FANTASTIC FOUR Star Ioan Gruffudd On Why A Third Movie Didn't Happen, Cut Wolverine Scene, And MCU Return

FANTASTIC FOUR Star Ioan Gruffudd On Why A Third Movie Didn't Happen, Cut Wolverine Scene, And MCU Return

The original big screen Mister Fantastic, Ioan Gruffudd, has opened up on not getting to shoot a third movie, that infamous Wolverine deleted scene, and whether he's been contacted about an MCU debut...

By JoshWilding - Jul 30, 2025 03:07 PM EST
Filed Under: Fantastic Four
Source: Vulture

Welsh actor Ioan Gruffudd first played Reed Richards in 2005's Fantastic Four, and later reprised the role in 2007's Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer. His take on Mister Fantastic remains well-liked among fans, though Gruffudd has yet to return to the blockbuster realm.

The Fantastic Four: First Steps arrived in theaters last weekend, bringing the original Fantastic Four cast back into the conversation. Gruffudd, Jessica Alba, Michael Chiklis, and Chris Evans didn't appear in the Marvel Studios movie, though there were rumours about the latter showing up as Nomad (setting the stage for next December's Avengers: Doomsday). 

Vulture recently spoke with Gruffudd in a piece that takes a deep dive into his role in the Fantastic Four movies. It's well worth a read to learn how he approached playing the character, and the conversation eventually turned to the infamous deleted scene with Mister Fantastic transforming into Hugh Jackman's Wolverine. 

"I don’t know why that didn’t make it into the film," the actor admitted. "Paying homage to the great Hugh Jackman was quite a thrill because I absolutely love him as an actor and his Wolverine."

"I’m glad that it has a chance to exist somewhere. That was a reshoot, and I was in Vancouver on a soundstage and Jessica was in New York, so we weren’t actually together, but we look perfectly in sync."

Asked why a third instalment didn't happen, Gruffudd confirmed he and the rest of the cast were on board and ready to shoot a threequel. However, he remains in the dark about why 20th Century Fox decided against making Fantastic Four 3

"The mind-set was that we were going to do three, and I think the second movie was equally successful as the first and equally enjoyable for the fans," he said. "I particularly loved working with Doug Jones [as the Silver Surfer] on that movie, who’s just a terrific artist and an expert in the field of movement. If you want to witness somebody bringing a character to life physically, he’s just untouchable."

"So there was definitely that sort of momentum, and the plan was to do three movies, but these decisions are beyond my control."

Despite largely negative reviews, Fantastic Four made $333.5 million worldwide on a budget of less than $100 million, while Rise of the Silver Surfer ended up grossing $301.9 million on a $130 million budget. At the time, those were some pretty solid returns. 

Later, calling Evans' return as the Human Torch in Deadpool & Wolverine "a true delight," Gruffudd described his old co-star's cameo as an "iconic sequence" and added, "I was laughing out loud and just overjoyed by it, and it’s a beautiful homage to what Chris did as Johnny. Yes, he is beloved as Captain America, but he’s also beloved as Johnny Storm."

With that in mind, could we see him back in blue spandex as a Mister Fantastic Variant? "I’m not in the new movie. Fans are convinced that I’m going to be in a particular aspect of this universe that hasn’t been written or filmed yet."

"But this idea of people showing up has been introduced, like Chris in Deadpool, or I think Mister Fantastic appeared in the guise of John Krasinski at one point," he mused. "So, no, I haven’t been approached to reprise Mister Fantastic. But you never know."

If Marvel Studios plans to include the Interdimensional Council of Reeds in Avengers: Doomsday and Avengers: Secret Wars, then there's a good chance we will see Gruffudd as Mister Fantastic again. After all, someone needs to don The Maker's helmet. 

The Fantastic Four: First Steps is now playing in theaters.

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RockReigns
RockReigns - 7/30/2025, 3:18 PM
Because the first two were shit.
Floppyspider
Floppyspider - 7/30/2025, 3:21 PM
@RockReigns - they weren't the best, but shit is a bit much. I enjoyed them for what they were:)
CrimsonComet
CrimsonComet - 7/30/2025, 3:48 PM
@RockReigns -

Rise Of The Silver Surfer is better than at least half of the MCU. Insanely enjoyable and re-watchable movie even with all the cheese.

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grif
grif - 7/30/2025, 4:16 PM
@RockReigns - first movie is very descent.
KennKathleen
KennKathleen - 7/30/2025, 4:28 PM
@grif -

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SteviesRightFoo
SteviesRightFoo - 7/30/2025, 4:58 PM
@RockReigns - id rather watch them than any of the recent slop
dragon316
dragon316 - 7/30/2025, 5:21 PM
@SteviesRightFoo - same here they where fun to watch not boring show Johnny make jokes at thing
BritishMonkey
BritishMonkey - 7/30/2025, 5:41 PM
@RockReigns - They're more comic accurate than people want to admit.
Apart from Doom of course.
Pathogen
Pathogen - 7/30/2025, 9:39 PM
@CrimsonComet - I started watching it recently with my son, and even at 9 years old he was like "Dad, this is soooo cheesy" and asked to turn it off
Yetiman
Yetiman - 7/31/2025, 12:10 AM
@BritishMonkey - forgive me but what was accurate about doom in these movies? I don’t remember then that much
RolandD
RolandD - 7/31/2025, 3:04 AM
@Yetiman - His name, he wore a green hooded cape and wore a metal mask. That’s about where the accuracy ends.
BritishMonkey
BritishMonkey - 7/31/2025, 8:29 AM
@Yetiman - The only accurate thing they got right with Doom was in the second film where he captures and steals Surfer's board and powers. That's right from the early comics.
Nomis929
Nomis929 - 7/30/2025, 3:20 PM
I'm just gonna say it...He was a BETTER Reed Richards than Pedro Pascal !!!!

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F4ntasticClunge
F4ntasticClunge - 7/30/2025, 3:30 PM
@Nomis929 - that's it, let's take this outside!
Nomis929
Nomis929 - 7/30/2025, 3:34 PM
@F4ntasticClunge -
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F4ntasticClunge
F4ntasticClunge - 7/30/2025, 3:37 PM
@Nomis929 - iconic! ✨️
SuperiorHeckler
SuperiorHeckler - 7/30/2025, 3:44 PM
@Nomis929 - Well, you're not wrong. 🫤
jj2112
jj2112 - 7/30/2025, 3:48 PM
@Nomis929 - Nah, Alex Hyde White was the best. Look at that hair!

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Nomis929
Nomis929 - 7/30/2025, 4:14 PM
@jj2112 - LOL!! He looks drunk.

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JacobsLadder
JacobsLadder - 7/30/2025, 7:57 PM
@Nomis929 - easily. not even close. All four of them are better.
DarthOmega
DarthOmega - 7/30/2025, 3:26 PM
The cast was fine. The script was shit. Aside from some fun moments and an awesome Silver Surfer on the second film, it's no real reason to revisit those films. Admirable effort though.
TheVandalore
TheVandalore - 7/30/2025, 7:32 PM
@DarthOmega - I agree the scripts were those films weakest elements, I'd say the casts chemistry and especially the first films deep dive into the psychology of the team being effected by the transformation, specifically Bens story arc, I feel they did perfectly. So perfectly that there's no point focusing on Ben's origins/freak monster angle on film again, and I highly doubt we will ever get a more charming and charismatic Johnny than Chris Evans, he absolutely owns that role. Jessica Alba is still the weak link, I seriously will never understand that casting decisions beyond sex appeal. But even she has great chemistry with the cast, they all work really well with each other, especially by the sequel but their chemistry is obvious from the first film.
JacobsLadder
JacobsLadder - 7/30/2025, 7:58 PM
@DarthOmega - I think they're both good guilty pleasure movies. There are worst out there than those two. Elecktra for one.
ThorArms
ThorArms - 7/30/2025, 3:30 PM
I hope the MCU doesn't introduce his weird shapeshifting ability just because he used it in a couple comic runs. He's not mystique, so him turning into Wolverine like that was just weird
CrimsonComet
CrimsonComet - 7/30/2025, 3:49 PM
@ThorArms - I mean, it seemed like he could barley stretch in the MCU. They completely nerfed his powers.
LenSpiderman
LenSpiderman - 7/30/2025, 3:53 PM
@ThorArms - he was simply stretching his sideburns. No reason to get all bent out of shape.
lazlodaytona
lazlodaytona - 7/30/2025, 3:57 PM
Might as well let them all come back in a short scene so Olsen can kill them too.
grif
grif - 7/30/2025, 4:17 PM
@lazlodaytona - lol
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 7/30/2025, 5:07 PM
@lazlodaytona - Or the Celestials attack on the Council of Reeds from Hickman's run maybe.
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lazlodaytona
lazlodaytona - 7/30/2025, 8:07 PM
@ObserverIO - that's WAY better than what I said.
I like it!
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 7/30/2025, 4:28 PM
I enjoyed his version of Reed in the Tim Story films so I would hope to see him again in SW at the least…

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Honestly , I would say that those films (while not good) are better then they are given credit for and have their moments/highlights tbh.
DocSpock
DocSpock - 7/30/2025, 4:38 PM

They were watchable. I rated them 5/10 and 5.5/10 stars. We've certainly seen worse CBMs.



JacobsLadder
JacobsLadder - 7/30/2025, 8:00 PM
@DocSpock - for sure, especially lately.
Thebronxknight
Thebronxknight - 7/30/2025, 4:50 PM
I hated the first one and I kinda liked the second one because of silver surfer when they came out. Now I actually enjoy both. We were stuck in that everything needs to be serious and grounded place back then. Now I can enjoy them just like how I enjoy Batman and Robin. They’re goofy fun.
MyCoolYoung
MyCoolYoung - 7/30/2025, 7:58 PM
@Thebronxknight - I think Batman and Robin is a bad movie that's enjoyable. I've always said that, but Fantastic Four wasn't bad or good, but still one of those feel-good movies that I enjoyed
Luke8
Luke8 - 7/30/2025, 4:56 PM
Would’ve liked a third one back in the day. Oh well. Could definitely see him returning as the Maker in a Council of Reeds story.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 7/30/2025, 5:01 PM
@Luke8 - perhaps…

I highly doubt this happens given the dud that was Fant4stic and the very negative reception it got but I could see Miles Teller more as The Maker then Gruffudd

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ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 7/30/2025, 5:13 PM
@Luke8 - Miles Teler's gotta be the Maker. Fant4stic is basically Ultimate Fantastic Four, it's all set up. But I'd loveto see Ioan back as a Doom-esque Reed. Like Earth X Reed or the new Ultimate Reed.
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Something like that. But really it'd just be cool to see him come back at all, in the Council of Reeds.
MisterDoctor217
MisterDoctor217 - 7/30/2025, 5:30 PM
He’s still my Reed Richards 🥰
AC1
AC1 - 7/30/2025, 5:37 PM
I do think it would be a shame not to at least get him back in a cameo alongside Miles Teller, John Krasinski, Alex Hyde-White and maybe even a handful of new actors for a scene in either Doomsday or Secret Wars where Pedro Pascal's Reed visits the Council of Reeds.
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