LOGAN Director James Mangold Says His STAR WARS Movie Won't Be "Handcuffed By So Much [Immovable] Lore"

LOGAN Director James Mangold Says His STAR WARS Movie Won't Be "Handcuffed By So Much [Immovable] Lore"

James Mangold remains hard at work on a Star Wars movie set 25,000 years in the past and, in a new interview, the filmmaker explains how that's freed him from lore and fan expectations. Check it out...

By JoshWilding - Jan 07, 2025 02:01 PM EST
Filed Under: Star Wars
Source: MovieWeb (via SFFGazette.com)

In April 2023, Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny and Logan director James Mangold hit the stage at Star Wars Celebration in London and revealed his plans to head into a Galaxy Far, Far Away for a story about the First Jedi. 

While it's been revealed that this untitled Star Wars movie - typically referred to as "Dawn of the Jedi" - will be set roughly 25,000 years before the events of The Phantom Menace, few updates have been shared since. That's likely because it's had to compete with both A Complete Unknown and Swamp Thing for the filmmaker's attention. 

Doing the rounds to promote his Bob Dylan biopic, Mangold told MovieWeb, "To me, the really important aspects are the freedom to make something new. Beau Willimon and I, in relation to Star Wars, have been working on a script, and we'll see what happens. Do we find a way on the page to say something original?"

That is a major challenge with a franchise like this and it's something many feel Mangold failed to achieve with the final Indiana Jones movie. 

However, a big part of what sets his Star Wars story apart from others is when it's set. "The Star Wars movie would be taking place 25,000 years before any known Star Wars movies takes place," he explained. "It's an area and a playground that I've always [wanted to explore] and that I was inspired by as a teenager."

"I'm not that interested in being handcuffed by so much lore at this point that it's almost immovable, and you can't please anybody," he added, suggesting his plan is to avoid being tied to the wider franchise. 

Mangold isn't wrong here but if he fumbles the ball and delivers an origin story for the Jedi that doesn't sit well with fans, he might still face risk facing their wrath. Fortunately for him, this setting will likely be so different that it will be tricky to find much to complain about.

Whether Star Wars is still, well, Star Wars without those familiar locations and characters is hotly debated, particularly after The Acolyte - which took place hundreds of years before The Phantom Menace - struggled to strike a chord with viewers on Disney+. Does this origin story run the risk of being too different? Time will tell. 

Last summer, Rogue One: A Star Wars Story and The Acolyte producer Simon Emanuel potentially revealed a new title for a movie we've been referring to as Dawn of the Jedi

"James Mangold's Jedi Prime is set thousands and thousands of years before [the original trilogy]," he said, "and I'm really excited to see what happens there."

Not only is Jedi Prime a pretty cool name, but it may have major implications for the movie itself. The Prime Jedi first appeared in the form of a mosaic in 2017's Star Wars: The Last Jedi. The image was created by concept artist Seth Engstrom and inspired by the Taoist iconography of yin and yang, the balance between dualities. 

All we know is that the Prime Jedi was the first Jedi to use the Force and founded the Jedi Order on Ahch-To. This is the character Mangold will focus on and is someone Lucasfilm has seemingly wanted to reveal more about for a while now.

Star Wars: Dawn of the Jedi doesn't have a confirmed release date, though we don't anticipate seeing it in theaters until 2027 or 2028 at the earliest.

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Lisa89
Lisa89 - 1/7/2025, 2:12 PM
I can't wait to see who Boyd Holbrook plays in this Star Wars film.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 1/7/2025, 2:18 PM
@Lisa89 - lol

Honestly I would be down for it but I see him as moreso a rogue then a Jedi
MartianManHuntr
MartianManHuntr - 1/7/2025, 2:22 PM
@Lisa89 - My guess, probably someone in Empire.
Clintthahamster
Clintthahamster - 1/7/2025, 3:47 PM
@MartianManHuntr - Probably not, since this'll be tens of thousands of years before the events of the Prequel Trilogy. But if I know one thing about Star Wars, there will be rogues.
MartianManHuntr
MartianManHuntr - 1/7/2025, 4:15 PM
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Clintthahamster
Clintthahamster - 1/7/2025, 7:09 PM
@MartianManHuntr - "Somehow Palpatine was there, too."
DrDReturns
DrDReturns - 1/7/2025, 2:13 PM
Another one of these?! Now with this guy?!

Just turn the page on SW already...
Clintthahamster
Clintthahamster - 1/7/2025, 3:49 PM
@DrDReturns - I'd say 'You can just not watch it' but then I think of the shit I say anytime someone brings up season 83 of the Simpsons.
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DrDReturns
DrDReturns - 1/7/2025, 4:26 PM
@Clintthahamster - You're right, though. I don't watch and will not.

I shouldn't let that get in the way of everyone else. It just surprises me that SW is still going.
Clintthahamster
Clintthahamster - 1/7/2025, 7:14 PM
@DrDReturns - I'm enjoying the glut of Star Wars these days, but I look at them in the same way I do comic book movies: Adaptations based on stuff I enjoyed as a kid. The OT (and especially Star Wars and Empire) were foundational works for me growing up, and nothing will ever hold a candle to them, so it's fine when a show falls a little short of the mark, because I've still got the Star Wars that matters to me (you know, after LEGALLY DOWNLOADING the despecialized editions. 😉)
DrDReturns
DrDReturns - 1/7/2025, 8:23 PM
@Clintthahamster - That's a healthy way to look at it, if I can say so :-)
"and nothing will ever hold a candle to them" And nothing can take away from what already exists (thankful for physical media)!

Yup! I grew up seeing the original trilogy maybe twice, but even I know the theatrical releases are superior. I always respected Star Wars for its accomplishments in film technology, but I am not a true fan.

mountainman
mountainman - 1/7/2025, 2:14 PM
I would argue that if you are making the origins of a beloved franchise, you have far more expectations on you than anybody else.
Shivermetimbers
Shivermetimbers - 1/7/2025, 2:40 PM
@mountainman - Thats what I was thinking. Really tough to have to tell an origin story unless there is already an accepted cannonical origin of the force somewhere in the lore that he is just adapting. But to create that for a movie is a risky move when it comes to being accepted by the fanbase.
mountainman
mountainman - 1/7/2025, 2:42 PM
@Shivermetimbers - Coming up with a good origin is tough. Doing it for an already established franchise even tougher. With Star Wars’ fickle fanbase, there is a large chance that this will piss off a lot of people no matter how it goes.
xfan320
xfan320 - 1/7/2025, 2:22 PM
Children of Mortis origin story

Clintthahamster
Clintthahamster - 1/7/2025, 3:49 PM
@xfan320 - I hope not, but probably.
krayzeman
krayzeman - 1/7/2025, 2:25 PM
Here's an idea: How about creating a story AFTER Rise of Skywalker so you wont have to be "bogged down by lore?" Isnt there more freedom in that instead of yet going back making yet another prequel that fills in stuff? Why cant this franchise move forward??
Clintthahamster
Clintthahamster - 1/7/2025, 3:50 PM
@krayzeman - They're doing that too, and everyone is also mad about that.
Mawat
Mawat - 1/8/2025, 9:29 AM
@krayzeman - How to fix Star Wars... opening crawl... "Now in a galaxy far far away..." that's it. Give it a totally different flavor, do away with rebellion/empire, update some tech, the force could be almost forgotten, or maybe EVERTONE has it now, force users could be the new authoritarian government or absolutely irrelevant, just a blank slate that could literally go anywhere and be anything... but with force users, smugglers, sassy capable heroine(s), morally gray good guys, morally gray bad guys, and as yet unknown hyperspace routes measured in *gasps* parsecs.
MartianManHuntr
MartianManHuntr - 1/7/2025, 2:27 PM
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Just wait and see darth plagueis make a cameo
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DrDReturns
DrDReturns - 1/7/2025, 8:24 PM
@MartianManHuntr - Don't know what this is, but it's right creepy. If that's Star Wars then they've definitely matured.
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 1/7/2025, 2:31 PM
Think Dawn of the Jedi is a better title and it's better suited for tv. Lucasfilm should off on movies imo, especially since they're getting none made that they announced.

Either way, I hope this isn't like Dune: Prophecy where the galaxy seems to be in the exact same place. Everything evolves per our own history, so it should happen in space too.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 1/7/2025, 2:33 PM
@bkmeijer1 - I agree about Dawn of The Jedi being a better title but don’t mind it remaining a movie since I doubt Mangold does a tv show

Right now the only movie is Mando & Grogu and depending on how that does do I see them pushing more movies or not out.
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 1/7/2025, 5:24 PM
@TheVisionary25 - true. Of all movies currently in development, Mangold's is one of four that I actually expect to see the light of day.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 1/7/2025, 2:36 PM
Honestly of all the announced SW films thus far , this is the one by far I am looking forward to the most!!.

I like Mangold but it’s the involvement of Beau Willimon that really intrigues me since he wrote the prison arc of Andor S1 which is arguably the peak of that show imo…

Plus it taking place in a completely unexplored time period (atleast to my knowledge) and bound from the shackles of anything familiar makes me excited so hopefully it does happen & we get to see it!!.
MG0019
MG0019 - 1/7/2025, 2:40 PM
After Dial of Destiny, keep this guy away.
Shivermetimbers
Shivermetimbers - 1/7/2025, 2:41 PM
@MG0019 - Dial wasnt THAT bad.
MartianManHuntr
MartianManHuntr - 1/7/2025, 3:27 PM
@Shivermetimbers - It is bad.

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Shivermetimbers
Shivermetimbers - 1/7/2025, 4:59 PM
@MartianManHuntr - It wasnt GOOD, but I enjoyed it up until it fell apart with the time travel at the end. To each their own though.
mrpaxx
mrpaxx - 1/8/2025, 11:03 AM
@MartianManHuntr - Lol at you being triggered by one line vaguely critical of capitalism.

FWIW, I agree the movie isn't very good. I do like Mangold otherwise though.
TheIronDuck
TheIronDuck - 1/7/2025, 2:46 PM
Going deep into the past doesn't free you from the lore. That's where the deepest Lore was born.

The Man should at least know if you go back that far they are called The Je'daii.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 1/7/2025, 2:57 PM
@TheIronDuck - he said that he doesn’t want to be handcuffed by TOO MUCH lore , not that he doesn’t want any lore at all.

Plus is that a current canon backstory or Legends?.
TheIronDuck
TheIronDuck - 1/7/2025, 3:42 PM
@TheVisionary25 - It's cannon in the same way The Old Republic is a cannon era but Kights of The Old Republic is not a Cannon game in spite of being the first appearance of many cannon concepts.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 1/7/2025, 3:43 PM
@TheIronDuck - so they can pick and choose it seems?

Hmmmm , we’ll see.
TheIronDuck
TheIronDuck - 1/7/2025, 4:00 PM
@TheVisionary25 - when they purged the Legends cannon they scrapped every thing post return of the Jedi but everything pre phantom Menace became schrodinger's cannon stuck in limbo until new stories dictate a confirmation or a contradiction. Another example would be The Rakata are cannon because they are mentioned within the dialogue of Andor but no details about the Rakata including their design are cannon... yet.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 1/7/2025, 4:22 PM
@TheIronDuck - yeah so they can pick & choose to use from that source or not.

Mangold might just try to do something new altogether or take some inspiration from that
OrgasmicPotatoe
OrgasmicPotatoe - 1/7/2025, 2:59 PM
Then tell your story in a universe where the lore doesn't get in the way, and don't just slap a Star Wars sticker on whatever you come up with.
TheIronDuck
TheIronDuck - 1/7/2025, 3:45 PM
@OrgasmicPotatoe - You want James Mangold to make his own "Rebel Moon"?
OrgasmicPotatoe
OrgasmicPotatoe - 1/8/2025, 6:13 AM
@TheIronDuck - Yes. If the Star Wars lore gets too 'in the way' for his Star Wars movie, then he should forget about it and make his own thing.
Izaizaiza
Izaizaiza - 1/7/2025, 3:06 PM
This could be really special. Obsession with the lore, Skywalkers, and shoehorning in stupid cameos have hurt every film since the original trilogy. With Logan and dial of destiny under his belt, the dude has proven himself
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