Are Warner Bros Getting Closer To Losing The Rights To Superman?

Are Warner Bros Getting Closer To Losing The Rights To Superman?

A federal judge in LA has removed a barrier delaying a high-profile case between Warner Bros. and the families of Superman creators Joe Shuster and Jerry Siegel...

By JoshWilding - Nov 18, 2010 09:11 AM EST
Filed Under: Superman
Source: The Hollywood Reporter

Here are some excerpts from the report over at The Hollywood Reporter. While you may think it's a little early to say that they're getting closer to losing the rights, the very fact that this trial is moving ahead bring us closer to the day when the courts decide who exactly should hold the rights to the Man of Steel. A decision which may change Superman forever.



As we reported last month, the judge overseeing the high-profile Superman case delayed the matter indefinitely as lawyers for Warner Bros.' DC Comics and the heirs of Shuster and Siegel awaited an appeal of a procedural ruling that could have taken many months.

Warners challenged that ruling, and now U.S. District Judge Otis D. Wright has modified the order, allowing the studio to restart its information-gathering and "proceed with full discovery of heirs Joanne Siegel, Laura Siegel Larson, Jean Peavy and Mark Peavy."

Now, as Warners fast-tracks its planned Christopher Nolan-produced, Zack Snyder-directed Superman reboot, Toberoff is fighting back agressively against that lawsuit, filing a host of motions attempting to have the case dismissed and Warners punished for targeting him personally. Now, thanks to this ruling, Warners will soon have its chance to ask questions of Toberoff's clients.


A judge has previously warned the studio that they could lose some of its key copyrights which would include not only TV shows like Smallville but also the upcoming reboot from Zack Snyder. For now, Warner Bros. is moving forward as if the licenses will remain in place, and have fast-tracked another Superman movie. However, it will eventually be up to a judge on whether that movie will see the light of day in a theater.




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Angelus
Angelus - 11/18/2010, 9:53 AM
I hope not!

BMP!
Superman8
Superman8 - 11/18/2010, 9:59 AM
let me know when something important actually happens.

this has been 'happening' for yeas, and nothing ever happens.

im not gonna get worried until something changes.
StrangerX
StrangerX - 11/18/2010, 10:09 AM
Sad Sad news. I doubt it will stop the movie though
TheNameIsBetty
TheNameIsBetty - 11/18/2010, 10:13 AM
Oh...my...god...why do they want the rights for Superman so bad?

Aren't they already rich?
deathoncredit
deathoncredit - 11/18/2010, 10:22 AM
This is RIDICULOUS. Superman is a part of our cultural consciousness, and he is far bigger than his creators. Once something you create becomes that gigantic, that phenomenal, it ceases to be yours, and you should be proud that something you made has had such an impact on so many people. Furthermore, the people in this lawsuit had absolutely nothing to do with the creation of Superman anyways. They're already rich, why do they want the rights?
Shaman
Shaman - 11/18/2010, 10:24 AM
All i hope is that Snyder will have enough time AND be allowed to give us the Superman we've always wanted before it all hits the fan. I'd hate for this to rush WB in making the movie YESTERDAY instead of as planned with Snyder, and get the next available director no matter how worthless he is. Like Goyer.
LEEE777
LEEE777 - 11/18/2010, 10:50 AM
DOOMSDAY MOVIE ALREADY!!!

MASTERPIECE!


:)
maniaonline
maniaonline - 11/18/2010, 11:02 AM
It would be completely insane if Warner Lost the rights to Superman and Disney bought him. I actually would love to see that.
deathoncredit
deathoncredit - 11/18/2010, 11:11 AM
@Shadow, all right, then they deserve a BIG paycheck, but not the rights.

I hate to come out on WB/DC's side, because they ARE very very rich, and they will remain very very rich whether they get to keep the rights to Superman or not. To me, it's not really about them, it's about US. Nobody would have a dime in relation to Superman if it weren't for the fans. We put billions of dollars into the franchise, and as such WE deserve to have Superman in a place where he will be best kept. And it looks like that place is at Warner's and DC, where they can continue giving us Superman stories to enjoy, and where he can remain part of the Justice League and the vast DC universe. At the end of the day, Superman doesn't belong to his creators, nor does he belong to WB/DC, he belongs to us. We have invested in him, we have made him what he is today, and we have the most to lose if the rights to Superman are taken from DC. And that just isn't fair.
Shaman
Shaman - 11/18/2010, 11:44 AM
deathoncredit- I agree with everything you said except one thing. Superman's niche could very nicely fit with Disney, superficially speaking. The Big Blue Boyscout does go hand in hand with the mouse and it's house. Personally speaking however, i don't see much of a difference between WB and Disney. Only that should the heirs win this, the obvious door to knock on would definitely be Disney's. Let's just say that they are not without options. But i really hope they lose.
AlexDeLarge87
AlexDeLarge87 - 11/18/2010, 11:50 AM
Just give them the money they want and keep the Superman the way it is! The heirs are idiots if they wont execept that deal!

God help us if they loose the rights! It could take years when we finally see Superman in the big screen again!
deathoncredit
deathoncredit - 11/18/2010, 11:51 AM
@Shadow, agreed, that would be the best case scenario.

@Shaman, Superman might fit in at Disney, but that's not where he belongs. He's an integral part of the DC universe, and both Superman and DC would be hurt by his removal from that universe. Superman going to Disney would be like New York becoming part of the UK.
wonderme
wonderme - 11/18/2010, 11:53 AM
Are you kidding this might be good ot bad but I hope that if they keep the rights they do a better job than they have been doing. If they lose the rights, I hope it goes to a good company, not disney or any thing like that. Because then it will be like a happy go luck movie.
LP4
LP4 - 11/18/2010, 11:54 AM
The Supes reboot is shaping up to br just the film we all waited for. If the greedy scumbag siegels ruin it- then they better be ready for a war with trillions of hatemail from fans worldwide!!
LP4
LP4 - 11/18/2010, 11:59 AM
Superman Returns would be a SAD film for the Superman franchise to go off on. Damn greedy siegel heirs
anathem
anathem - 11/18/2010, 12:00 PM
Can someone here "bottom line" key to this entire lawsuit? Is this about integrity of the brand? About legacy? Or is it about money?
crounsa810
crounsa810 - 11/18/2010, 12:46 PM
I'd love for Doomsday to come and beat the shit out of Toberoff.
Shaman
Shaman - 11/18/2010, 12:59 PM
deathoncredit- Good point ;)
Checkmate
Checkmate - 11/18/2010, 1:12 PM
They're just a bunch of spoiled brats that are going to throw a tantrum until they get it their way.
skullboy
skullboy - 11/18/2010, 1:18 PM
F--kin' Siegels and Shusters. Bet they're only doing this because they can. Not only could this ruin DC, but pop culture itself. They just don't care.
jimpeachey
jimpeachey - 11/18/2010, 1:56 PM
So Marvel/Disney should get the rights to Spidey, Xmen etc back but the creators of Superman shouldnt...............?
MrGreen
MrGreen - 11/18/2010, 2:39 PM
@ jimpeachey Definitely not analogous. What would be is Stan Lee's great great grandchildren getting the rights to Spiderman and taking them from Marvel. Plus those are just the movie rights that Marvel gave away.

If Superman was acquired by Disney, although it would be the wise business choice, it would be disrespectful to the character and the company that made him a legend. No doubt, there is exploitation of writers by the big companies over the years, but when it comes to the Siegels, Schusters, Kanes, and Lees, they have the money and some people with the same name who barely knew the creators should not be earning crazy money at this point.

I would lose respect for Marvel/Disney if they sandbagged DC like that, DC for letting the greatest hero in history slip away, and of course I am already pissed about the greedy families.

Considering the financial investment of this character there will likely be some kind of settlement.
Suzanne
Suzanne - 11/18/2010, 2:50 PM
This is why doing a reboot is stupid. They should continue with Brandon Routh then going out and trying to reboot this series again.
CarpesDiems
CarpesDiems - 11/18/2010, 3:10 PM
Look the brightside if warner loses the righs we wont have that abomination of show called smallville on air anymore fiuuuuu!!
XxBLACKMASKxX
XxBLACKMASKxX - 11/18/2010, 5:06 PM
If that happens i will never pick up another superman comic...ever. I know a large community won't either. Superman belongs in DC, LONG LIVE SUPES!!!!!!
scurvydog
scurvydog - 11/18/2010, 6:48 PM
Here's a scenario for you: Say the heirs get the rights to Superman again.This decision would set a legal precedent,and to that end,if I were Marvel.I'd be very nervous about the heirs of Jack Kirby using said decision to get the rights back to ALL the characters they created. To that end,what would stop the heirs of Stan Lee to do the same after he leaves this Earth? Think about THAT for a minute....
LP4
LP4 - 11/18/2010, 7:57 PM
@JoshW- Wait a sec...I posted an article with the same news BEFORE you. Check it out a few articles down. -_-

Orehrepus
Orehrepus - 11/18/2010, 9:24 PM
Might as well.
WB had the chance to make it right with Superman Returns.
And they blew it big time by hiring Singer!
So, perhaps we should bury Superman in peace.
It was good while it lasted.
You'll be remembered forever, man of steel.
Bryanferryfan
Bryanferryfan - 11/18/2010, 10:11 PM
Comic book fans are ignorant. The copyright is up after 75 years. The heirs have the legal right to claim any or all creations their deceased family member(s) had created. Warner/DC legally can make a new film provided it is actually completed before 2013. As a writer and artist who has worked legally registered with the Library of Congress I must stipulate in my will what my final intentions are in regards to the work I had copyrighted. If no provisions are made my work will become part of the Public Domain and can be used without my family's permission. I must stipulate who or what entity can re-new my copyright after I have passed on. Everyone who owns their art should have it copyrighted and have a will drawn up. It's just good sound business and also can sustain future generations. The Seigels and Shusters do have the right to take the character and do what they want with him. But few have failed to mention is the following: WHAT IF SOMEWHERE DOWN THE ROAD THE SEIGELS AND SHUSTERS HAVE A FALLING OUT OVER WHICH FAMILY REALLY OWNS THE CHARACTER OF SUPERMAN. OR.... WHAT IF ONE FAMILY WANTS DISNEY/MARVEL TO PRODUCE SUPERMAN COMICS AND MOVIES AND THE OTHER FAMILY WANTS LET'S SAY DARK HORSE TO PRODUCE THE COMICS AND UNIVERSAL TO PRODUCE THE FILM VERSION... THERE ARE MANY "WHAT IF'S" THAT CAN LAND IN LEGAL LIMBO FOR YEARS WHICH MIGHT CAUSE SUPERMAN TO REMAIN IN A STATE OF SUSPENDED ANIMATION FOR A DECADE OR MORE AFTER 2013. BY THAT I MEAN THERE WILL BE NO SUPERMAN COMICS,MERCHANDISE, FILMS OR TV SHOWS FOR MAYBE EVEN LONGER... A LOT OF YOUNGER FANS DON'T REALIZE THAT THIS HAPPENED BEFORE WITH SHAZAM/CAPTAIN MARVEL... FAWCETT COMICS CREATED HIM IN 1941 AND CAPTAIN MARVEL WAS OUTSELLING SUPERMAN WHICH DREW THE IRE OF DC WHO CLAIMED THAT CAPTAIN MARVEL WAS A RIP-OFF OF SUPERMAN... LITIGATION ENSUED FOR OVER A DECADE WHICH FORCED FAWCETT TO STOP ALL PUBLICATION OF THE CAPTAIN MARVEL CHARACTER FOR ALMOST TWENTY YEARS. THE YEARS OF LITIGATION BANKRUPTED FAWCETT... THEY HAD TO SELL OFF THEIR ASSETS... GUESS WHO BOUGHT THEM... YOU GOT IT... DC.... CAPTAIN MARVEL RESUMED PUBLICATION UNDER DC IN THE EARLY 70'S . BUT DURING THE LITIGATION PROCESS ... MARVEL COMICS INTRODUCED AND COPYRIGHTED THEIR OWN CAPTAIN MARVEL WHICH FORCED DC TO USE THE TITLE OF "SHAZAM" WHEN SELLING CAPTAIN MARVEL COMICS AND EVEN THE TV SHOW . DC ALSO DID THAT WITH SEVERAL OTHER CHARACTERS LIKE PLASTIC MAN AND A FEW OTHERS SO THERE COULD BE A POSSIBILITY THAT YOU WON'T SEE SUPERMAN FOR TWENTY OR MORE YEARS.
NubaX
NubaX - 11/18/2010, 10:43 PM
SuperMan has been soooooooooooooooooooooooo WEAK!

He NEEDS a Change!
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