Adam Driver Confirms That Kylo Ren's STAR WARS: THE RISE OF SKYWALKER Redemption Wasn't Always Planned

Adam Driver Confirms That Kylo Ren's STAR WARS: THE RISE OF SKYWALKER Redemption Wasn't Always Planned

Though this may not come as a massive surprise, Adam Driver has confirmed that Kylo Ren's Ben Solo redemption arc in Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker wasn't part of the original plan for the character.

By MarkCassidy - Dec 13, 2023 08:12 AM EST
Filed Under: Star Wars
Source: Via SFF Gazette

After the final part of the Star Wars sequel trilogy, The Rise of Skywalker, came out, it seemed clear that some changes must have been made to the overarching plot since the original premise was laid out in The Force Awakens.

Though nothing was ever really confirmed, it was generally felt that Rian Johnson must have decided to take things in a very different direction when he signed on to helm the second film, The Last Jedi, and when J.J. Abrams returned to direct Rise, he was left with no choice but to continue his own arc as best he could while also seeing the ideas that were introduced in the previous film through.

Now, it's come to light that one divisive character arc was indeed altered significantly.

During a new interview, Adam Driver admitted that Kylo Ren wasn't originally going to find redemption (he betrays the Emperor and reverts back to Ben Solo before sharing a kiss with Rey in The Rise of Skywalker), and was actually going to become more committed to the dark side of The Force as the story progressed.

"I had an overall arc in mind that he wanted to do, which then changed," Driver said. "His [Abrams] idea was almost the opposite journey of Vader, where Vader starts the most confident, the most committed to the Dark Side, and by the last movie he's the most vulnerable, and weak, and he wanted to start at the opposite, where this character was the most confused and vulnerable, and by the end of the three movies would be most committed to the Dark Side."

Ren's redemption was signposted in The Last Jedi when he formed a connection with Rey (the introduction of the Force Dyad), and did (arguably) make at least a certain amount of sense since the character started out as the heroic son of Han Solo and Leia Organa before being corrupted.

Even so, his fate did feel a bit "Vader 2.0," and seeing a ruthless, irredeemably evil Kylo Ren unleashed in the final movie may have been a better way to go.

What do you think? Check out the video in the player below, and drop us a comment in the usual place.

"When it's discovered that the evil Emperor Palpatine did not die at the hands of Darth Vader, the rebels must race against the clock to find out his whereabouts. Finn and Poe lead the Resistance to put a stop to the First Order's plans to form a new Empire, while Rey anticipates her inevitable confrontation with Kylo Ren."

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Batmangina
Batmangina - 12/13/2023, 8:33 AM
Let me be FIRST to say IDGAF
WhatIfRickJames
WhatIfRickJames - 12/13/2023, 8:34 AM
Well they had to copy Vader's arc, didn't they
Nomis929
Nomis929 - 12/13/2023, 8:37 AM
TheyDont
TheyDont - 12/13/2023, 8:37 AM
Nothing was planned with that shit. Imagine destroying the most popular franchise in the world.
The1st
The1st - 12/13/2023, 1:11 PM
@TheyDont - Exactly. One of the things that should be a given is a finished script and some overarching narrative give how trilogies and the like are now mandated, unless it's something like Trek which I wouldn't expect the individuals to connect just the overall development.
Repian
Repian - 12/13/2023, 8:41 AM
Kylo Ren should have been the "Supreme Ren" after Snoke's death. The big bad of the new trilogy. No Palpatine.
Timerider
Timerider - 12/13/2023, 8:46 AM
@Repian - agreed. He should have faced his cousin Rey, as Rey would have been Luke and Mara Jade’s daughter.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 12/13/2023, 8:47 AM
@Repian - that’s how it was gonna be with Trevorrow’s Duel of The Fates.
HashTagSwagg
HashTagSwagg - 12/13/2023, 9:02 AM
@Repian - The problem with that is even though he was trained, he lost to an untrained nobody in their first film, then he was promised to receive further training which could have added some much needed threat to the guy, unfortunately his so called further training was just being humiliated and shamed for losing to a girl who gets the better of him again during the second film. By the time you get the the third film he's already lost to this person twice and hasn't secured a single win beyond making her fall asleep that one time. It's the finally film so you already know that anything he gains he's gonna lose by the end of it.
The1st
The1st - 12/13/2023, 1:13 PM
@Repian - They took Jacen and, well did nothing, except give him green hair. I guess thatwhat the call an Easter egg in da business now.
GameOn
GameOn - 12/13/2023, 10:53 PM
@Repian - I agree, that’s one reason I love The Last Jedi. When Kylo kills Snoke and it seems like he flips to the light when he kills the guards with Rey then he instead went super dark and wanted to be the supreme ruler, I loved that direction. Was hoping for more of that.
santoanderson
santoanderson - 12/13/2023, 8:41 AM
Disney’s handling of the sequel trilogy will go down as one of the biggest corporate bungles in movie history. The first movie was okay; they played it super safe, and basically remade A New Hope. The Last Jedi… wasn’t perfect, but I admire the guts behind many of its creative decisions. Love him or hate him, Rian Johnson came in and said “Whatever fans are expecting me to do, I’m doing the opposite.” I respect it. But The Rise of Skywalker… so much of that movie was just “Hey! All the ballsy stuff we did in the last one? Didn’t count! The idea that The Force is in everyone, and not exclusive to families and bloodlines? [frick] it. Rey’s a Palpatine now.”

The Rise of Skywalker is so bad, it’s insulting.
Slotherin
Slotherin - 12/13/2023, 9:00 AM
@santoanderson - gotta say I agree.
Last Jedi at least was trying to go somewhere (while it absolutely stammered on the casino planet) and the subversion of expectations actually blended well with everything we learned in the prequels about the fall of the Jedi.

DevilsDreams
DevilsDreams - 12/13/2023, 9:13 AM
@santoanderson - My biggest issue with Rian isn't that he took risks, it was that, as Sam Witwer put it "Last Jedi, to me, felt like a movie made by a guy who hadn't quite done his homework. I think Rian Johnson's a talented guy, but Bruce Lee didn't develop Jeet Kune Do without learning Kung Fu first. You can't reinvent Star Wars without knowing Star Wars first."

Taking risks is absolutely fine, but not at the expense of the story, the characters... The way Admiral Ackbar was killed was frankly disgraceful! A beloved character that just died in a second with zero recognition... Personally, I would have had him injured but alive enough to take control of the ship instead of Admiral Holdo, therefore allowing the character to make a heroic sacrifice for the others, it would also have left Holdo and Poe as prospective leaders of the Resistance, allowing them to bounch off of each other to be better leaders (you know... that thing known as character development...)
Elle79
Elle79 - 12/13/2023, 9:59 AM
@santoanderson - "“Whatever fans are expecting me to do, I’m doing the opposite.” I respect it."

I don't. In fact, I can't think of anything lazier for a filmmaker to do, especially the way that Johnson did it. And it's clear that he didn't understand the characters at all, especially Luke.
The1st
The1st - 12/13/2023, 1:17 PM
@Slotherin - I didn't mind TLJ as much as some other than how Rey was handled regarding her lineage. Also the Snoke thing, but more to do with the fallout in ROS. They took a Nomi Sunrider type and made her into what some would call a Mary Sue. These companies always what the money but seemingly mandate half assing it.
Slotherin
Slotherin - 12/13/2023, 6:02 PM
@The1st - what do you mean about a Nomi Sunrider turned Mary Sue?
Slotherin
Slotherin - 12/13/2023, 6:04 PM
@DevilsDreams - what does that mean though about not having done the homework? I mean in context of TLJ
Slotherin
Slotherin - 12/13/2023, 6:05 PM
@Elle79 - what makes you say he didn't understand the characters? Especially Luke.
DevilsDreams
DevilsDreams - 12/14/2023, 4:17 AM
@Slotherin - It's in terms of the overall theme of Star Wars, what it's about and what the characters are about. Some of what he did is relatively compelling from a filmmakers point of view, but the story itself didn't seem in step with what had been established in the existing lore.
Luke's character for instance, was just so far removed from what people would expect, to the point that even Mark Hamill appeared to take some issue with Luke's portrayal.
The1st
The1st - 12/14/2023, 5:28 PM
@Slotherin - The only one I remember having force talent like her was Nomi from Legends...she actually was trained though, although in a much older order.
Slotherin
Slotherin - 12/14/2023, 10:26 PM
@The1st - how did TLJ make her anymore a Mary Sue?
Slotherin
Slotherin - 12/14/2023, 10:44 PM
@DevilsDreams - as of Empire the films have often dealt with characters struggling with the dark side of the Force and being twisted by things like fear.
Return of the Jedi plays with Luke teetering on the edge of the dark side before Vader's sacrifice.

I'm not sure what people expected of Luke but what we got made enough sense to me.
DevilsDreams
DevilsDreams - 12/15/2023, 4:08 AM
@Slotherin - Fair enough that you do.
Personally, struggling with the dark side is fine, but it just seemed such a departure from how we thought Luke would act... I mean, struggling with the knowledge that Ben Solo had a potential for great anger and falling to the dark side, yeah that should be a struggle to deal with, going so far as to be stood over his bed while he sleeps with an ignited lightsaber... that feels beyond a struggle and a very big escalation, although yes we don't get to see the intermediate events, so there could have been talks or something else between, but we can only judge on what's on the screen until (or if) they fill in the gaps later.

Maybe I was spoilt by the old EU, where Luke and the others were very fleshed out characters with years worth of building and character development, so I get that it is hard for a 2 hour film to live up to that, but still.

DevilsDreams
DevilsDreams - 12/15/2023, 4:28 AM
@Slotherin - Her seeming inherent ability to just be good at anything...

So fighting in the settlement... would make some sense, she's survived for years and would have had to learn to defend herself. Ok. But then fighting with a lightsaber that she's never used before and beating someone who has trained for years? comes across as a bit of a push, even if we consider that Ren was toying with her initially, as he had with Finn.

Her ability to fly the Falcon so expertly... a bit of a stretch... maybe I've missed or forgotten a throw away line? I mean trying to repair the Falcon, I can get, she's been stripping down ships for years, so would have mechanical knowledge to draw from, but I'm sure she's said or alluded to having never left the planet, so how did she become such an ace pilot? Luke at least spoke about flying his T15 on Tattooine.
Slotherin
Slotherin - 12/15/2023, 7:51 AM
@DevilsDreams - she absolutely had Mary Sue traits going on.
My critique there was that none of them were on TLJ for bringing in and had everything to do with Force Awakens. TLJ even hangs a lampshade on the forest fight with Snoke roasting Ren for being bested by someone who has never wielded a lightsaber.
Slotherin
Slotherin - 12/15/2023, 7:59 AM
@DevilsDreams - it makes more sense when you consider Snoke was actively manipulating the Force to mess with things.
As was shown with Anakin and many others Jedi aren't immune to fear and manipulation.


I can definitely see it being especially jarring when the EU stuff gave so much for fans who wanted to see what happens next.
DevilsDreams
DevilsDreams - 12/15/2023, 8:23 AM
@Slotherin - Ah sorry, my mistake there, I somehow missed it being specifically about TLJ, sorry about that 😅
The1st
The1st - 12/15/2023, 12:55 PM
@Slotherin - Not sure what asking, or why?
Slotherin
Slotherin - 12/15/2023, 1:33 PM
@The1st - I think I misinterpreted your comment as implying that TLJ had made Rey a Mary Sue.
The1st
The1st - 12/15/2023, 3:52 PM
@Slotherin - No worries. I just want things to improve post ROS...it was a hard watch
Slotherin
Slotherin - 12/15/2023, 8:51 PM
@The1st - I feel that.
Timerider
Timerider - 12/13/2023, 8:43 AM
I would have had Luke go back to the base with Rey and see Leia, but then from the shadows, Mara Jade steps out. We eventually learn that Rey is Luke Skywalker’s daughter and Mara Jade’s. Which would explain her powers being so strong with the force. What happened to Rey was she was kidnapped and believed to be dead because of an explosion. Luke and Mara couldn’t sense her anymore.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 12/13/2023, 8:46 AM
Wasn’t that how Trevorrow’s “Duel of Fates” arc for Kylo was going to?.

I feel like I remember reading that Rey had given up on him after TLJ but Leia and maybe even Luke had some hope left but he would continue to to sink further into the Dark Side and be beyond redemption by the end which could have been more interesting imo.

However , I thought Ben’s redemption arc was actually done well in the mediocrity that is TROS with his scene with his father being the best part of the film.

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I do wonder why JJ would change the arc though if it was his idea?.

Maybe it was interference from Kennedy or another higher up.
PC04
PC04 - 12/13/2023, 8:59 AM
@TheVisionary25 - It was definitely cool to see Han show back up. The problem with this scene is that Han isn't a force ghost (at least I don't think so) so it's just Ben hallucinating that his Father forgives him? It isn't real so what was the point? What do you think?
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 12/13/2023, 9:18 AM
@PC04 - I get what you mean but I saw this video from a therapist who said that this is technique that some use

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It worked for me from an emotional standpoint though since I feel Han would say those things too.
PC04
PC04 - 12/13/2023, 9:50 AM
@TheVisionary25 - That's very interesting. Thanks for sharing this.
eagc1995
eagc1995 - 12/13/2023, 1:02 PM
@TheVisionary25 - I do think the change of plan was reactionary, as it feels alot that happened in this movie was a reaction to stuff fan said from previous movies.
GhostDog
GhostDog - 12/13/2023, 8:46 AM
They fell to the whims of the Tumblr fandom
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