RUMOR: Doctor Doom's Connection To The Fantastic Four (And What It Means For DOOMSDAY) Revealed - SPOILERS

RUMOR: Doctor Doom's Connection To The Fantastic Four (And What It Means For DOOMSDAY) Revealed - SPOILERS

A new MCU rumour claims to shed new light on what ties Doctor Doom to the Fantastic Four and how that could impact what we'll see from the characters in Avengers: Doomsday. Potential spoilers follow...

By JoshWilding - Jun 06, 2025 11:06 AM EST
Filed Under: Fantastic Four

It's no secret that The Fantastic Four: First Steps will introduce Franklin Richards, the son of Mister Fantastic and the Invisible Woman. On the page, he's an immensely powerful mutant, capable of bending reality and creating new ones. 

You probably don't need us to tell you how that could be key in Avengers: Doomsday and Avengers: Secret Wars. Now, a new rumour suggests Doctor Doom will indeed set his sights on Franklin. 

According to @MyTimeToShineH, "Doom will take Franklin Richards and will use him for his plans." This ties the Fantastic Four to Doctor Doom and explains what brings Marvel's First Family to Earth-616. It also lines up with First Steps' leaked post-credits scene

We still don't know whether Robert Downey Jr.'s Victor Von Doom hails from the same Earth as the Fantastic Four we'll meet for the first time next month. 

While that would deepen the dynamic between these characters, it's just as likely that Franklin's immense power is what brings Doom to his reality, prompting the heroes to follow him to Earth-616 (or send Franklin there to keep him safe, only for Victor to follow). 

It's hard to join the dots without having seen The Fantastic Four: First Steps, and many of these questions might not be answered until Doomsday, anyway. 

"It’s been so easy," Sue Storm actor Vanessa Kirby recently said of working with Pedro Pascal, who plays Reed Richards. "We met months before, we wanted to do this together. We spent time, we did some workshops together. We did everything to bond prior to [filming], because when you read the comics, you’re just like 'These two, man, they have lasted the course for some really hard stuff.'"

"And you know, I always find in onscreen relationships, to believe it, you have to answer the question 'Why?' You have to know why, not just, 'Oh, those two actors are together, or those two characters belong together,' and we’re told that."

Kirby added, "I get the pull, and even though they go through hard times, they keep coming back together. In the comics, to me, it always appeared like one of those really iconic relationships, but believable because it wasn’t a fantasy. It was just real."

One of Reed and Sue's biggest hurdles to overcome will be becoming new parents. That's teased in the latest trailer for The Fantastic Four: First Steps, which you can watch in the player below. 

Set against the vibrant backdrop of a 1960s-inspired, retro-futuristic world, Marvel Studios' The Fantastic Four: First Steps introduces Marvel’s First Family—Reed Richards/Mister Fantastic (Pedro Pascal), Sue Storm/Invisible Woman (Vanessa Kirby), Johnny Storm/Human Torch (Joseph Quinn) and Ben Grimm/The Thing (Ebon Moss-Bachrach) as they face their most daunting challenge yet.

Forced to balance their roles as heroes with the strength of their family bond, they must defend Earth from a ravenous space god called Galactus (Ralph Ineson) and his enigmatic Herald, Silver Surfer (Julia Garner). And if Galactus’ plan to devour the entire planet and everyone on it weren’t bad enough, it suddenly gets very personal.

Paul Walter Hauser, John Malkovich, and Natasha Lyonne have been cast in mystery roles. Robert Downey Jr.'s Doctor Doom is rumoured to appear, though that's surely a given with Avengers: Doomsday on the way.

Director Matt Shakman worked with both Avatar: The Way of Water co-writer Josh Friedman and WandaVision's Cam Squires on The Fantastic Four: First Steps' screenplay, with Eric Pearson (Black Widow) later coming on board for a final polish.

The movie is set to be released in theaters on July 25, 2025.

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NGFB
NGFB - 6/6/2025, 11:35 AM
"New rumor". . . "hard to join the dots". . . "many questions might not be answered". . . then what's the point of this? We don't need an article for every rampant speculation. . . Here's a new rumor I heard; Herbie started out as an automatic toilet cleaner, then gained sentience and became a transformer, becoming the robot you see in the movie.
thekabsin
thekabsin - 6/6/2025, 11:42 AM
@NGFB - just further adds to dead internet theory. We’re in a graveyard.
WruceBayne
WruceBayne - 6/6/2025, 11:44 AM
@NGFB - H.E.R.B.I.E didn’t start out cleaning toilets, he was a Viper alarm system that Reed installed on his 1992 Toyota Corolla that gained sentience through A.I and NOW he cleans toilets. 🤣
thekabsin
thekabsin - 6/6/2025, 11:54 AM
@WruceBayne - then Rico Fantastico took his abuela to the local wal mart to sell bags of avocados out of the trunk. Bet his mustache smells like goat meat tacos.
WruceBayne
WruceBayne - 6/6/2025, 1:10 PM
@thekabsin - yeah… this took a weird turn.
Vigor
Vigor - 6/6/2025, 11:42 AM
I have this crazy theory I just came up with and it has to do with doom bringing Franklin to 616

What if when Tony snapped his fingers, he also wished for his own revival. And for some reason, he was revived with his same scarring from the gauntlet (rumored that this doom has facial scarring) but with a different mindset. Thus doom
Or if knows the worlds will end due to incursions, so he actually is the same Tony but he is taking matter into his own hands illuminati style. And he is doing this to save the universe. Even tho it seems evil to kidnap Franklin. Doom, or Tony Stark, knows this is the only way. Maybe the snap, gave him foresight

I'm starting to think this doom isn't a variant that looks like Tony. But instead it is our Tony Stark from 616 who snapped Thanos away, and he was revived.

Am i the originator of this theory or did someone from reddit beat me to it?
First?
TheFinestSmack
TheFinestSmack - 6/6/2025, 11:47 AM
@Vigor - Holy shite...that would be kind of amazing if true. I'd never thought of that being possible. But it makes the most sense as to WHY they'd bring RDJ back.
Urubrodi
Urubrodi - 6/6/2025, 11:49 AM
@Vigor - I like your theory, but I wouldn't want it to be the same Tony that would tarnish his legacy. He had a great closure, they shouldn't turn him into a villain now. Being some sort of "reincarnation" is not bad though. Which would tie with their promotion during the Comic Con, "New mask, same task".

Don't think I saw your theory anywhere else yet.
Vigor
Vigor - 6/6/2025, 11:49 AM
@TheFinestSmack - I know right? If doom is going to 616. It begs the question, why? There are millions of universes

It could only mean 616 is his home

@MyCoolYoung @Apophis71 @TheVisionarv25

Get in here. Finally something good to chat about
Goldboink
Goldboink - 6/6/2025, 11:54 AM
@Vigor -
Interesting take. Coming out of the whole thing alive with his family was a big part of his initial buy in for the Time Heist.
TheFinestSmack
TheFinestSmack - 6/6/2025, 11:56 AM
@Vigor - Yeah, and if he does go to the FF's universe to take Franklin, choosing 616 to escape to would likely mean it's his home. Maybe if he wished for his own revival with his snap, his revival was meddled with by the TVA because his revival would have caused an incursion, so he was revived but sent to another universe where Stark didn't exist and he was all scarred up like you said. So he figures out how to get back to 616, but needed Franklin to do so. I've seen the rumors that this Galactus might be tied to Franklin and can also jump between universes, so maybe that all plays into Doom's plans to get back to 616.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 6/6/2025, 12:00 PM
@Vigor - not a fan of that idea tbh.

I would rather he just happen to look like Tony which creates emotional conflict between some that knew Tony
Irregular
Irregular - 6/6/2025, 12:01 PM
@Vigor - Solid theory. Only one question....did they really leave Tony's body there to decompose at the end of Endgame without a proper burial?

My theory is that it's another Johnny Storm/Captain America situation. Where the multiverse is so vast and large, that there too exists a Doctor Doom that may look like Tony Stark.

The drama that the team will feel, is going up against an enemy that they felt was one of their own, and is now threatening every existence known to man. I do believe Doom would use this opportunity to manipulate 616 though and saying he's Tony Stark.
ProfessorWhy
ProfessorWhy - 6/6/2025, 12:04 PM
@Vigor - so Tony was " revived " , does that mean in 616? So he was buried but also he is in hiding? Or his conscience and scars were reborn in another universe? Comics wise you can do this stuff easily, but screenplay wise, the theory needs mechanics. How do you think this would work exactly?
Vigor
Vigor - 6/6/2025, 12:04 PM
@TheVisionary25 - while that was my initial assumption, I also don't think thats friendly for casuals who haven't been keeping up with the multiverse and what variants are.

My theory ties this directly to end game. Which is a great jumping on point for people who ignored the mcu after Tony died
Vigor
Vigor - 6/6/2025, 12:05 PM
@ProfessorWhy - I see him materializing elsewhere after his body dies. Like a reverse of the snap
Vigor
Vigor - 6/6/2025, 12:06 PM
@TheFinestSmack - that would be so devilish of the TVA to do that lol. But on brand
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 6/6/2025, 12:07 PM
@Vigor - idk man , just don see that being the case since it wouldn’t be consistent with the rules they had established
ProfessorWhy
ProfessorWhy - 6/6/2025, 12:08 PM
@Vigor - that would be really cool... to see him come together from dust, after a scene inside the Soul Stone
Vigor
Vigor - 6/6/2025, 12:14 PM
@Irregular - no, as I mentioned to professor.

I see him materializing elsewhere after his body dies. Like a reverse of the snap
Apophis71
Apophis71 - 6/6/2025, 12:20 PM
@Vigor - Interesting idea although I would tend to prefer it isn't Tony at all, if going down that path I'd kinda prefer the notion that Doom did what Stark did at the same time in his universe and wished away the scars thus sorta gave them to Stark and took his appearance but IS a fun theory.
Fogs
Fogs - 6/6/2025, 12:27 PM
@Vigor - hmm I don't know... would be quite similar to his Ultron mistake, would hurt his character progression in my opinion.

Would be easier to have howard and maria being latverian and doom being a Tony variant from a different country, kinda like Supes' Red Son.
MyCoolYoung
MyCoolYoung - 6/6/2025, 8:17 PM
@Vigor - How the hell didn't I see this on main?

I think you're the first one to come up with this that I've seen. It would be interesting. Remember Clint called Tony the futurist; it could be a full-circle moment.

Honestly, I do believe he's actually playing Doom. He knows about incursions, and it'll play into some of the themes of Time Runs Out and Secret Wars, where characters were forced to make impossible decisions to survive. There will be universes versus universes, and Doom will swoop in with Franklin and create Battleworld by the end.
TheFinestSmack
TheFinestSmack - 6/6/2025, 11:46 AM
Wow so crazy MTTSH is here with this rumor just days after other leakers claimed that Doom would be after Franklin. SO WILD!
MarvelousMarty
MarvelousMarty - 6/6/2025, 11:47 AM
Jesus, how many times are we going to hear this???
Irregular
Irregular - 6/6/2025, 11:56 AM
No shit, that is LITERALY THE POST CREDITS SCENE THAT LEAKED FOR FANTASTIC FOUR!
NGFB
NGFB - 6/6/2025, 11:57 AM
Maybe Doom is actually a variant of baby Franklin! Or Doom is the son of Franklin from another timeline/reality/universe!
NGFB
NGFB - 6/6/2025, 11:59 AM
Or maybe when Tony snapped, he became the Reed sperm that became Franklin!
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 6/6/2025, 12:05 PM
I don’t know if I would necessarily qualifiy that as a scoop since it’s been one of the more popular theories surrounding Doom and his plan..

Anyway i could definitely see Doom becoming aware of Franklins reality warping powers and using him to his advantage , perhaps having him take over Loki’s place of holding the multiverse together but to Victor’s whims?.

I just hope Doom is from the same reality as the FF since it just streamlines things and gives them a deeper history.
DocSpock
DocSpock - 6/6/2025, 12:17 PM

Oh yes, Sue and Reed's little boy.

Galactus, Dr. Doom, Bryan Singer, and all the pedos in Hollywood want him. How WILL this drama play out?

Stay tuned.

Fogs
Fogs - 6/6/2025, 12:28 PM
@DocSpock - LOL. If the post credits are real, then the kid is a mcguffin indeed.
DocSpock
DocSpock - 6/6/2025, 12:35 PM
@Fogs -

That Hunter Schafer Mystique dude will probably want him the hardest of all.

CreateNowSlpL8r
CreateNowSlpL8r - 6/6/2025, 10:45 PM
@DocSpock - Nope. Its a pass for me dawg. Im finally tapping out of it all. Its over a year until Avengers so it will be in D+ for a year before the next movie released. Im done giving this studio my money.
DocSpock
DocSpock - 6/6/2025, 11:23 PM
@CreateNowSlpL8r -

Very understandable. Disney is just sickening.
BlackStar25
BlackStar25 - 6/6/2025, 1:11 PM
Shout Out to the director/writer who has to make FF2 without using Galactus or Doom.
PeterAlan
PeterAlan - 6/6/2025, 1:44 PM
Cannot wait for The Fantastic Four film. Already listened to the main theme at least twenty times today!
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 6/6/2025, 4:25 PM
So the end credits scene leaks and MTTSH's big rumor is to say what the scene heavily implied.

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