Mark Hamill Reveals An Alternate Ending For J.J. Abrams' STAR WARS: THE FORCE AWAKENS

Mark Hamill Reveals An Alternate Ending For J.J. Abrams' STAR WARS: THE FORCE AWAKENS

Star Wars: The Force Awakens ended with Rey confronting Luke Skywalker but Mark Hamill has now revealed that things were originally set to wrap up in a very different way. Hit the jump for details...

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By JoshWilding - Jan 11, 2018 03:01 AM EST
Filed Under: Star Wars
Source: Mtime
Star Wars: The Force Awakens ended with one of the biggest cliffhangers in movie history as Rey finally found Luke Skywalker and held out his father's lightsaber to him before the credits started rolling. However, it turns out that director J.J. Abrams originally had a very different plan which would have actually contradicted what Rian Johnson had in store for the fan-favourite character in The Last Jedi. 

"When we were doing [The Force Awakens]," Mark Hamill recalls, "Rian said, ‘Oh and by the way we might have a couple of boulders floating to show your Force emanating’, so I was led to believe that I still had the Force and it was really strong in me." That would have made for a cool visual but we know that Johnson asked Abrams to make some changes to the movie when he was hired, including having R2-D2 accompany Rey to Ahch-To instead of BB-8 (who instead remained with Poe Dameron).

"When I read [The Last Jedi] before 7 came out, I said ‘what?” and called J.J. or Rian to say, ‘Are you guys aware of this? Have you seen a cut? Is there floating boulders?’" Hamill continues. "And they said, ‘No, we caught that and we worked it all out’." Do you think The Force Awakens would have been better with this alternate ending? As always, be sure to let us know your thoughts down below.
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ODanil
ODanil - 1/11/2018, 3:38 AM
They were definitely not going for that type of stuff in TLJ.
IronMandarin
IronMandarin - 1/11/2018, 3:41 AM
Been thinking about one of the plot holes between Force Awakens and Last Jedi.

If Luke went to the island to die, why did he leave the map of where to find him? Who made the map?

Luke clearly didn't because he was so intent on staying in hiding and wouldn't come back even when he heard that Han was dead.

I was thinking R2D2 made it before he was deactivated in case the galaxy desperately needed Luke to come back, but then I remembered the map was in pieces.

So where did it come from?
CaptainElrond
CaptainElrond - 1/11/2018, 3:43 AM
@IronMandarin - I may be wrong, but there might be a fourth party we havent seen yet. I seem to remember redditors pointed out a speck at lukes deaths scene, meaning something was coming for him.
kylo0607
kylo0607 - 1/11/2018, 3:46 AM
@QueenCipher - It is simply a black spot on the sun's background.

But people need to hang onto the SMALLEST thing and try justifying it in their heads.
CaptainElrond
CaptainElrond - 1/11/2018, 3:47 AM
@kylo0607 - Shame, but still, they could easily turn into something.
Scarilian
Scarilian - 1/11/2018, 4:04 AM
@kylo0607 -

The entire movie has problems like this - i've yet to find a single aspect that does not contradict the previous movies or contradict itself at some point in The Last Jedi.
FrankieDedo
FrankieDedo - 1/11/2018, 4:07 AM
@IronMandarin - Han Solo clears that. People close to Luke knew he's gone searching the first Jedi temple. The map is to THAT not directly to Luke. The fact that it was so hard to find means that Luke wasn't that dumb after all.
Scarilian
Scarilian - 1/11/2018, 4:11 AM
@FrankieDedo -

Making a map hard to find still does not change the fact that there was a map to Luke Skywalker that people knew about nor that Luke seemingly decided to tell Han and others where he was going.

Also, Luke is a bit of a jerk if he told Leia and Han he was leaving to find the Jedi Temple instead of actually helping them try and get their son back. Not to mention that he did not tell them he was going there to die.
FrankieDedo
FrankieDedo - 1/11/2018, 4:11 AM
@IronMandarin - Also, Lor San Tekka was an archeologist loyal to the Jedi religion (and probably somewhat Force sensitive like Chirrut Imwe). It only made sense he had the remaining map.

R2-D2 probably just have some data removed in order to hide Luke's path to Anch-To.

And also yes. Probably Luke left a crumble behind himself because after all, he never completely give up.
kylo0607
kylo0607 - 1/11/2018, 4:12 AM
@Scarilian - Please give me examples.
FrankieDedo
FrankieDedo - 1/11/2018, 4:15 AM
@Scarilian - Nah, he went there because like all the jedi he did the dumb exile thing and also he wanted to destroy the circle that repeats every time: he says this clearly enough in Ep8. He says that Palpatine basically did with Anakin the same as Snoke did with Ben so he understood you cannot fight this like the first time and tried to find the third way: the balance.
CaptainElrond
CaptainElrond - 1/11/2018, 4:16 AM
@FrankieDedo - I dislike the film, but the idea of breaking the cycle was a good one. I just wish it led to grey jedi rather than what we got.
Scarilian
Scarilian - 1/11/2018, 4:24 AM
@kylo0607 -

As mentioned, the entire movie. I can go into specifics but i think it would be easier if you mentioned an example of a situation you feel is not contradicted by the previous movies or at another point in The Last Jedi. Then i can provide a counterpoint as to where it was contradicted.

@FrankieDedo -
Yeah, pretty much. Only reason he did it was to nostalgia bait fans by repeating what the others did in the other movies - but his reasoning makes no sense for the character. His destroying the cycle remark is contradicted by the arrival of the First Order, who rose up regardless of the Sith being wiped out.

As with many aspects the concept of breaking the cycle is better than the execution - as removing the main groups would result in more of a focus on the individuals and could lead into the concept of those possessing powers from the light and dark side, everyone could enter a morally grey area which would be more interesting as it presents a scenario where the audience could see stories where the characters are more relatable as they are less entirely evil or entirely good.
IronMandarin
IronMandarin - 1/11/2018, 4:35 AM
@QueenCipher - Same here. I like that idea as well because it calls the Jedi in the prequels out for being an idiotic dogma.
IronMandarin
IronMandarin - 1/11/2018, 4:35 AM
@FrankieDedo - That's a good answer, but I'm still unsure about a few things.

Ach Too was in an uncharted part of the galaxy, so not sure how Lor San Tekka would have been able to find it even if he was aware that it existed and the first Jedi temple was there.

Maybe R2D2 made the map to Ach Too, Luke discovered it, removed a part of it and put R2 into low power mode since he didn't want to be found. Maybe then that piece was eventually recovered by Lor San Tekka who was able to give it to the Resistance.

Thats the best explanation I can think of.
FrankieDedo
FrankieDedo - 1/11/2018, 5:12 AM
@IronMandarin - Yes, probably there could be some fiddling behind the maps. I don't know for sure and probably they cut everything in the 30 years gap, without explaining everything because it will probably get an explanation in the next animated series. I wouldn't watch a movie that contains 30 minutes of useless flashbacks that would be incomplete anyway.

Snoke's arrival and corruption of Kylo, Luke's exile, Resistance and First Order's rise are kept untold as of now to give freedom to something "big" that will focus on that time span.

The only logical thing to do is an animated series. You can do that without the actual actors and actresses but you can use the characters. Also, a more peaceful time is best fitting on a tv show pace. You can make a deeper analysis of the characters than in a 2-hours movie and explain everything without something major already put in place from the movies. (Unike in The Clone Wars, where the whereabouts of characters were very specific at the beginning and at the end)

And The Clone Wars (and Rebels too!) also showed that you can pull off something very good with this approach.
Gee, that duel at the end of Rebels season 2 is one of the best Vader scenes, period.
IronMandarin
IronMandarin - 1/11/2018, 5:43 AM
@FrankieDedo - Agreed. Hopefully an animated series set between Return of the Jedi and Force Awakens is coming after Rebels finishes.

The thing I hated most about Last Jedi was the fact that Snoke was supposedly this driving force responsible for turning Kylo to the dark side and building the First Order, yet Rian Johnson never gives an explanation as to how it is done which leaves a 30 year gap that they can't fill in with the movies.

As much as I think the film should speak for itself and we shouldn't have to watch or read supplementary material to understand it, an animated series would not only let them answer the mysteries about Snoke's identity and where the map came from, Kylo's training with Luke and how he was seduce and how the First Order rose to power, but also it would just be interesting to what happened with Luke, Han and Leia in the last 30 years.

I'd be well on board for that.
UltimateCarnage
UltimateCarnage - 1/11/2018, 3:46 AM
This all reeks of Disney (and in particular Kathleen Kennedy) not having an idea of what to do with this new Star Wars universe and only having the shell of a concrete plan.

Before The Force Awakens, we were spoon fed the whole 'who is Luke Skywalker' rhetoric as if something interesting might happen there.

Now it seems they hired JJ to make a remake and then said to Rian 'do what you want' in response to the slow burning criticism of the first film, and now they're going into a third film and it's all a mess.

In spite of the money made (which I am sure is most important to Disney) this has to be one of the worst put together trilogies in movie making history (from a narrative sense).

I don't think I have ever seen such a contrast of style, technique and storytelling as I did between The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi. Rian has killed it for me.

People can criticise the MCU formula all they want, and whilst this might be a valid criticism in some respects, it has kept a narrative continuity in spite of the ever evolving style of the individual films.

This new Star Wars Universe thing Disney wanted is beyond saving at this point.

Honestly, they should kill it after Episode 9 and go to the Old Republic or into the distant future if they want to build an actual Marvel like Universe.
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