Comic Book Movies - Redefining a genre, or just getting old?

Comic Book Movies - Redefining a genre, or just getting old?

Comic book movies - we love them! And now there are new movies slated way past 2020 along with TV shows, animation and internet shorts. Fans can't get enough, but is the market over saturated to the general public?

Editorial Opinion
By AgentSmith - Jul 31, 2015 04:07 PM EST
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I took my girlfriend to see Ant-man during opening weekend.  It took some time and energy to convince her to join me in what I believed to be a good movie.  It wasn’t because she hates these “superhero type” movies; she enjoyed Iron Man, the first Transformers, and some of the Superman and Batman films; but because it generally didn’t seem like a movie that interested her.  Hesitantly, she decided to go with me and after the second credits scene she told me I was right – she did in fact enjoy the movie and was glad we had a good evening together.

But, it wasn’t gloating in the fact I was right which led me to writing this editorial.  There was something she said during the Batman vs. Superman:  Dawn of Justice trailer that started spinning my wheels.  Here we are at a superhero movie, watching our second trailer of another superhero movie when I heard “I am getting sick of all of these superhero movies”.   And to be honest, this isn’t the first time these types of words have come across my ears from other people and editorials I have read.

The success of these types of movies is undeniable.   As long as Hollywood Executives and the Property Holders continue to rake in the money from record breaking sales, how could it stop?  However, there is a huge difference between what a superhero movie was during the 80’s and 90’s, and what we are getting today, and I believe it was a lesson well learned.  These movies continue to get bigger and better.  The stories are deeper, the stars attached to them are bigger, and probably best of all, they are entertaining enough to appeal to the general masses!  This is a great formula for anyone to come out and spend their hard earned cash at the theater.

So, there is no end in sight – right?  We will continue to see these movies well into the next 5 to 10 years.  But, are they getting old?  Is the genre wearing out?














The first question that comes to mind is – what genre are we specifically referencing?  Superhero actually fits into a few categories; Action and Science Fiction taking precedence, with comedy and suspense in the mix.  So, if superheroes are redefining the action genre, does this mean the action genre is getting outdated?  Clearly not – Jurassic World did very well for itself this past summer pulling in over $200 MM on a $150 MM budget over opening weekend alone (boxofficemojo.com).  And the same can be said for Sci-Fi movies with Terminator: Genisys generating over $300 MM worldwide on a $155 MM budget.  It appears to me people aren’t tired of seeing those types of movies. 












Trying to look at it from the outside in, maybe it’s more of the formula of the superhero movie that is getting old.  It’s no longer “good guy beating bad guy and getting the girl”, but more often then not “good guy, or team of good guys, defeating a major villain before they can bring the end of the world”.  And lets be honest, there are only so many ways you can bring about the end of the world.  But, I don’t recall anyone stating the James Bond franchise is getting old, and how many of those movies brought impending doom on a large scale?



I’m thinking its time we no longer label these movies into an existing genre, but instead create a new one specific to Superheroes.   The Superhero Genre or as this site so plainly states, the comic book movie!  Let’s separate it out from other clichés and allow it to be its own form of movie as we do for comedy or horror.  When I perform a search for a movie on Nextflix or Amazon Instant video, give me an option for Superhero movies specifically.  Let’s petition to start handing out grammy’s and emmy’s exclusive to this genre, such as best heroic scene or best villainous role.  Why not?  If this formula for a movie will continue through the next decade, we might as well recognize it for what it is, whether it’s liked or not.  Both Marvel and DC, as well as independent publishers have slated a formula that works, and will continue to work for years to come.  I think recognizing comic books for exactly what they are is long over due.  Every genre of movie has its bombs, as does this new genre, but its here to stay and I plan on buying a ticket for every single one that reaches my hometown, with popcorn in hand and a smile on my face.

At the end of it all, it, of course, comes down to your own opinion.  Maybe I’m partial because I am a big fan of these stories coming to life.  I say bring it all on (as long as it is a good movie!).  Personally, I lost interest with Saw after the third movie and I have zero desire to see any more.  Why you ask? – Well because it’s the same old thing.  But, last I heard, horror flicks aren’t getting old…

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LEVITIKUZ
LEVITIKUZ - 7/31/2015, 5:00 PM
The genre will never die. No film genre has died so superheroes won't.

The issue is variety. Superheroes films need to feel different from one another. Not just in tone but plot, characters, villains, shit like that.
DrKinsolving
DrKinsolving - 7/31/2015, 5:04 PM
I agree that CBMs should be a genre, or superhero movies, it makes more sense to me as a genre.

I don't think the end is near though, I actually think it's just getting started and I think that adds to the appeal of the movies, that there's always more to tell, and what happens in one movie doesn't just effect that movie or those characters but that entire cinematic universe
WYLEEJAY
WYLEEJAY - 7/31/2015, 6:56 PM
I agree. Kick her to the curb...
dirtydanwojo
dirtydanwojo - 7/31/2015, 7:11 PM
"Superhero movies" might be able to be considered a genre, but I've never been able to understand calling "comic book movies" a genre. Comic books are an art medium, and CBMs are just adaptations of those into a different medium.

We make movies based on novels, but we don't label them "book movies" as a singular genre, they each have their own genre: Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings are certainly different from The Shining, or The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo, or To Kill a Mockingbird. They're all based on books, but we don't label their genres as "book films." So why are people so eager to classify "comic book films" as a genre?

Just look at the ones we've had over the past few years: Captain America: The Winter Soldier was a political conspiracy film, Ant-Man was a heist film, The Dark Knight was a crime thriller, and Batman v. Superman looks like it'll have some legal aspects to it (especially considering the title using "v." instead of "vs.").

Plus, there are all the comic book films that aren't based on superheroes: 300, Kingsman, Men in Black, V for Vendetta, Scott Pilgrim, and Sin City are all based on comic books, and all very different types of films.

If there are people out there who claim there's a "fatigue" of comic book movies, why aren't they also complaining about all of the "book movies" coming out?
RextheKing
RextheKing - 7/31/2015, 7:32 PM
I didn't read yet, but I plan to, but why is this being discussed a lot lately? Well the answer is no, cbms aren't going to get old, especially with how diverse each of them are.
01928401
01928401 - 7/31/2015, 7:44 PM
@GliderMan
One of the reasons I love Watchmen so much. Ozy actually killed a buttload of people. I guess he's an anti-hero, but [frick] it. Better than all the other high risk villains that you know won't achieve their goal.
WYLEEJAY
WYLEEJAY - 7/31/2015, 8:07 PM
@dirtydanwojo. In my opinion, you kinda answered that yourself. Since the phrase Superhero Movie would not be applied to the films V for vendetta, etc. Comic Book Movies covers them all. To look at the mediums backwards too, are there any superheroes that have never had a book, but have had a film? Meteor Man is the only one off the top of my head. But maybe there was a short lived book at one time. Not sure. So if you look at it that way, Comic Book Movie covers a much broader range than Superhero Movie. Make sense?
PapaLazarou
PapaLazarou - 7/31/2015, 9:22 PM
This is the way I look at it. CBM's are just big budget blockbusters. Now, tell me a time when blockbusters didn't sell? They're a genre in and of themselves. For decades now, there have been blockbusters and that's not gonna end anytime soon.
dirtydanwojo
dirtydanwojo - 7/31/2015, 10:32 PM
@WYLEEJAY That was fully my intention, I was comparing "comic book movies" to "book movies", and posing that if people complain about too many "comic book movies", why not complain about too many "book movies"? "Comic book movie" isn't really a genre so much as it is a broad term to describe a wide variety of movies that fit into different genres. "Book movies" are exactly the same, but no one complains about too many of them.
WYLEEJAY
WYLEEJAY - 7/31/2015, 10:34 PM
@GliderMan. Yeah. Forgot about him. I did like that movie. No books came from its popularity? If even a magazine displayed a couple pages continuing Hancock in any way he's a comic book character. Right? Lol. I just don't know. So maybe there's just a couple super heroes that don't have a book. Their definitely the minority then. So I still stand by what I said.
WYLEEJAY
WYLEEJAY - 7/31/2015, 10:40 PM
I hear people complain about these tween books that are getting so many movies...


Twilight
Hunger Games
Divergent

Then you have the fantasy adventure ones...


Lord of the Rings
Harry Potter
Percy Jackson


Etc......I see what you mean. The books are so separated by different kinds of fans though. When the comic books bring in a lot of similar fans. So it's a much narrower viewpoint for these people to complain about. I don't think the general audience even knows the difference between CBM and SH movies like we are discussing.
Supafairy
Supafairy - 7/31/2015, 10:58 PM
I think as long as the studios mix it up a bit CBM's will be OK.

It's great that we have Marvel having their approach, DC doing their thing and Fox and Sony handling their properties the way they do. We, as fans may not always agree with the approach but in the end the general audience outnumber us and as long as we have them to help boost the ticket sales, we'll get our movies.

It all boils down to the money, if CBM's don't make money then studios will stop investing in them, plain and simple.

What I would like to see is CBM's making a bigger splash at the Oscar and not just for the behind the scenes stuff. If a book-to-film adaptation can win best picture or best actress/actor why can't a comic book movie?
TomSolo
TomSolo - 8/1/2015, 12:13 AM
Comic book movies as a genre are in need of a true "Empire Strikes Back" film. We need a major villain with the proper development and gravitas to not just threaten the heroes but kick their fvcking asses. Thoroughly and completely. Film ends and there is little hope.

We may get this with Infinity Wars part 1, but with part 2 only q year later, it kind of takes the edge off. I feel it would have been more interesting to see more films in between parts 1 and 2.
Ghostpointzero
Ghostpointzero - 8/1/2015, 6:19 AM
I wasn't going to see Antman either but I caved in last week and it was ok. The movie is very generic and follows a very tired formula that Marvel studios has been following for a while now. I can't see superhero movies getting boring to audiences but I can see them losing interest if they keep up the formula of good guy vs bad guy with the same powers as the hero has. I saw the latest Mission Impossible film Rogue Nation with some friends and for us it was a lot better than Antman, although I will say Antman was much better than the cluster [frick] that is Age Of Ultron.
WYLEEJAY
WYLEEJAY - 8/1/2015, 6:53 AM
How come every time I express my opinion on X men Apocalypse or FF, the article dissappears? Am I bad luck or are they deleting a lot of articles? MrCBMs just vanished.
Lhornbk
Lhornbk - 8/6/2015, 6:45 AM
Ok, first of all until sci-fi or action movies get their own awards (other than at the MTV Movie Awards), superhero films won't be getting their own either. Every now and then a great performance will be recognized like Ledger playing Joker, and they will sometimes get technical awards like sound or costumes or special effects. But science fiction has been fighting for recognition forever, so frankly you're dreaming if you think that superhero films will be different.

As for whether or not general audiences will tire of superhero movies, yes eventually they will, to an extent anyway. Now, the really good movies with the most popular characters will keep doing well. But at some point, the attempts to bring C-list and D-list characters to the screen will backfire. Marvel will eventually have a flop, every studio does. Probably Dr. Strange or Inhumans, or maybe even the next Thor movie if it doesn't improve a lot over TDW. My guess is that at least 1 or 2 DC films will bomb, either Flash or Aquaman or Shazam or Green Lantern Corps. (I think both Wonder Woman and Capt. Marvel will do well just from the novelty of having women lead those movies, unless they are just Superman IV bad. Or Fantastic 4 bad, lol.)

A lot of you won't like this, but the R Rating will probably severely restrict Deadpool's earning potential, and while it will appeal to a certain segment of audiences and to some fanboys, there could also be a backlash from general audiences who have come to expect that superhero films will be at least semi kid-friendly. Even Nolan's films could be watched by most kids. Think about it. 7-11 year old kids are going to see the Deadpool costume and think that it looks really cool and see that he's a superhero and want to see it. And there will be parents who will think that it probably just barely got the R rating, who know nothing about Deadpool and will assume that a superhero movie can't be that bad. They'll take their kids to it, and be in for a huge shock. And then there could be a backlash. Hopefully the backlash will only be directed at Fox, and not all cbms.
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