of losing out in some battle of rights with a properties spiritual owners.

Ultimately I mourn the death of what could have been a great original Superhero drama, and despair the birth of what will probably be another forgettable attempt to revive a fallen franchise.
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tokens
tokens - 1/28/2015, 12:54 PM
i read the headline and assumed you were talking about your libido.
Saga
Saga - 1/28/2015, 12:59 PM
Trank and Kinberg have said numerous times that this film is based on Ultimate FF. You can see in the trailer elements of that like reed needing glasses or his childhood experiment so technically it IS based on the comics, just not the ones that were already adapted. Also only because Sue is probably adopted doesnt mean the family dinamic is gone, you can see in the trailer a moment of sadness between the two. And hell it great that sue is older than reed, in the original comics Reed is 9 years older than Sue so it really doesnt matter.


Lets first see the movie before we rush to judgement. If you want the goofy, campy F4 watch the Tim Story movies. Im all for a different take and specially in a market filled with MCU wannabes this is bound to be special
Parkerluckpersonified
Parkerluckpersonified - 1/28/2015, 1:15 PM
@GliderMan, I imagine you didn't sniff it, lick it or poke it either. None of your inactions are interesting :-)

@BlackCondor I own the entire ultimate run and really like some of it. The article points out how they have changed even that origin to have a very different feel.
Saga
Saga - 1/28/2015, 1:24 PM
Of course they are going to change stuff around. You cant just copy and paste material from a comic to a mainstream hollywood movie. We cannot have a movie where Doom has goat legs or where the F4 steal a spaceship to beat the commies. And hey, Its just a teaser. Maybe the movie is a lot lighter than it seems, like when Iron Man 3 had a dark teaser and it turned out to really light.
Minty
Minty - 1/28/2015, 1:44 PM
"Imagine that trailer if we had never seen Johnny Flame On or the Thing at the end."

Those were the two best parts of the trailer, imo. It's an adaptation - a new take - on the F4. Long time fans will always have the comics to remember - it's just a shame Tim Story & co [frick]ed up the first time around.

That said, I like where you're coming from - especially the direction this article went at the end. Why is Hollywood so afraid of new and original concepts?

And for that reason, I give you my thumb bud.
DrKinsolving
DrKinsolving - 1/28/2015, 2:07 PM

It is definitely loosely based on the Ultimate Fantastic 4, and you can see elements of that in the trailer....

But, the image below is also from the Ultimate Fantastic 4, and there are many more like it. I feel like the tone is the main thing that is bugging people, and the dynamic between the characters. Hopefully they keep that in the movie but Fox has mucked it up before with X-Men, Cyclops, Rogue, Storm, Colossus, etc....

I'm interested to see the movie and what Trank will do, but honestly Fox could have just made Chronicle part 2 and I would have been just as interested, maybe even more interested actually. But, I'm also sure the rights won't revert back for an even longer time, if ever now, so It is what it is....

DrKinsolving
DrKinsolving - 1/28/2015, 2:08 PM
Good article, btw, thumbed....
MercwithMouth
MercwithMouth - 1/28/2015, 2:17 PM
This is a well written article. But, it's also a terrible article. You have made a lot of unfounded assumptions.

The origin...we don't really know much about the origin yet. We know it involves the N-Zone teleporter. We know it involves Ben, Johnny, Sue, Reed, and Victor, along with a 6th person (my best guess would be Harvey Elder). We know that they are all working together at the Think Tank. We know that Franklin Storm is running the experiment. All of that sounds pretty close to the Ultimate origin. I'm certain that some specifics will change, but that's not a bad start.

Johnny a mechanic because he's under the hood of a car? Lol...I'm not a mechanic, but just last week I had to open the hood of my truck to put washer fluid in.

Reed and Sue's age...in reality, yes, Kate Mara is 4 years older than Miles Teller. But...really...do better.

Entirely Earth-based movie when we already know for a fact that they'll go to the N-Zone...

Now...on to the "family dynamic".

It appears that you have not listened to or read the interview with Trank and Kinberg from the other day. Ya know, the one where Trank specifically stated that the most important theme in the entire movie is family.

Also, the Johnny/Sue adoptive sibling thing. Yes, they are not blood-related siblings. My question to you, is why does that automatically change the brother-sister dynamic? I myself, know sets of adoptive siblings that are closer than blood relatives. Blood doesn't make a family. They can easily have the proper brother/sister dynamic that is required of Johnny and Sue.

The different tone is fine with me. The tone of the original movies failed miserably. Fox is doing the right thing by distancing the reboot from those movies.
Minty
Minty - 1/28/2015, 2:28 PM
I absolutely agree with Merc on the 'family dynamic' part. It shouldn't matter whether two siblings are adopted or blood relatives - family is family, no matter what.
DrKinsolving
DrKinsolving - 1/28/2015, 2:40 PM
@MercwithMouth

I definitely agree, "Blood doesn't make a family" , I know people that are adopted and they can actually become even closer through the experience.

But, I'm Not totally on board with the tone yet.... It's cool, but this is the Fantastic 4, they were never fully represented in that tone in the comics. This really feels like a Fantastic 4 movie made in the tone of an X-Men movie, or made in the tone of DOFP.

I'm interested in seeing what Trank will bring though, and at this point, I'd also be really surprised if this didn't do well at the BO....
WYLEEJAY
WYLEEJAY - 1/28/2015, 2:53 PM
I was [frick]ing adopted by one parent. That's the family I grew up with. So your saying their not my family? That's bullshit. Simple minded bullshit. Thanks for actually pissing me off.
Wallymelon
Wallymelon - 1/28/2015, 3:00 PM
Dude, did you see the first two films? They were way more comicbooky and they made two bad films. Everyone of your complaints are all based around nothing. Sue Storm is CLEARLY ADOPTED. Getting powers out of your control is a lot to be scared or pissed off about so there is a lot of drama and story that can be told with that. They are clearly going to become a family after all of these events. The suits are a clear origin for the costumes. I have never understood why any hero just has an amazing costume right out of the bat. It doesnt make sense.

Now if you were mad about the film looking like it will be too realistic and grounded then that's fine. Otherwise your'e just mad that it looks different from what you've seen before, which DUN DUN DUN! Is the whole point of a reboot!
WYLEEJAY
WYLEEJAY - 1/28/2015, 3:04 PM
Besides the bull I just read, my only complaint is Reeds costume looks like the arm and leg sleeves have like a spring brace around them. Looks weird. Other than that it looks different and exciting. Your nitpicking.
WYLEEJAY
WYLEEJAY - 1/28/2015, 3:09 PM
Unless it's cause he can't control his body yet and will go all limp without the brace. Guess that would make sense.
Pasto
Pasto - 1/28/2015, 3:53 PM
The movie does have a dark tone. Denying that is the dumbest thing possible. While watching the trailer I didn't feel heroic or uplifted (like the effect most trailers for Comic Book Movies have on people). No I felt the need to crawl in a corner and turn every light on in my house. Comics have specific details in them. And in those details lays a certain tone. A certain genre. Taking a Batman movie and making it a happy go lucky slap stick action adventure isn't staying close to the comics at all. Just like taking a group dubbed the First Family and making it look like a horror film is a baaaaad idea.

How people don't understand this is lost on me.
Pasto
Pasto - 1/28/2015, 3:57 PM
And using the whole "well getting superpowers would be pretty scary" excuse is just a piss poor thing to say to try and detract the negative attention this film is getting for the way it's setting itself up. Show me someone who'd think a Spider-Man film made by Christopher Nolan (dark and gritty director) and John Carpenter (horror director) would be a good film. Thats essentially what this film is starting to look like.
Pasto
Pasto - 1/28/2015, 3:59 PM
Oh, and you get a thumb from me.
Pasto
Pasto - 1/28/2015, 4:05 PM
Uh-oh, I upset Batmaniac.

Someone needs to come hug him and calm him down.
Pasto
Pasto - 1/28/2015, 4:06 PM
Here's an example of "happy go Lucky" Batman:


Wait a minute...
Pasto
Pasto - 1/28/2015, 4:09 PM
Did I ever let Batmaniac into my house?

Because he's talking as if he knows I have comics or not...
Pasto
Pasto - 1/28/2015, 4:12 PM
"Don't read comics"






And these aren't even all of my comics, just a box I bought a while back. Lol Batmaniac, this is low, even for you.
Pasto
Pasto - 1/28/2015, 4:14 PM
Also bought some Daredevil stuff...

That was a good day.
Pasto
Pasto - 1/28/2015, 4:15 PM
P.S. All Star Batman and Robin is actually pretty good despite what people say about it.
gamecreatorjj
gamecreatorjj - 1/28/2015, 4:20 PM
@Pasto, I don't doubt you read comics, but maybe New 52 Flash and All Star Batman and Robin aren't the best examples. I'm not slamming either, (since I have only read an couple of issues of each) but they aren't exactly the comics with the most "street cred."
Pasto
Pasto - 1/28/2015, 4:22 PM
@Batmaniac
Who said I didn't know what the Silver-Age is?

And I'm sorry my opinion qualifies as the "stupid shit" you're talking about.

And it's more than 9. I've got a collection the size of 2 plastic containers worth of stuff (Of course, I plan on building it up. But with time, money don't grow on trees.)
Pasto
Pasto - 1/28/2015, 4:23 PM
@gamecreatorjj
I hear you man. It's only been about a year where I've actually started to collect these things. Before I'd sadly read them a few times, then let them fall apart.

Once had someone spill oil on one of them.
Pasto
Pasto - 1/28/2015, 4:26 PM
Apologies I haven't lived for 70 years (I'll try to work on that). And you need to simmer man, you'll give yourself a headache. I've got more than those 4 Batman comics. Like I said, the day I snapped those photos I had literally just had the UPS guy drop off the box.

P.S., you can always google search those pics (SPOILERS: it'll take you to my twitter account, where I posted them.
gamecreatorjj
gamecreatorjj - 1/28/2015, 4:27 PM
@pasto I can feel that pain, I have an old collection of GI Joe comics that you can't pick up without them falling apart.
Pasto
Pasto - 1/28/2015, 4:28 PM
@Batmaniac
We live in the year 2015, not the 50's. People in theaters would be quite confused at a happy go lucky Batman film wouldn't you think?
Pasto
Pasto - 1/28/2015, 4:29 PM
@gamecreatorjj
Had just bought a Deadpool comic, sat it down in my bathroom (red flag #1). Someone went to wash their hands and dosed the thing in soapy water...
Pasto
Pasto - 1/28/2015, 4:30 PM
@Batmaniac
Since you want to talk about comics, how many do you have?
Pasto
Pasto - 1/28/2015, 4:31 PM
I love how the logic I'm getting here is, "if you didn't read it, don't talk about it."

If that was a rule on this site, this place would last for about a month.
Pasto
Pasto - 1/28/2015, 4:33 PM
I know what the silver-age it, have I read it? Hell no, I wasn't even a thought when that stuff came out. But I know what it is.
Pasto
Pasto - 1/28/2015, 4:38 PM
Why aren't these gifs working?
Pasto
Pasto - 1/28/2015, 4:40 PM
@Batmaniac
Mine (don't believe me, I'll provide a picture):
Daredevil
Batman (more than just All-Star
Black Dynamite
Deadpool
The Flash
Marvel vs DC
All-New Ultimates
Ultimate Hawkeye
One GI Joe comic......one
Avengers
Green Lantern
Pasto
Pasto - 1/28/2015, 4:42 PM
And I have two comics from the 70s-80s.
Pasto
Pasto - 1/28/2015, 4:52 PM
@Batmaniac
It's fine man, I apologize for running hot to. And you're right about that latter part...

But it's just to damn hard for me to not say something flammable...it's a curse...
MileHighRonin
MileHighRonin - 1/28/2015, 5:05 PM
Lmao. They are not related, therefore the family dynamic is lost? A real family does not have to be blood, are the Ninja Turtles from the same parents? No, yet they are still brothers, love not blood make a family.

They are teleporting elsewhere, and that makes them experimenting on themselves and they deserve what they get? Lol, in the comics they go up to study cosmic rays, some
would say they got what they deserve as well.

This article is nothing more than an upset fan complaining about it not being his vision.

Why is it so hard to understand this is a legitimate origin film, why would they have Four on their uniforms? They were explorers and scientists, at least Reed, before they were superheroes. This is an origin about how they came to be, the beginning of the birth of the first family.

Hate all you guys want, the FF are not going home. Just cause Sony talked to Marvel doesn't mean you guys have special powers to change cinematic history, your complaining just happened to coincide with Sony and Marvel talking.

To each his own.

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