ASK A GEEK: Is Thor's Mythology Based upon Anybody REAL?

ASK A GEEK: Is Thor's Mythology Based upon Anybody REAL?

Our new feature "Ask a Geek" has already proven to be wildly popular. In this second installment, "Fartman" has a question about the god of thunder.

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By ComicBookMovie - Mar 15, 2011 03:03 PM EST
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Fartman queries...

I would like to ask a question about Thor. Does Thor have real-life mythology, and if so, why did Marvel choose to use him as a main franchise instead of other mythological people? How are they able to use him freely as one of THEIR characters? If Thor does not have real mythology, was he inspired by anything?


Galactus answers...

I will assume that you KNOW that Thor is a character in Norse Mythology and are asking, in your first question, whether his mythology is based on a real person--like King Arthur, who is believed by some to have been a genuine historical figure, a Romano-British leader who fought against the invading Anglo-Saxons sometime in the late 5th to early 6th century.

The answer to that question then is NO. Thor is a pagan religious invention.

Of course, since we're talking religion here, if you are Christian you may look at Thor as another evidence of a Christology in all myths. Meaning that Thor is a pagan representation of the "savior of mankind". Most every myth among all cultures have similar themes and stories that align with biblical accounts and are pointed to by religious people as evidence of man's spiritual "group think". The story of the creation, the flood, and Jesus redeeming the world have supposedly been told over and over again throughout time. Even today, Frodo represents the christ figure in Lord of the Rings, Aslan does in Narnia, and in comic books Superman descends to earth and saves the world again and again--as do pretty much ALL the comic book leading characters (Although, somebody needs to do an essay applying this theory to anti-heroes).

As for why Marvel chose Thor for their universe. Marvel creators needed a "strong" character to give the hulk a run for his money.

Writer-editor Stan Lee described Thor's genesis...

"How do you make someone stronger than the strongest person? It finally came to me: Don't make him human — make him a god. I decided readers were already pretty familiar with the Greek and Roman gods. It might be fun to delve into the old Norse legends... Besides, I pictured Norse gods looking like Vikings of old, with the flowing beards, horned helmets, and battle clubs. ...Journey into Mystery needed a shot in the arm, so I picked Thor ... to headline the book. After writing an outline depicting the story and the characters I had in mind, I asked my brother, Larry, to write the script because I didn't have time. ...and it was only natural for me to assign the penciling to Jack Kirby..." --Quote from Wikipedia


So I guess Marvel's Thor ALSO owes his inspiration to The Incredible Hulk!

And since nobody can trademark a Norse myth, Marvel didn't need to ask permission to use the character in their comics. Of course they HAVE trademarked their version of Thor: blonde, with the big circles down his front, the red cape and such. So if you market your own comic book with their exact look for Thor YOU can be sued. I remember in the early days of Image, Rob Leifeld did a version of Thor with red hair and a long handle hammer. Anybody remember that?

Would any of you other Geeks like to add? How about naming off all the other characters from myths that Marvel has stolen for their universe.
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Spock
Spock - 3/15/2011, 4:24 PM
All comic characters have their origins from other countries. Take STar Gate, it has successfully incorpated alot of Mythos from all over the world. Good article!
Angelus
Angelus - 3/15/2011, 4:24 PM
I somewhat enjoy these "Ask a Geek" questionaires. I had something to say about this questionaire but I'm too tired to write a comment that's 4 articles worth of length.
However I will mention this: I do not know how Thor presents himself in Marvel but in "Den Eldre Edda" and "Den Yngre Edda" he is not exactly presented as a Christ-Horus-Mithras savior figure. He is more of a, I believe the english term would be: bad-mother[frick]ing-ass.

I would not say that Nørron mythology has specific Christian features. There is always a certain theme that runs through in every absurdy that is religion/myth.
I honestly think such religious aspects incorparated into comicbook characters is only hurting the impact of the story and character. This is of course somewhat a hypocrisy of mine as I like Superman for being exactly such a character.
The more "real" the superhero is, the more identifiable the character is, in my view. Very few superheroes achieve a true essence of reality. Green Lantern is way out there but at least it's highly improbable and far fetched, not utter impossible and ridicoulus. Well, Green Lantern is actually kinda ridicoulus but the sci-fi elements are just so great.
Nemesys
Nemesys - 3/15/2011, 4:26 PM
Of course there's the Lion of Olympus, the Mighty Hercules!
Paulley
Paulley - 3/15/2011, 4:31 PM
mythology is a major source.. i dont think there is a myth/god that hasnt in some way been incorporated into comic universes... though im more familiar with marvel's uses with them, i know DC use Greek/roman gods from WonderWoman related things.

The shear variety of Pagan gods and mythological characters make them great for comics.. From the Celtic ones to all over Europe including people like Santa Clause.
DaenerysTargaryen
DaenerysTargaryen - 3/15/2011, 4:32 PM
it wouldn't be called MYTHology if it was based off somebody real
golden123
golden123 - 3/15/2011, 4:37 PM
Funny. It wasn't but just yesterday when I was having a conversation with some muslims about how most religons have similar elements or are based on each other (such as the Norse religion having elements of christianity as mentioned in this article).
golden123
golden123 - 3/15/2011, 4:40 PM
@Paulley: Captain Marvel, Darkseid and Apokolips, the Spectre, and Hawkman are some of DC's other more famous religion uses.
MarkCassidy
MarkCassidy - 3/15/2011, 5:02 PM
Well, a lot of myths do actually have roots in reality and are exaggerated. Robin Hood, King Arthur as G mentioned etc. Thor isn't actually exclusive to marvel either, he Loki and Odin appear in DC's Sandman!
Ryden
Ryden - 3/15/2011, 5:12 PM
As Ror has said a lot of myths stem from real events or people. There's a good chance Thor is based off of a real viking warrior from way back. I remember watching this documentary on Hercules where they talked about the real life people and events that may have inspired the myths. It's just like Christian mythology, Jesus was a real guy just his name wasn't Jesus and he wasn't the son of a god. And the founders of Christianity stole elements from other myths like Hercules for example, the idea of self sacrifice etc and incoprated it into their cult.
luckylu
luckylu - 3/15/2011, 5:25 PM
actually this ask a geek thing is kinda cool
golden123
golden123 - 3/15/2011, 5:41 PM
@Ryden: Why are you trying to start things? Comments like that will only create rage between users. I don't know if you're being immature or just not thinking things through, but this ask a geek thing could of been really peacful and fun.
Corpse
Corpse - 3/15/2011, 5:42 PM
I see much potential for this series(!)

@Golden123 - What are you talking about? What is Ryden starting?
BigK1337
BigK1337 - 3/15/2011, 5:55 PM
@Lantern Pretty much Ryden was trying (or maybe indirectly) to start one of those typical Christian vs. Atheist arguements that is usually created due to a comment made by either a dumb, ignorant Christian or a jerk-like, ignorant Atheist (notice by the use of ignorant).

Well enough about that, alot of famous works tend to be based entirely on religious and/or mythological works. Grant Morrison's JLA was based off the Greek pantheon, Dr. Samson obviously is based off of Samson from the Bible, and let us not forget the game Okami which is based on Japanese Mythologies. Either way, those things were great works in the end.
golden123
golden123 - 3/15/2011, 5:58 PM
@Lantern: He's trying to get someone to comment about his christianity insults. He knows that many people in our world worship that religion and that it is reflected on this site. He also knows perfectly well that the second half of his comment was unneccessary. He's just looking for attention which can lead to others not enjoying the fun of the article.
Corpse
Corpse - 3/15/2011, 6:16 PM
@BigK1337 - I didn't see it from that standpoint until now, and I guess I still don't see it. Btw, Okami is legendary. I need to play Okamiden!

@Golden123 - How is stating a fact 'ranting'? I didn't not know that many people are religious on this site.
We all are enjoying this series but I don't see any harm done.
Durango95
Durango95 - 3/15/2011, 6:21 PM
in less than 24 hours another ask a geek thing...
BigK1337
BigK1337 - 3/15/2011, 6:47 PM
@Lantern I know right! Though I am not sure if I am going to get the new Okamiden game since I haven't played a DS game in a while, so I might not be interested in it.

golden123
golden123 - 3/15/2011, 7:42 PM
@Lantern: I did say in lack of a better word after ranting and I explained, in parenthesis, that I wouldn't normally call it ranting but I think I'll edit that comment and change it to insults (despite the fact that I still don't quite agree with that word.
MaddMonkk
MaddMonkk - 3/15/2011, 10:21 PM
Marvel sticks pretty close to the mythology and has actual characters with accurate histories. Marvel has dabbled with alot of pantheons and present day stories honor and gives merit to the ancient tales. DC, on the other hand, likes to fabricate a lot of the past lore of mythlogical characters.
Paulley
Paulley - 3/16/2011, 2:14 AM
You are right that all myths and legend stories in all religions have some bases in truth.

Like Noah.. a story about a farmer saving his heard by boat after heavy rain on a massive flood plain area.

Or David and Goliath where someone hits a small stone off the head of someone with giantism that bursts the cancer that caused his growth in the first place killing him.


..

Even people that believe that we all came from aliens or atleast all visited by them in olden times use the fact that all religions all over the glob use the same part about people from the sky doing impossible things and build similar things (i.e. Pyramids) yet these cultures do not know of each others existence.

6of13
6of13 - 3/16/2011, 5:55 AM
If you have seen photos of the scab lands in Montana USA you might also know that the a giant flood was responsible for carving out the landscape of the Pacific Northwest in a matter of days. The ice wall holding back glacial lake Missoulla burst releasing water that had been building up for centuries. So, if something of that scale actually happened, I certainly can believe in the epic flood of Noah.

From Stan Lee's quote above: I remember seeing on some documentary that said Vikings warriors did not actually have horns on their helmuts. Check out this article about the subject:

Did Vikings Really Wear Horns on Their Helmuts?
6of13
6of13 - 3/16/2011, 6:06 AM
Now the question is: Why has no-one ever found a dead big foot, ever? I mean, humans come across dead animal remains all the time, but never a deceased big-foot. Paleontologists have found mummified dinosaurs. They can even tell what the animal ate for its last meal. If scientists can find dinosaur fossils from 100 million years ago, why not the remains of a big foot if they are supposedly around today?
niknik
niknik - 3/16/2011, 9:08 AM
Vikings do so have horns on their helmets........at least here in Minnesota they do.
Kuffs
Kuffs - 3/16/2011, 10:38 AM
Vikings had horns on helmet, but they were only used during cermonial and big feasts time.

However the popular belief they were used in battle and wars, are just a myth.
Kuffs
Kuffs - 3/16/2011, 12:13 PM
Vikings had horns on helmet, but they were only used during cermonial and big feasts time.

However the popular belief they were used in battle and wars, are just a myth.
golden123
golden123 - 3/16/2011, 12:27 PM
Vikings never wore horns on their helmets except seldomly for religious purposes (even then it was very rarely and it was more likely they would wear antlers). They would have thought them to be bothersome during battle.
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