Rob Liefeld Is Still Whining About Marvel Studios; Calls THE FANTASTIC FOUR "Dull And Boring"

Rob Liefeld Is Still Whining About Marvel Studios; Calls THE FANTASTIC FOUR "Dull And Boring"

Deadpool co-creator Rob Liefeld is still making Marvel Studios the target of his frustrations over not being invited to the Deadpool & Wolverine afterparty, and has now reviewed The Fantastic Four...

Editorial Opinion
By JoshWilding - Jul 31, 2025 09:07 AM EST
Filed Under: Fantastic Four

Earlier this year, Deadpool co-creator Rob Liefeld very publicly severed ties with Marvel Studios. As well as complaining about not getting a prominent enough mention in Deadpool & Wolverine's opening titles, he believed the lack of an invite to the premiere's afterparty "was meant to embarrass, diminish, defeat me."

Liefeld's other complaints included not being acknowledged by Kevin Feige on the red carpet, Disney not publishing all the photos taken of him and his family at the event, and his request to have a greater share of the spotlight at movie premieres and other promotional events being declined.

Since then, Liefeld has doubled down on hating on Marvel Studios, joining the legion of social media users and YouTubers who have figured out there's money to be made from negativity and empowering the trolls. 

The prolific comic book writer and artist is entitled to his opinion, of course. However, his timeline on X features a lot of the expected ragebait and validity for the type of fans who bemoan the "M-She-U" and revel in Marvel Studios' recent struggles with apparent superhero fatigue. 

Sharing photos of a near-empty theater, Liefeld has now offered his review of The Fantastic Four: First Steps. "This was the 5pm Fantastic Four screening at my IMAX," he said of the photos he'd taken before the screening and a blurry shot he quickly snapped during the end credits. "I can tell you why there is very little repeat biz on this film. It’s impossibly dull & boring."

In a later post, Liefeld added, "Vanessa Kirby carries the entire film and is tasked with some ridiculous lifts. She’s the VIP. Also, the Franklin baby is the cutest kid ever on screen. Adorable." He then implored fans to buy Fantastic Four #49 and #243, arguing that, "This Galactus would be amazing."

In a now-deleted post, he also took aim at Marvel Studios President Kevin Feige...again. "Hey, Kevin Feige, watch movies," he told the studio executive who has made the MCU a $31 billion franchise. "Go back and study films that impacted us, the blockbusters of the past. Watch Independence Day for the stakes you were after in FF. Watch Close Encounters for the scale and wonder. FF had no tension."

As a reminder, The Fantastic Four: First Steps has an 86% score on Rotten Tomatoes from critics and a 92% Audience Score on the Popcornmeter.

Liefeld has found his niche, and his continued disdain for Feige and Marvel Studios isn't going away. He never seemed to have an issue with the MCU before his perceived Deadpool & Wolverine slights, but the divisive artist is now doubling down on it, for better or worse.

Liefeld's role in creating Deadpool has often been disputed. While he certainly played an integral role in the Merc with the Mouth's first appearances as his co-creator, that version of the character has little in common with the one played by Ryan Reynolds beyond his costume and weapons. Fabian Nicieza gave Wade Wilson his motormouth, and Joe Kelly and Ed McGuinness turned him into a comedic character.

The Fantastic Four: First Steps is now playing in theaters. 

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MonkeyBot
MonkeyBot - 7/31/2025, 9:12 AM
Rob just sybau💁
TrentCrimm
TrentCrimm - 7/31/2025, 3:20 PM
@MonkeyBot -

I've never defended Rob Loudmouth Liefeld before.....BUT I do think this part:

"Watch Independence Day for the stakes you were after in FF. Watch Close Encounters for the scale and wonder. FF had no tension." is valid.

The movie had stakes, I saw the stakes and I understand them, but as a viewer I didn't feel them. It's probably the one and only complaint I had with the movie to be honest.
TheLobster
TheLobster - 7/31/2025, 9:13 AM
Dude is just embarrassing himself over and over again when he posts stuff like this.
dragon316
dragon316 - 7/31/2025, 9:33 AM
@TheLobster - yes kinda not wrong depends who you ask what video your watching ?si=a21J-a6pEVkKpSdo what he thinks on movie 16:06
Matchesz
Matchesz - 7/31/2025, 10:48 AM
@TheLobster - the director of the film literally admitted they left a lot of amazing stuff on the cutting room floor. So maybe Rob does have a point
TheLobster
TheLobster - 7/31/2025, 11:13 AM
@Matchesz - oh I definitely think Shakman kneecapped his own film by making it too short but the way Liefeld whines about Marvel just makes him look like a sad bitch lol
Lhornbk
Lhornbk - 7/31/2025, 1:50 PM
@TheLobster - Are you talking about Rob or Josh Wilding??
McMurdo
McMurdo - 7/31/2025, 2:10 PM
@TheLobster - dull and boring isn't completely innacurate though. It didn't have the life and wonder that the old Lee and Byrne runs had in spades. It felt more Hickman, muted, sterilized. And he's got a point on the lack of tension. Not once did I fear Galactus would destroy the planet. They cut a huge scene that involved denizens on that planet that gets destroyed in first person watching in terror as the ground they walk on fades to ash and they chose to cut it. Real shame.
McMurdo
McMurdo - 7/31/2025, 2:12 PM
@Matchesz - he does. They cut a scene where the denizens of that planet they encounter that Galactus destroys are reacting in complete terror as the ground they walk on is obliterated. A first person view of what Galactus can really do woulda helped add tension.
TheLobster
TheLobster - 7/31/2025, 8:06 PM
@Lhornbk - Rob lol

Josh is just trying to pay the bills - can’t hate on that IMO
TheLobster
TheLobster - 7/31/2025, 8:10 PM
@McMurdo - I definitely think it’s a safe film for sure. Rob isn’t completely wrong - I just think the way he blasts Marvel comes off as pathetic tbh

I personally wouldn’t call it dull and boring but I did think the weakest link was Pedro as Reed sadly. I just didn’t buy it and there wasn’t enough scenes of him leading and I wish there was more montage scenes of them operating as a team prior to Galactus too.
Matchesz
Matchesz - 7/31/2025, 8:43 PM
@TheLobster - Mole Man should have been an early antagonist in the film before switching the focus to the ss/galactus stuff, all his scenes alone made it seem like 30 mins was missing. I dont think you can really just throw a concept like “Subterranea” at the general audience with no explanation or build up to it, some scenes felt watching IG reels
Matchesz
Matchesz - 7/31/2025, 8:49 PM
@McMurdo - right, it’s like not showing Thanos and the Nova Corps or Gorr killing Gods all over again. Its like they’re really trying to cater to the new adhd tiktok generation so much they forget about people who still look at film as art, they could make a whole Avengers with all the deleted scenes from phase 4 alone
TheLobster
TheLobster - 7/31/2025, 10:15 PM
@Matchesz - completely agree. It’s already been confirmed that they shot a lot more scenes with Mole Man that was cut too.
DocSpock
DocSpock - 7/31/2025, 9:15 AM

Sour grapes much?

yawn.
vectorsigma
vectorsigma - 7/31/2025, 9:19 AM
Marvel disrespecting the comic creators.

Water, wet.
Goldboink
Goldboink - 7/31/2025, 10:00 AM
@vectorsigma -
Respect is a two way street. He was a mercenary from day one. A hired hand. He came up with a good character. Good for him.
Pimpanzee
Pimpanzee - 7/31/2025, 10:33 AM
@Goldboink - No he didn't. Still good for him, apparently.
MisterBones
MisterBones - 7/31/2025, 9:19 AM
What a little bitch. You're a grown ass man, get over yourself
SATW42
SATW42 - 7/31/2025, 9:19 AM
God he really is just an insufferable prick now huh?
Pimpanzee
Pimpanzee - 7/31/2025, 10:34 AM
@SATW42 - "Now?"
DianaGohan
DianaGohan - 7/31/2025, 9:22 AM
Did Liefeld really try and say "Hey Kevin try and make your movie more like Independence Day". Like even if we want to ignore how ANY credibility of that 1996 Emmerich film was flushed down the toliet by the 2016 follow up which had one of the weakest set ups for another movie ever, does he really not get how different not only in tone but FOCUS ID4 and the Fantastic Four SHOULD BE?! Then again considering a lot of his Marvel comics maybe not so much. Yeah yeah the guy had some decent stuff maybe in the very late 80s/early 90s but like even before he fell off the map and went to helping co create Image, his sort of style ONLY works with more edgy and gritty characters. You know your Cables or Deadpool (even though he did create the look and original conception of Deadpool, most of the aspects of the character people like came later from OTHER writers and artists) but nothing like FF so he really shouldn't be making such stupid baseless comparisons.
Apophis71
Apophis71 - 7/31/2025, 10:32 AM
@DianaGohan - I'd also add, most of the look of DP he copied from DC anyway which is why Slade and Wade have the same surname, I am NOT putting down what he is credited with but always wondered how creative he realy was as I can't think of much that was truly original and feet issues and the like aside I LIKED his artwork at the time. Even Cable didn't feel that new or groundbreaking as 2000AD and others had done similar prior and at the time was described as a "Dark Schwarzenegger Type" and derived from Arnold Schwarzenegger's roles in The Terminator and Predator.
McMurdo
McMurdo - 7/31/2025, 2:13 PM
@DianaGohan - he's talking about the tension on a planetary scale, the fear that the earth is doomed. He's saying it's absent in FF. He ain't wrong on that.
SATW42
SATW42 - 7/31/2025, 9:23 AM
Also, a Wednesday at 5 oclock for an IMAX ticket? What did he think the theatre was going to look like?

Just as disingenuous as people who take pictures of the purposefully unsold hard cam side of wrestling shows and claim no ones there.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 7/31/2025, 9:37 AM
@SATW42 - people have a certain agenda & narrative thus will do anything to fuel that.

I hate when “fans” do that with AEW and WWE when both companies have different approaches to wrestling to an extent and do certain things well that the other may not.
BigPhilbowski
BigPhilbowski - 7/31/2025, 9:54 AM
@SATW42 - I was agreeing until your last point. Wrestling shows always sell the hard cam seats when there's demand. The only time they're empty is when they can't sell them. A weekly routine for a certain company
Irregular
Irregular - 7/31/2025, 9:23 AM
Ehhhh, I don't like Liefeld's work or anything, BUT when I did buy tickets for this Saturday, I did notice as well that NO ONE is buying tickets for F4 like they did Superman. At least for Superman, it showed signs that it was packed for the second weekend, or seats were filling up. But for F4, it's DEAD.

Maybe it's dependent on the area, but here in FL, no one's talking about it or watching it.
mountainman
mountainman - 7/31/2025, 9:39 AM
@Irregular - I haven’t bought my ticket for tomorrow yet, but here is a comparison for me, in Denver-area Colorado:

- I saw Superman on its second Friday night. 9pm show time at the AMC by me in Dolby. Theater was nearly packed.
- I just looked at the equivalent showtime for Fantastic Four at the same theater, same time, and same format, and it’s currently empty. Not one seat sold.

Now does this mean this movie is going to fall hard? Not necessarily, but it’s an interesting comparison to make.
Irregular
Irregular - 7/31/2025, 9:43 AM
@mountainman - Exactly what I see too here in FL. For example, if I were to reserve a ticket later tonight, an hour before the showing, I would still have the opportunity to have great seats.

Whereas Superman, an hour before the showing, I would get bad to ok seating.
mountainman
mountainman - 7/31/2025, 9:47 AM
@Irregular - With Superman I bought my tickets 2 days before the movie and still had to compromise on theater seat location since all the seats in the danger in the ideally high rows were sold out. And that’s 3 days before hand. I’m now one day before I can pick any seat in the theater.
McMurdo
McMurdo - 7/31/2025, 2:14 PM
@Irregular - the film isn't nearly as 4 quadrant as Supes nor does it have the same rewatchability factor. You can watch Supes and see stuff you missed the first and second go round. Not the case with FF
McMurdo
McMurdo - 7/31/2025, 2:16 PM
@mountainman - that's a trend happening everywhere based on the first weekend fall off just from fri to sat and sun. This 2nd weekend is gonna tell us a whole lot about this film's legs.
mountainman
mountainman - 7/31/2025, 3:40 PM
@McMurdo - Yeah movies haven’t had the legs that they used to for sure. Marvel movies haven’t had larger drops in recent years as well.

If FF is to do well, this second weekend is going to tell us a lot. It really needs a sub 55% drop off to keep its legs under itself.
elgaz
elgaz - 7/31/2025, 9:24 AM
He finds FF dull and boring, I find his repetitively negative Marvel posts dull and boring. The circle of life continues.
SuperSpiderMan5
SuperSpiderMan5 - 7/31/2025, 9:25 AM
That bitch is always whining
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 7/31/2025, 9:25 AM
I’m sure some on here share his opinion on the film and to each their own but I am not one of them…

I was entertained throughout and invested & engaged in the family dynamic aswell as the central dilemma of the film hence I felt it was solid overall.

Obviously very few if any movies are perfect and this certainly had its flaws but the positives outweighed the negatives for me personally.

I do find it ironic though for Liefeld to tell someone to go back and study something given he should still probably learn how to draw feet first.
Skestra
Skestra - 7/31/2025, 9:26 AM
So Liefeld has become the old man who screams "Stay out of my comic shop!!" instead of a lawn.
Super12
Super12 - 7/31/2025, 9:29 AM
F4 was so good. Everyone who says it was slow or low-stakes clearly has so much brain rot they have the attention span of an 8 year old. They could've gone longer with it in my opinion, they probably left a bit too much on the cutting room floor because there seemed to be clearly pieces missing (Moleman & Sue, Ben's background, more on Johnny) that were likely filmed. This whole movie felt light and refreshing. Loved it.
McMurdo
McMurdo - 7/31/2025, 2:19 PM
@Super12 - you never see anyone in any danger in FF. You watch a cgi planet blow up in 3 seconds. Hes absolutely on point regarding the stakes. All we had was some chick in silver tell earth hey youre doomed. Show me they're doomed. It resolved with a kaiju waltzing into a city only to be shoved into a hole 5 minutes after he lands.

Liefeld is a prick but he's actually on point regarding the tension.
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