Shaman revisits Zack Snyder’s SUCKER PUNCH

Shaman revisits Zack Snyder’s SUCKER PUNCH

How does the movie fair nowadays, playing at home on the flat screen, when all the hype and tripe should be pretty much all but extinct?

Review Opinion
By Shaman - Dec 05, 2011 10:12 AM EST
Filed Under: Sci-Fi



Personally, I will never understand all the criticism Sucker Punch got or still gets to this day, especially since there are in existence way more deranged films being acclaimed such as A Clockwork Orange for example, or even less intellectual properties being adored such as the Transformers or the Fast and Furious franchises. Not that those aren’t enjoyable, I just fail to see what they have that Sucker Punch lacks. The premise of this film is quite simple, so simple in fact that you didn't even need any dialog to understand the opening set-up. The main character then gets taken to the asylum and that's probably where people lose grasp of the perception they had of the film as it drastically morphs into something entirely different. I think of it as starting to eat steak and potatoes, and then realising it tastes like blueberry cheesecake. So I can see how some might be put off by it, I just can't see why many would consider it that bad, or the worst thing they've tasted in their entire lives. The trailer even showed both the fantastical action oriented aspects as much as the melodramatic psychological underlay, so I knew I'd be getting two meals in one plate from the get-go, and I can't understand how people could have expected anything else.

The very point of the movie was entirely about perception, state of mind and psychological struggle. It might not have laid out everything for you like Inception did, but it's just as smart a concept if not more so than Inception's. I'm not going to pretend it's deeper than a beatnik's wet dream because it clearly wasn't (neither was Inception, btw), which is what I actually appreciated most from this film. It didn't pretend to be any more than what it was, which I felt was refreshing. It was just someone's screwed up perception of the particular situation she was in and how she found deep within herself the power to psychologically set herself free. I'd imagine anyone being taken out of society on account of needing any psycho-medication, to live in their own bubble-world where things aren't perceived the same way as they are for us. Could it have used more character development? What movie couldn’t? Inception itself featured a dozen shoehorned characters thrown into the plot like a reality show on a desert island. However it still gets plenty of stars all around and even I was able to enjoy it on the second try.

The lead character was heavily traumatised and suffered great psychological consequences because of it. She was caged into an asylum she felt resembled her day and age's mob controlled burlesque backstreet cabarets. If you noticed the car at the beginning and the bus at the end, you'd know this film wasn't taking place in 2011. The staff chief was the pimp that kept her caged and her shrink was the stage director that helped her blossom. The old man she had as a guide was what the opening narration labelled an "angel", but as a shaman I prefer to think of him as her own higher self. In fact, the whole movie felt like one huge shamanic journey to me and I felt it was very well executed. Snyder proved to me once again that he was indeed the visual master I always saw him as, even giving us slow-motion in scenes that actually suited it this time around, contrary to Watchmen. And I found the high definition home theatre experience to be entirely breathtaking.

The one thing I simply can't get behind no matter how hard I try is how feminists could ever think the movie was degrading to women. This wasn't "Showgirls" for frak's sake, there wasn't even the slightest nip-slip or ass crack to be found. In fact, coming from 300 and Watchmen, i was surprised there wasn't any nudity what so ever. I'm not saying it could've used some but it might actually have given feminists something concrete to base their arguments on. How they can let slip or even enjoy Moulin Rouge yet unleash their unyielding wraths on Sucker Punch is completely and utterly beyond me. There wasn't even a rape scene, not even an implied one. Sure, one was "about to" take place in one scene but it didn't. Shouldn't people be glad about that? So what was the problem? Was it that it was historically accurate in portraying such a dirty yet common aspect of that society at that time? By all means, let us all start burning down and ignoring our history because we shouldn't be learning from it, we should just be forgetting it ever existed just so it can better repeat itself. Was it that it was women being caged by men? Are you honestly willing to argue that there were never any all-female asylums before? And that especially in that day and age, the guards weren't mostly male? I'm pretty sure that's a fairly historically accurate rendition, as far as I’ve heard. Judging from all their raving, "A League Of Their Own" must be the most misogynistic, sexist and degrading movie ever made. Oh but it had Rosie and Madonna in it so it gets a pass.

In conclusion, this film definitely wasn’t all that it was hyped up to be prior to opening, as most blockbusters tend to suffer the same fate in our internet based day and age, but there is no argument in the world that could prove it to be any worse than many successful and loved classic masterpieces as well as current cinematic franchises. It all comes down to personal tastes but I just hope you can all be as thorough with your explanations as I was with mine or else you might well be suffering from a slight case of double standards and/or “sheepherdism”.

Sucker Punch was well worth 3.5 Stars out of 5, for my tastes.
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Shaman
Shaman - 12/5/2011, 10:38 AM
Man... it sure has been a while ;)
BackwardGalaxy
BackwardGalaxy - 12/5/2011, 10:42 AM
Are you going to revisit Tintin next?
spiderneil
spiderneil - 12/5/2011, 10:42 AM
Easily one of the worst movies ever made.
ThaMessenger07
ThaMessenger07 - 12/5/2011, 10:48 AM
lol @ Backward.....I get it


The movie was good and it's meaning was deep and sad....Probably will see it again...one day
superguy5678
superguy5678 - 12/5/2011, 10:49 AM
6th
ecksmanfan
ecksmanfan - 12/5/2011, 10:55 AM
It was a 2 hour music video. Graphics were stunning, music was cool, the story blew.

@Shaman- Welcome back buddy!
shadearts
shadearts - 12/5/2011, 10:56 AM
The only reason people didn't like it was because of the ending people seem to hate there main character go out like that I personally thought it was ok not every story has this awesome everyones happy ending
krooklyndodger
krooklyndodger - 12/5/2011, 11:00 AM
Apparently spiderneil isn't very bright. Despite how poorly it did in the box office, I really dug the story and how it was layered. Not to mention, visually it was stunning.
Shaman
Shaman - 12/5/2011, 11:03 AM
Nomis- To me, it seemed like it was a comic book brought to life. Was the egg based on the chicken or vice versa? :P

BackwardGalaxy- Tintin doesn't have enough tits in it.
MarkCassidy
MarkCassidy - 12/5/2011, 11:03 AM
Great review but I'm sorry to say I still haven't watched all of this..so it couldn't have held my interest enough. I will though..at some point
PaulRom
PaulRom - 12/5/2011, 11:03 AM
Never got around to seeing it, heard too many bad things about it to bother watching it. Good review though.
Shaman
Shaman - 12/5/2011, 11:06 AM
shadearts- Great point!

BaneKill77- Never said it was bad, i said it was deranged. Are you saying it wasn't?
CrookedJaw
CrookedJaw - 12/5/2011, 11:06 AM
It wasn't that deep...It wasn't hard to follow at all. I didn't like the movie because the graphics looked fake to me, the acting was just God awful. And the fighting was too staged for me. And like I said earlier...it wasn't deep, it was kind of boring
Shaman
Shaman - 12/5/2011, 11:08 AM
Ror- Well... it might be an acquired taste LOL ;)

PaulRom- I'd say it's definitely worth watching once, just to make your own opinion about it. But... i guess some people said the same about Green Lantern. :S

ecksmanfan- THANKS buddy! :))
preacher
preacher - 12/5/2011, 11:08 AM
@Nomis-no, it wasn't based on a comic at all, a completely original storyline. I for one, and keep in mind this is MY opinion, LOVED it and took it for it was, a great popcorn flick. Didn't take a lot of thought to enjoy it, was a visual feast for the eyes AND ears and the ending made perfect sense for the story. All of these Zack Snyder haters...the guy can make one hell of a visually entertaining film!!! I even loved that Owl movie!
HeyVanity
HeyVanity - 12/5/2011, 11:11 AM
I must agree with you Shaman. People have definitely been overly critical of this movie. It's no masterpiece, but it wasn't bad either. I won't even start on feminists, lol...

Gotta say though, I loved Inception from the beginning. It's not as deep as some make it out to be, but it's a damn good story with some of the most beautiful cinematography I've seen.
Shaman
Shaman - 12/5/2011, 11:16 AM
preacher- 100% wichoo on that!

HeyVanity- True, Inception was way better than the first impression it gave me. But that had to be because i was pratically promissed the second coming of Christ with that movie. Once you bring it down from it's pedestal, it's a lovely film :)
mcskunky
mcskunky - 12/5/2011, 11:16 AM
I watched the movie in cinema and the visuals and music were awesome, but felt the story just didnt work well enough for me. When I watched the extended cut, it was like watching a different film. The extended fight scenes were awesome, and why the scene with high roller was cut out by censors is the biggest mind funk of all
Shaman
Shaman - 12/5/2011, 11:21 AM
BaneKill77- I used "deranged" on account of the gratuitous violence and especially the rape scenes, which Sucker Punch didn't have. That's why i used that word since a lot of people say the movie was degrading or that it didn't make much sense. Well it's a fact that A Clockwork Orange is much more deranged than Sucker Punch will ever be. Whether you enjoy deranged films or not is entirely on you. I'm not going to tell you you're wrong for that. But i will tell you you're wrong if you praise ACO in one sentence and then say Sucker Punch was degrading and weird. I mean, let's call a chicken a chicken.
HeyVanity
HeyVanity - 12/5/2011, 11:23 AM
@Shaman- Well, that makes sense. I did the same thing with Iron Man 2. Still kind of hate it, lol. I actually went to Inception without knowing a damn thing about it, so I think I benefited from that.
arekusandora
arekusandora - 12/5/2011, 11:24 AM
Movie was too dumb. Some visuals were nice, but felt to out fake to be immerse in them.
Shaman
Shaman - 12/5/2011, 11:24 AM
McSkunky- Yeah, i don't get why either.

Darkclaw0- I'd love to know how. Is it because Baby Doll didn't access her fifth level of dreaming? Is it because it didn't have a spinning top at the end that kept on spinning before the scene cut?
Shaman
Shaman - 12/5/2011, 11:28 AM
MrEko- Fair points, mate :) I'm wondering if this film might pull off a Daredevil... What if the director's cut made it way better. McSkunky seems to think so and since it was the case for DD, you never know i guess.

arekusandora- I'm sorry to hear that you thought it was dumb.
Shaman
Shaman - 12/5/2011, 11:28 AM
grayfox117- Huzzah!!!
Ranger14
Ranger14 - 12/5/2011, 11:32 AM
All I know is I attempted to watch it three times and fell asleep each time. Usually I only give a movie one go, so I did my best to give the movie a chance, but if I can't stay awake watching it, even with the visuals and action story, it means the movie was pretty pathetic overall.
Shaman
Shaman - 12/5/2011, 11:40 AM
Ranger- If that movie put you to sleep three times... wow. LOL I mean, at least you gave it three shots, can't blame you for trying ;)

MrEko- Check this feminist uproar out:



mainstream05
mainstream05 - 12/5/2011, 11:52 AM
That you don't understand the underlying themes Inception had or the reason feminists were in uproar in the film (hint: it has nothing to do with nudity) tells me one thing:

I'd like to be you so that I can enjoy this film as much as you did (even taking into account you only gave it a 3.5 out of 5). Ignorance is a condescending word, but there's clearly a lack of knowledge that's inherently required to ignore some of this film's biggest faults.
mainstream05
mainstream05 - 12/5/2011, 11:52 AM
That you don't understand the underlying themes Inception had or the reason feminists were in uproar in the film (hint: it has nothing to do with nudity) tells me one thing:

I'd like to be you so that I can enjoy this film as much as you did (even taking into account you only gave it a 3.5 out of 5). Ignorance is a condescending word, but there's clearly a lack of knowledge that's inherently required to ignore some of this film's biggest fault.
SpiderBat209
SpiderBat209 - 12/5/2011, 11:55 AM
That Feminist has a perty mouff. :D
marvel72
marvel72 - 12/5/2011, 12:06 PM
it was alright but i expected more,maybe i should re-watch it.
breakUbatman
breakUbatman - 12/5/2011, 12:18 PM
I actually finished watching this movie (extended cut) today. Personally it and Green Lantern fall into the same category for me - Bland.

I was more excited to return to the actual acted/burleqsue scenes than the action/fantasy. The only sequence I found enjoyable was the train full of robots.

While comparisons can be made with Inception I feel that inception handled it's premise nicely and was a well made film, same can be said for the Matrix.

Sucker punch takes place in the seconds before Babydoll's lobotomy so you know everything is a fantasy, the line between what's real and imagined is never blurred. As such the characters never seemed to be in danger on their missions, and the missions themselves were just random set pieces that looked and felt like video games. Maybe they should of had a continuous narrative or something?

What annoyed me the most was the music (WTF?), it just didn't seem to flow with the action. Though I must say Baby Doll had some futuristic fantasies for the 60's and you'd think working in a brothel she'd choose more appropriate clothing for her other fantasy self and friends
BRandom
BRandom - 12/5/2011, 12:24 PM
Its a great movie to watch if youre just wanting eye candy...
Shaman
Shaman - 12/5/2011, 12:31 PM
Nomis- That's what i did.

mainstream05- Why don't you enlighten us all because i can't find one unfeminist being that was able to find a single degrading thing about this film, including my girlfriend. And no, she doesn't have a penis. You do realise that the film illustrated a period piece, right? And i hope you do realise that history hasn't always been kind to women, especially the ones sent to asylums or the ones forced to work in brothels & cabarets. The movie wasn't degrading anymore than history itself has been. And like i clearly stated, i'm not about to ignore history just because some extremists get offended by it. Did the film showcase a degrading part of history? Yes. Was the movie in itself degrading? No.

And i definitely did understand the underlying themes Inception had, i just thought it wasn't worth the hype it was getting. That you fail to grasp the similarities between both films' concepts or the reason why Sucker Punch simply isn't degrading in itself tells me one thing:

I'm sure glad i'm not you so that i can allow myself to enjoy life in general and not choose to be insulted by the most insignificant things life has to offer such as movies. Inception chose to have it's experts be MALE and have one female in need of their leadership/tutelage/guidance while the other one was merely a shallow void of a victim, nothing more. So i can either choose to view it as a brilliant story or a steaming pile of sexist shit. Hypocrisy is a condescending word, but there's clearly a lack of acknowledgement inherently required to ignore some of your own biggest faults.
Dedpool
Dedpool - 12/5/2011, 12:36 PM
I personally enjoyed it, and if you get passed all the criticism it actually has alot of depth to it. I wouldn't have touted as the empowering film for females as most seemed to think it was supposed to be, but Shaman makes a VERY GOOD point, the film and it's story is all about perception. If anything to me it was about being able to look at the most horrible situations in a new light so that you can survive.
Shaman
Shaman - 12/5/2011, 12:36 PM
breakUbatman- Brilliant comment! I totally agree with the comparisons that can be made with The Matrix as well! For me though, her futuristic visions weren't any weirder than sci-fi itself. People imagined flying cars in those days after all ;) I'll give you the weird fact that she was pretty much on the money with her details though. And yeah, the music might not have been the best part but i was expecting it after having watched Watchmen. Snyder digs that, i'm not a fan of it, but it didn't ruin it for me.
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