How to Improve the DC Extended Universe Moving Forward

How to Improve the DC Extended Universe Moving Forward

It's no secret that the DCEU is full of problems, but how can they solve them with their upcoming releases? Selina Camren lists off a few ways.

Editorial Opinion
By HamFam2 - Mar 31, 2017 12:03 AM EST
Filed Under: Justice League
The DC Extended Universe has undoubtedly been a mixed bag for many people. Some love it to the point of trolling articles with anti-Marvel comments anytime an MCU news article comes out, while some hate it to an equal degree towards DCEU articles. Needless to say, opinions are flying, and no matter what side of the debate you’re on, the universe as a whole is laden with issues. Whether it be storytelling issues or how the characters are handled, it is important to examine these issues, and determine how to solve them moving forward.

By the time Man of Steel was released in 2013, it was obvious that Zack Snyder was taking a rather unconventional approach to Superman. Instead of the fun and colorful beacon of hope from the comics, we were introduced to a darker take on the character who felt closer to Christian Bale’s Batman than the character people have come to know and love from television, movies, and comic books. However, it is generally agreed that this film was mostly solid, despite being weighed down by the final act, in which the battle between Zod and Superman causes mass destruction throughout the city, and the Man of Steel ultimately kills Zod.

This scene has been the source of controversy among fans, some arguing that this was particularly out of character for Superman, regardless of the film trying to be darker. When Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Justice was announced, director Zack Snyder promised the film would address fan concerns in regards to the mass destruction caused during this battle. Jump ahead three years to 2016, those concerns weren’t dispelled as many had hoped. Instead, more concerns regarding how each of the characters were handled were brought up.

Within the first few minutes of the movie, Superman had already killed a man; Jimmy Olsen, who in this universe was a CIA agent, was killed at the hands of terrorists; later in the film, Batman, who famously has a no-killing rule in the comics, plowed people down with machine guns; Lex Luthor was no longer the menacing presence he is in the comics, but an insane character with an overcomplicated plot to get the two heroes to fight. These characters, who have been developed through many mediums over the years, were suddenly stripped of everything that made them who they were. Superman and Batman in particular were characters that inspired generations of children and adults alike. These characters famously aspired to protect people without killing, if it was possible.

The problems in characterization go far beyond whether or not the characters kill. Superman, who in the comics is a fun and interesting character in the comics, is made boring, and is portrayed closer to Jesus than Superman. Throughout his first film, he managed to feel like an actual character, in part due to the efforts of the filmmakers to pause and allow the character some background through flashbacks and dialogue, which gave us the opportunity to relate to him. In Dawn of Justice, this was missing altogether. Instead, Superman only appeared every now and then, with very little dialogue and no opportunity to understand him better as a character. Ultimately, his character was killed off without giving the audience a reason to care for him. Batman didn’t have it much better; his character was suddenly a darker, less friendly take on the character many of us grew up with. It was obvious that Ben Affleck’s take on the character was heavily influenced by Frank Miller’s The Dark Knight Returns, and he was portrayed as a more experienced, angrier Batman. As soon as we were introduced to him, we were supposed to accept that this Batman, who was known for branding criminals in-universe, and killed people throughout the film, had a lot of history to him, despite none of it ever properly being shown on-screen. The only slight justification for why he acted the way he did in the film that was shown on-screen was the murder of his parents, which still doesn’t explain why the character was so different to the other versions we’ve come to know and love. It made the movie a lot harder to watch than it had to be if the character were already developed.


This brings us to another issue: the telling, not showing approach to storytelling the universe has taken. In Batman v. Superman, we briefly see the deceased Jason Todd’s Robin suit. In Suicide Squad, we find out Harley Quinn was an accomplice in his murder. In BvS, Wonder Woman is portrayed as more distant from mankind because she no longer believed that people were still good, despite us not getting to see what drove her to this point, which we assume we’ll get to see this year in her first ever solo film. Until everything is explained, we’re just supposed to accept that there’s more to these characters than we get to see. It’s a problem that has so far proven alienating for some viewers, but one that can be fixed easily in future films.

At the time being, Warner Bros has 16 live-action DC films in development, including the recently announced Batgirl, set to be helmed by Joss Whedon; Nightwing, rumored to be directed by Lego Batman director Chris McKay; and The Batman, to be directed by Matt Reeves. These three films in particular, each with a director attached to helm, suggest that there may be more story to tell than what we’ve been given. Whether they’re set in the past, or more likely the present, they’ll be bringing new characters to the table for future installments to help create a Batman family of films. This opens so many opportunities to fill in the gaps between Batman’s beginning, and where we meet him in BvS. DC just has to be sure to use this chance in order to win back fans. If they use these films to expand the universe and bring it one step closer to the comics people love, they just might be able to beat Marvel at the game they’ve been trying so hard at for so long. There’s enough material to use, enough well-developed and loved characters with legacies to bring to the big screen, that DC has no excuse not to use, if they’re starting to realise what they’re trying to achieve in this universe. There’s no reason we can’t have Teen Titans or Birds of Prey any time soon.

What I’ve been trying to say in this article is, DC needs to realize that there’s a lot of fun to be had in this universe, but they have to make an effort and tell every part of the story that they can. They’ve so far been held down by Snyder jumping the gun and starting off with TDKR/Death of Superman to develop a universe that’s just finding its footing. I’m rooting for DC right now, but they’ve got to work things out. We’ll just have to wait until Wonder Woman comes out this June to see if they’re starting to get things right.

Oh, and one last thing -- if DC moves on from the uncomfortable dark tone of Zack Snyder’s initial vision for this universe, and uses every opportunity moving forward to bring on directors to tell their own stories for these characters, I imagine we’ll be seeing a lot more directors. Hell, there’s a Flash movie that could use one right about now.

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ossie85
ossie85 - 3/31/2017, 12:29 AM
Thanks for the read!

DC have a public perception that they are just throwing things at a wall to see what sticks. Not saying that's what it, just saying that's how it comes across.

They need to not announce anything unless they have a date (and preferably a director) to go with it.

Take your time.
TheRealTomServo
TheRealTomServo - 3/31/2017, 6:30 AM
Speaking of The Flash, I want Edgar Wright to direct, and frequent collaborators Simon Pegg, Nick Frost, and Paddy Considine to appear as Harrison Wells, Darryl Frye, and Eobard Thawne/Zoom, respectively.
Philip
Philip - 3/31/2017, 9:27 AM
@BillMurray - Agreed on Wright.

Don't want Harrison Wells in the films. He's a character created for the TV show, and that is where he should stay to help differentiate the two.
Nick Frost as Frye could be cool.
I don't want to see a speedster villain until the sequel, at the earliest. When he do pop up, I feel like there's better choices than Paddy, but he wouldn't be awful. Much too old in my opinion, but that's subjective.
TheRealTomServo
TheRealTomServo - 3/31/2017, 2:03 PM
@Philip - In all truth, I dropped the show. Can't stand it one bit. But I like Wells as a character, and there's plenty of different directions the DCEU could take him. Maybe make him a big shot at S.T.A.R. that Barry admires, who can help him with tech. For example, maybe he can help Barry construct his suit-within-a-ring contraption. He could even take Dexter Myles' position as the curator of the Flash Museum. I do want him as Reverse-Flash in this universe too, though. Basically, make him more important to Barry's story so the reveal of his true nature is all the more impactful.

I dunno, I like Paddy a lot. He can play dark characters well, as well as bring some deadpan British charm and wit. It'd differentiate him from the CW Zoom, and require him as a one-off only.
monsterswin
monsterswin - 3/31/2017, 9:41 AM
Its a HUG vast Universe with classic characters, stories and tones that is not forever stuck in the late 80's into the early 90's Miller etc (which seems to be the DCEU approach). It's been all one note, misses the heroic side of the characters and the constant "cinematic" color correcting, filters, night scenes and bad dialogue have made it a sour dish to taste. As much as I have always loved Marvel and DC (over 45 years and counting) I have to say DC always has had a bit of a leg up in my book. Especially the JLA which to me is the Ultimate team book (at least in it's better incarnations).

Great Comic book stories can and have serious moments, fun moments (those great Hulk-Sub mariner tussles back in the day for instance), drama, action, lightness, heart, and nowadays (because the characters have been around so long) even nostalgia. These films are ADAPTATIONS of a source material and not a source onto itself as DC seems to want to be. For sure the material needs tweaking and updating for a film but please stop throwing the baby out with the bathwater in your zeal to do so WB's. Maybe said better....Please don't separate the comic from the book (if that makes any sense).

WW and JLA were well under production by the time BvS hit so there was no time to correct anything, but hoping once JLA is out of the way they have the balls to do what is neccesary to make it great for many instead of "less then many." AND PLEASE don;t make it all Batman, Batman , Batman! Like I said the DC universe is vast and grand! Use it! Show it! Make it happen! Make it work!
WYLEEJAY
WYLEEJAY - 3/31/2017, 10:14 AM
I just think they should stop trying so hard, to be different from Marvel. Like they're afraid to be compared, or called a copy cat. DC, it's a fact your following in Marvel's footsteps, you guys could of done this over a decade ago if you chose to. So your already gonna be compared anyways. So why don't you guys take advantage of being second, and watch what Marvel does wrong, and improve on that? Instead of trying so hard to be different.

By wrong I would mean mostly the criticisms about humor breaking up the parts that should be taken seriously. Only certain characters should have a personality like that, not the whole universe.
NoMeaning45
NoMeaning45 - 3/31/2017, 11:27 AM
I mean, your main criticism seems to be something thats been rectified, or looks like its going to be rectified, by the WW and JL trailers.

Plus, with the announcement that Aquaman will be an adventure film, and the recent announcements of Mathew Vaughn possibly directing MOS 2, and the announcements of Nightwing and Batgirl, It seems WB/DC beat you to the punch in terms of "fun" to be had.
WYLEEJAY
WYLEEJAY - 3/31/2017, 1:00 PM
@NoMeaning45 - I'm happy they pretty much said Justice League would be more fun. I can't stand Man of Steel. It's one of four CBM's I don't like. It just felt distractingly off the whole film. For me. But then I liked that tone for BvS. It made sense there and I really liked that movie. So like I said, I hope DC payed attention and don't make the same mistakes by trying to shoehorn too many jokes in where they're not necessary. A good balance is what they need.
katzb724
katzb724 - 3/31/2017, 12:43 PM
Why dont you point out some of the ridiculousness of the Marvel movies and character changes. For example,
1). Marvel has made just as many terrible movies as DC has. Incredible Hulk, Thor 2, Iron Man 2, were all terrible, but no one claims the shard universe sucks because of them.
2). Character trait changes. People flip their lid when DC alters character personalities, but let it go with marvel.
Tony Stark - the comic version of Stark is not like the character RDJ plays, but everyone ignores it because of how awesome RDJ is.
Thor - He is a joke compared to his comic book counterpart.
Guardians of the Galaxy - Drax is not comic Drax, neither is Quill
Villains - Lets just say the only good one has been Loki.
3). Plot Holes - Too many to name, but the whole universe is lettered with sloppy storytelling, extreme changes to the comics, and plot holes.

So yes, DC has its problems, but so does Marvel, yet people seem to just ignore them and rag on DC.

WYLEEJAY
WYLEEJAY - 3/31/2017, 1:04 PM
@katzb724 - It goes both ways dude, or are you new to this whole thing? I've been reading people bitch about those exact things since the beginning. You have to realize DC's biggest complainers, are the critics, who know nothing about the comics. The fans like what they like, but when a majority of the critics like one more than the other...
WYLEEJAY
WYLEEJAY - 3/31/2017, 1:05 PM
@katzb724 - and most of what you said is personal bias too. YOUR beef with Marvel.
Kyos
Kyos - 3/31/2017, 1:09 PM
@katzb724 - Incredible Hulk, Thor 2, Iron Man 2, were all terrible

That's your opinion. I found neither of them to be "terrible", but I'd call BvS and Suicide Squad that. Opinions.

but everyone ignores it because of how awesome RDJ is

Maybe if the DCEU had done genuinely "awesome" things with their characters there would be less complaints.

Plot Holes - Too many to name

Name a few, please.
katzb724
katzb724 - 3/31/2017, 1:16 PM
@WYLEEJAY - I know.. we don't call them critics for nothing. I just hate how DC movies are panned, while Marvel is largely praised. I mean, Civil War and BvS were basically the same exact movie. The same stupid, convoluted, everything has to happen just right for our heroes to fight, villain plot. Yet, DC gets trashed, Civil War is loved.
Kyos
Kyos - 3/31/2017, 1:17 PM
@katzb724 - DC has its problems, but so does Marvel

Few people claim the MCU is perfect. Just way less than the current DCEU. But even if near everyone agreed it had the exact same problems as the DCEU that would in no way negate the the DCEU problems.
katzb724
katzb724 - 3/31/2017, 1:27 PM
@Kyos - I did call BvS and SS terrible.
- It may be awesome, but its not the way the character is written in the comics. My point was both change their characters considerably, but its ok for Marvel to do it.
- Plot Holes
1). The way Starks suit is powered, repeatedly changes through out his movies.
2). Hulk can magically control himself when the plot calls for it.
3). SHIELD world council tried to nuke NYC, yet get mad the Avengers for causing a few deaths while saving millions.
4). Thor has clearly been to Earth before, but acts like an idiot when he gets banished.
5). Thor returning in the Avengers due to "dark magic"
6). Two inifity gauntlets?
7). THe eye of agomotto being in odins vault and then in the monestary.
8). Tony being "alone" in IM3, despite having dozens of suits to call upon.

I'm tired of writing.. Point is, DC is full of these, but marvel gets off the hook.
TheDayman
TheDayman - 3/31/2017, 2:26 PM
@katzb724 -

1. The ones you listed were bad, but even Thor 2, the worst MCU film in my opinion, is generally considered better than all the DCEU films except maybe MoS.

2. Tony Stark is very accurate to the Ultimate version. Thor destroyed whole cities and armies of Frost Giants. Zemo was a good villain too, and there have been others that were alright. Dormammu, Red Skull, Iron Monger... You're right about the Guardians though.

3. You say there are too many to name, but you don't actually name any.

Yes, Marvel has its problems, but people point out DC's problems more because, in most people's opinions, they have a lot more.
TheDayman
TheDayman - 3/31/2017, 2:27 PM
@katzb724 - The two movies are similar on the surface, and both of the villains do have convoluted plots, but besides that they are very different. The acting, writing, and actions were all better- or at least most people agree that they were.
katzb724
katzb724 - 3/31/2017, 3:35 PM
@Valdez - I did above
WYLEEJAY
WYLEEJAY - 3/31/2017, 3:44 PM
@katzb724 - 1. Because he's repeatedly upgrading them. Not quite sure what you mean here.

2.Thats the way Hulk is in the comics. Sometimes him and Banner want the same thing.

3. Shield world council had a top Hydra leader on its board at that time.

4. Back when Vikings were around? Things have changed a bit.

5. Odin using magic to send Thor to earth himself since the Bifrost was destroyed is really that bothersome for you?

6 and 7 are mistakes that Marvel is trying to write around.

8. Did you not understand the point of the film? It was to prove he didn't need the suits. His brain is what makes him special. He even tells Spider-Man in the new trailer if he can't be spiderman without the suit, then he shouldn't be Spider-Man. I love that line from him.
TheRealTomServo
TheRealTomServo - 3/31/2017, 8:40 PM
@katzb724 - "Why dont you point out some of the ridiculousness of the Marvel movies and character changes."

Because this article is about DC, not Marvel. Maybe next time, sport.

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