In Appreciation of Jonathan Kent

In Appreciation of Jonathan Kent

The importance of the specific portrayal of Jonathan Kent in MOS.

Editorial Opinion
By seeether23 - Nov 23, 2013 05:11 PM EST
Filed Under: Superman

I was listening to Kevin Smith’s review of MOS on Hollywood Babble-On. His co-host was disgusted with how Jonathen Kent was portrayed, which I’ve seen echoed in chat boards. He made some great points about how something core to who Superman is was altered by MOS’s interpretation of Papa Kent. After watching the movie for a second time, I feel that view neglects what Johnathen Kent means to this reimagining of Superman.

The disgust I’m talking about is related to Jonathen Kent’s discouragement of Clark using his powers, even for the noblest of reasons. Part of the core of the Superman mythos is that he’s always gotten his morality and his need to help as many people as possible from his humble Smallville town upbringing. Consequently, Johnathan should’ve been pushing Clark to help people from day one, not telling him to keep his powers a secret. Furthermore, MOS seems to show Clark as getting his need to help people more from Jor-El than from Johnathen Kent, as it’s only when Clark learns of his Kryptonian heritage from the ghost program of Jor-El that he decides to become Superman. This has been interpreted as MOS dismissing the tradition of Superman’s value system originating from his Americana upbringing.

When I first heard this viewpoint it resonated with me, and when I nervously sat down for my second viewing, I was conscious of how it would impact my enjoyment. What I experienced instead was a pleasant surprise. I enjoyed the movie even more! I came to understand and appreciate what Johnathen Kent was really all about. I understood that his cautious guidance was paramount in shaping Clark into the Superman he becomes. One can only dread what kind of Superman would exist if Clark wasn’t raised by the Kents.

It is true that Jor-El reveals to Clark that his purpose is to become Superman, “an ideal for the people of Earth to strive for”. However, this doesn’t mean that Jor-El was more of an influence on the kind of Superman Clark decides to become than the Kents. In fact, that’s clearly inconsistent with the story.

Long before Clark meets Jor-El, he already has a fully developed moral code characterized by an overwhelming need to help people. It’s hard to imagine that this need wasn’t incited from his upbringing. There were just no scenes that explicitly conveyed that. That wasn’t the aspect of Superman that Goyer/Nolan/Snyder were exploring. Nolan stated very early on in the production of MOS that the theme of the movie was going to be about how the world would react if there were someone like Superman in it, and what that would mean for Superman. Jonathan Kent was a very important character for exploring that theme.

Jonathan knows that Clark’s existence is world changing, not only for the world, but for Clark. As a caring father would, he wants Clark to be prepared for the gravity of that realization. He states numerous times through the movie that when Clark is ready he will need to make a decision to either be a world changing force for good or not. It’s not that he doesn’t care if Clark decides to be good. It’s that he’s telling Clark that he needs to fully understand that choice, because only then will he be able to embrace the gravity of that commitment. He was sent to Earth for a reason, and Clark needs to find out what that reason is. Jonathan understands that it’s neither good for Clark or the rest of the world if Clark reveals himself before he fully understands why he should.

In this way, it misses the point to suggest that Clark doesn’t get his sense of morality from Jonathan. It was Jonathan more than anyone who guided Clark to becoming Superman. This is most powerfully conveyed in Clark’s final scene with his mother at Jonathan’s grave, where she assures Clark that Jonathan always knew Clark would become a force for good. That was the entire point of the flashback scene where Jonathan is admirably watching his child in a heroic pose with a red cape.

Jonathan knew he had a responsibility to carefully guide Clark to that point. Whether or not the filmmakers did a good job of translating that on screen is another issue. The point is that the intent wasn’t to change where Clark gets his value system. It was to show that becoming Superman in this age is more complicated than just being born with Superpowers and raised to be good. It would require a lot of self-assurance on top of those things. I missed that in my first viewing, but it definitely hit me in my second. As such, I think MOS is a great exploration of what Superman symbolizes to us as today. And let’s not forget that it had awesome action and that Faora chick was really evil sexy hot!

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sikwon
sikwon - 11/23/2013, 6:29 PM
Great job. People don't like this movie for no good reason. It was minimal in its dialog but it still got across key points. Jonathan stressed the game changing nature of who superman is and the maturity required to be that person. He then gave a LIFETIME of teaching that point emphasis by giving his life for Clark to understand the full gravity.
sikwon
sikwon - 11/23/2013, 6:30 PM
I feel like DC/WB have a good grasp of what they want to do. There are going to be misrakes but in terms of the character universe they want to build, I think they are clear.
seeether23
seeether23 - 11/23/2013, 6:54 PM
Definitely, and I think they are on the right track:)
JosephKing
JosephKing - 11/24/2013, 3:02 PM
You don't give a gun to your 16 years old son because he's supposedly a good person. Why the hell would Jonathan incite Clark to use his powers "to do good things" when the consequences could be disastrous?

Of course Jonathan is worried about Clark revealing himself too early, a super powered alien kid lost in the world is not a very reassuring idea.

But Jonathan NEVER stated in the movie that Clark should hide his powers forever. He's very clear about Clark revealing himself to humanity as a savior when he's ready, when he's sure about his place in the world. And that certainty will only happen when he finds out his alien heritage ("you owe to yourself to find out what that reason is"). Jonathan and Jor-El complement each other.

Really, it's all there expressed through actions and dialogue.
SauronsBANE
SauronsBANE - 11/25/2013, 11:36 AM
Instead of saying"I don't know...maybe" in response to Clark asking if he should've let those kids die, he should've said something along the lines of "*Sigh* of course not, but you have to be a little more discreet with your powers" or something along those lines.

Jonathan Kent has NEVER been a wishy-washy, morally ambiguous character. He's strong, he knows what's right and wrong, and he's one of Clark's biggest influences in becoming Superman.

The psycho, crazy father who actually condones the deaths of innocent kids that we get in MoS was one of the movie's biggest failures. The filmmakers TRIED to make him seem conflicted and deep, but it came across as insane. There's absolutely no justification for him, IMO
seeether23
seeether23 - 11/25/2013, 4:33 PM
@SauronsBANE1 I hear what you're saying. However, I think it's over hyperbolas to state that Jonathan was being INSANE for contemplating Clark not helping the kids on the bus. He's balancing the thought of his son getting taken away by Men in white coats vs kids he doesn't know. Parents are hardwired to care more for their children than strangers. It's a moral dilemma that is still discussed in academia today regarding ethics. He didn't say he shouldn't, but the "maybe" answer really hit the point home that it IS that difficult a decision. He could've been much sterner in that scene with Clark. I actually took his response less literally. Clark had already saved the kids, so the point of the "maybe" comment wasn't to say that Clark made the wrong choice. It was only to point out that Clark needs to give a lot of thought to those decisions. He was guiding him. It's too nuanced to say he was CLEARLY an insane jerk...
SauronsBANE
SauronsBANE - 11/25/2013, 5:26 PM
@seether23, I wasn't very clear what I meant about Pa Kent being insane, my mistake. Let me try to clarify.

The insanity with him comes when you compare him saying that he 'maybe shouldn't have saved those kids' with him constantly telling Clark that he has to decide one day 'what kind of man he wants to be, good or bad.'

Which is it? On one hand, he's telling Clark to stop saving people and hide his powers, in the next scene he's telling Clark that he has to decide whether he should be a good person or not, and use his powers to save people. These are two completely different things, and they make no sense when he tells Clark BOTH these things literally in back to back scenes.

IMO, the biggest problem is with his stubborn idea that the world isn't ready for Clark to reveal his powers. When WOULD the world ever be ready? Clark doesn't eventually reveal himself to the world because it's ready, it's because he literally has no choice but to do so. That completely negates the reasoning behind Pa Kent's unnecessary death. It makes the last 15 years of Clark's life, hiding and aimlessly roaming around, a massive waste of time. Just my two cents, though.
SauronsBANE
SauronsBANE - 11/25/2013, 5:32 PM
@AnnoDomini, But Jonathan Kent pretty much DOES imply that Clark has to be more discreet, although he never uses that word specifically. By telling Clark to hide his powers, isn't that telling him to be more discreet? What I'm trying to say is that he should've dropped the whole morally ambiguous, don't-know-right-from-wrong thing and come right out and tell Clark to be more discreet. None of this "Well I guess you should've let your classmates die" nonsense. He's supposed to be Clark's moral compass. He's supposed to be a huge influence on Clark, but all he does in the movie is needlessly hold his son back. His death was supposed to be this traumatic thing, but it was actually a good thing. It removed the ONE person telling Clark to not be Superman. I'm pretty sure that was not the filmmakers intention
SauronsBANE
SauronsBANE - 11/25/2013, 5:52 PM
And keep in mind, this is all coming from someone who initially LOVED the scene of Pa Kent's death after first seeing the movie. Not in a sadistic way haha, but it just felt so emotional and so deep. I was honestly on the verge of tears. Then when I had time to actually think about it, it just felt...off.

On the surface, it has the perfect tear-inducing music, the awesome visual of Pa Kent sternly raising his hand to stop his son from saving him, then him being swallowed by the tornado. Everything SEEMS great, but it makes little sense when you break down the scene and the motivations of the characters.

The problem is it's pretending to be much deeper and more profound than it really is. The filmmakers were so lazy about it and took cheap shortcuts in order to make it look good on the surface.
seeether23
seeether23 - 11/25/2013, 6:25 PM
@SauronsBane1 I guess my interpretation is that he Jonathan was never saying Clark shouldn't reveal himself and help one day. He was just saying that he shouldn't until he's mature enough to handle it. In that way there's no contradiction. I also don't think that saving kids on a bus and the entire planet are the same predicament... It was convenient that ZOD came right after Clark figured out what he was and what he should do haha. I'm not sure what Jonathan would've done if Zod came when Clark was still a kid. Maybe he would've encouraged him to hide until he was older too. I'm not sure if I would've blamed him for that either.
JosephKing
JosephKing - 11/25/2013, 7:19 PM
What Jonathan Kent meant:

"The point is not the children, the point is revealing yourself, Clark. You are not ready and the world is not ready, you have to be careful. If people finds out about you, there will be global panic, global panic leads to horrendous things, wars, deaths. That's dangerous and that's a heavy weight for you to carry, you're only a child, you're lost. As much as I love you and trust you, I will not put you in that position, you're only a boy, you could freak out and we all would lose. So I'm thankful that you saved those kids without exposing your secret to the world, but keep in mind that life is not easy and sometimes you'll have to make hard choices, choices that will change you, choices that will hurt. If saving those kids meant revealing yourself prematurely to the world, then maybe... maybe you should've let them die. I know it is awful, but awful choices are part of life. There's more in risk than our lives. Remember this. If someday you have to chose between me or the world, if you're not ready to reveal what you are... choose the world. That's bigger than me. And I know someday you'll be a great man, when you're ready, you will help people and you will change things. But not now."

What people understood:

"Kill every mother[frick]ing kid you see. Did you hear me? Infanticide is awesome! If kids are in danger, let them die. Those little brats..."
seeether23
seeether23 - 11/25/2013, 7:38 PM
Well put mister moustache. I think that's what they were going for, but it doesn't seem like enough people caught it. It actually took me the 2nd viewing to really understand it. The 1st viewing I definitely think how you so eloquently wrote in that last section haha. I wasn't sure what to think of Jonathan. Maybe that's what they were going for...
seeether23
seeether23 - 11/25/2013, 7:58 PM
typo: I meant to say "I definitely DIDN'T think how you so eloquently wrote in that last section haha"
SauronsBANE
SauronsBANE - 11/25/2013, 8:04 PM
@MisterMoustache, Honestly that's fantastic. I seriously wish that entire paragraph was in the movie. The only problem is...it wasn't. The movie never once portrayed Pa Kent in the same light that you are.

Maybe you have a great imagination and you just eloquently came up with all that, or maybe you have some personal story that allowed you to lean on that experience and come up with that.

But my point is...you came up with that yourself. The movie never showed Pa Kent to be that loving or even cherishing of his son. They gave us a blank slate of weird, half-finished pseudo intellectual ideas and forced us to fill in the rest of the character. The movie used this "technique" on most of the other characters as well, such as Lois (they forced us to depend on our general knowledge of the Lois Lane character from general Superman lore and come up with our own reasons why Lane was even important to the story...rather than providing their own answer in the movie), Perry White, and the other 2 Daily Planet Workers.
SauronsBANE
SauronsBANE - 11/25/2013, 8:16 PM
And no, it's not about wanting a movie to spoonfeed us every bit of information. It's about showing us more of Clark and Pa Kent's relationship, rather than being lazy and making the audience fill in the blanks.

@seeether23, I seriously doubt that "it doesn't seem like enough people caught it." On the contrary, it seems like the majority of people initially loved that scene, and only later decided that it wasn't as great as we thought. I would argue that people "caught it" the 1st time around, getting sucked in by the grandeur and emotions of it all. IMO there's nothing to "catch," no deeper meaning to it. There's a lot of appealing things on the surface, and not much underneath
seeether23
seeether23 - 11/25/2013, 8:40 PM
I guess you have a point SauronsBANE1, BUT you only have a point if you identify what parts of the movie you would've had them focus less on so they could flesh the Jonathan Kent and Lois Lane stuff out more. There's only so much time in a movie... And a lot of people clearly didn't catch what mister moustache and I are talking about. I'm not saying they should've necessarily, because I think the filmmakers could've done a better job explaining it. But I don't think those people should state that they fully understood it and it was stupid either. Ultimately, the editorial was about showing that the filmmakers weren't intentionally trying to make a Pa Kent that came off like a jerk that wanted Clark to hide forever.
JosephKing
JosephKing - 11/25/2013, 8:43 PM
@SauronsBANE1

Jonathan pretty much says everything I said, I just rearranged his thoughts. Two seconds after saying "maybe", he says and I quote: "there's more in stake here than just our lives, Clark, or the lives of those around us. When the world finds out what you can do it's going to change everything, our beliefs, our notions of what it means to be human. Everything. You see how Pete's mom reacted, right? She was scared, Clark. (...) People are afraid of what they don't understand."

In the next scene, Clark says that he doesn't want to be the answer to "are we alone in the universe?" and Jonathan answers: "I don't blame you, son. It would be a huge burden for anyone to bear, but you're not just anyone, Clark, and I have to believe that you were sent here for a reason. And all these changes that you're going through, one day you're gonna think of them as a blessing. When that day comes, you're gonna have to make a choice... a choice of whether to stand proud in front of the human race or not. (...) You are my son, but somewhere out there you have another father too, who gave you another name, and he sent you here for a reason, Clark. Even if it takes you the rest of your life, you owe it to yourself to find out what that reason is."

And that's not all, but I won't transcribe the whole movie here, I'm just citing examples that clearly shows that all the ideas that I expressed in that fictional line were actually expressed in the movie too, I'm not being delusional. The difference is that the line I wrote was cheesy (on purpose), a lazy attempt to synthesise the character in 30 seconds of expository dialogue, the movie was a little bit more subtle than me. But it's all there.
seeether23
seeether23 - 11/25/2013, 9:25 PM
Mister Mostache's right. I'm being way too easy on the people that didn't seem to get it. There was enough there for them to get it. I think the real problem was too many people were expecting the naive worn out Pa Kent lines that disregard the fact that not even Superman can have his cake and eat it too. If he's gonna reveal himself as a kid there will be consequences that won't be good. If he doesn't kill Zod, Zod will kill a family. There's no getting around them. It's probably what the made this movie so fresh and controversial. The classic cinematic Superman rarely has to face REAL consequence and choose priorities. He can fly around the planet really fast and reverse time...
SauronsBANE
SauronsBANE - 11/25/2013, 9:36 PM
@seeether23, using time as an excuse to skimp out on vitally important character details isn't valid in the least. Maybe cut back on the overly long kryptonian prologue, or cut back on some of the final battle at the end. But I guess we agree on the basic premise that they weren't intentionally making Jonathan Kent that way.But he does come across as a terrible father.
SauronsBANE
SauronsBANE - 11/25/2013, 9:46 PM
@mistermoustache, I never called you delusional. I'm not sure how you took my comment but I wasn't being sarcastic. Anyway, the long paragraph you came up with is much more detailed than the quotes you just provided. Much more. The movie was trying to be many thing things, but 'subtle' was certainly not one of them. You're still transplanting certain ideas from your head and gluing it to the movie. The movie was much more poorly thought out than your long paragraph. In no way, shadow, or form was the film casting Kent in a good light. And even off what you say is true, two exposition-heavy scenes in a row does not do any justice to showing Clark and pa Kent in a functional, loving relationship.
SauronsBANE
SauronsBANE - 11/25/2013, 9:47 PM
"Shadow" = "shape", btw haha
seeether23
seeether23 - 11/25/2013, 9:53 PM
"In no way, shadow, or form was the film casing kent in a good light". Do you really believe this? I think we're just going to have to agree to disagree. But I enjoyed the conversation. Thanks for commenting!
JosephKing
JosephKing - 11/25/2013, 10:18 PM
@SauronsBANE1

I know you didn't call me delusional, I was just showing that I wasn't transplanting ideas from my head and gluing them to the movie. If you compare that long paragraph I wrote with the quotes I showed, it's clear that all the main ideas are the same, they're just expressed in other words (and actions). So I have a hard time believing that you genuinely thinks that what I wrote was a good way to portray Jonathan and what the movie did was a bad way, because they're both essentially the same. And really, it's not even a matter of subjective interpretation, it's just semantics.

By the way, I don't believe those scenes were "exposition-heavy". In fact, my "scene" was a lot more expository and cheesy, that's why it's much more detailed. And indeed the movie is not very subtle about its themes (although I'll say that it's still a lot better than most blockbusters nowadays), that's why I really don't get this whole confusion about characters, motivations, behaviors, etc. It's all there, very clear.
AverageDrafter
AverageDrafter - 11/26/2013, 8:33 AM
He taught Clark to fear his powers and humanity. This is a despicable turn of the character and betrays everything that Superman is.
SauronsBANE
SauronsBANE - 11/26/2013, 8:37 AM
@seeether 23 and @mistermoustache, I think I'll just have to agree to disagree with both of you. But I recommend checking out my editorial from several weeks ago about the problems in MoS. I haven't explAined myself very well here but I go into much more detail there. I'd also read the article that heavily influenced me. It's written by the Film Crit Hulk, an extremely knowledgeable film analyst and he explains himself much better than I ever could. I'm on my phone right now so I can't just link both articles here, but a simple Google search is all you need. Trust me, if you want in-depth analysis on other opinions on the movie, check out my editorial and the Film Crit Hulk's article.

But thanks top both of you for intelligently defending your opinions with a mature conversation.It's refreshing to see some people on this site are still capable of doing so. Cheers!
fishybashi
fishybashi - 11/26/2013, 8:46 AM
Excellent article. Those who don't understand what Pa Kent was trying to do must have no children of their own. Pa Kent's discussion with Clark is AFTER the children were already saved. The fact that the children are already alive and well would definitely change the tone of conversation to more hypothetical and challenging Clark's ideology. Just because he says maybe doesn't mean he disagrees with what Clark did. The point is understanding when and at what situation is Clark ready to reveal his abilities to the world. The fact that he was willing to die in order for his son to keep his powers a secret was one of the more poignant moments of the film, and Clark will never forget that. Jonathan's act of self sacrifice was a symbol of his love for the son he wanted to protect from a world that will not accept him initially. This theme will continue as it also addresses ramifications of the destruction in Metropolis. I think what hurts MOS is the comparison it gets with Donner's version, which to me was significantly more unrealistic, and disingenuous to what may actually happen if a being of such power actually existed. The choice between using powers for good or evil is a freedom that we have as people, and Jonathan gives Clark that freedom while clearly raising him up to be a good, humble person who looked out for others.
jojofmd
jojofmd - 11/26/2013, 6:09 PM
Jonathan's death scene said "don't save me because I was a dumbA and went back for a friggin dog". He wasn't awful but completely subpar when compared to John Schneider's Pa Kent on Smallville. That's right, you heard that correct. It's the one thing the show got right. Going back for the dog was just stupidity. They needed a scene that brought the loss, and seared the lesson to Clark. However, the circumstances were just plain bad.
jojofmd
jojofmd - 11/26/2013, 6:13 PM
That was the one part of the movie I didn't like. I really like MOS and it's message. Plus it had a lot of subtlety. I know because I have yet to hear of many of them here.
acheronmagnuz
acheronmagnuz - 11/26/2013, 7:07 PM
Great article!

Personally, I think Pa Kent is a good portrayal of a father who cares for his son dearly. If I was in his position, I would have reacted the same way if my alien-superpowered-son saves a bus full of children threatening to expose himself.

Some people tend to judge Pa Kent's character as an outsider (mother/father of the children in the bus). If you do this, you will see him as probably a bad influence.

However, if you place yourself in Pa Kent's shoes, would you risk the safety and freedom of your son over the safety of other children? I wouldn't and I understood how Pa Kent feels at that moment. He is being a good father to HIS son regardless of what others might feel about it.

Moreover, his teachings did not stop there, he justified his response by explaining to Clark that people are afraid of what they don't understand. We must take note of the fact that Pa Kent NEVER told his son not to save those children, he said MAYBE, in other words "I'm not sure" or "I don't know", he is confused at that point because he did not want those children to die, but first and foremost, he does not want to expose his son.

Clark is just a kid, although he is strong, who knows what the world/government will do to him if they found out.
JosephKing
JosephKing - 11/27/2013, 3:05 AM
@SauronsBANE1

We'll agree to disagree, then. I read Film Critic Hulk's article a few time ago and I can't agree with him. Not about the movie itself (although of course I do disagree about the movie), but I think all the concepts and arguments he presented from a screenwriting point of view are extremely simplistic. But anyway, it's all cool. ;)


@VIRILEMAN

A) Clark was lucky in that situation. Only two kids saw him and Pete's mom was some sort of religious freak who couldn't reason about what ocurred. Nothing guarantees that he wouldn't be exposed in other situations. Using again the gun analogy, you don't allow your 13 years old son to walk armed because he used a gun once and nothing bad happened.

B) In the bullies scene, he's obviously concerned about Clark hurting people. But anyway, his main point is not about Clark hurting someone while saving someone, that's not what I meant with "consequences". Jonathan is more concerned about how Clark would be affected and how it would affect the world. People freaking out, Clark being emotionally hurt. C'mon, it's not that hard to imagine how the world would react if someone found a super powered alien child somewhere in Kansas.

SauronsBANE
SauronsBANE - 11/27/2013, 8:22 AM
@MisterMoustache, "but I think all the concepts and arguments he presented from a screenwriting point of view are extremely simplistic."

...Yeah, it's obvious we're on two extremely different planes of thought here. And it's all good. I'd argue the Film Crit Hulk put more thought into his essays than most people put into entire movies, and there's nothing simplistic about it.

If you hadn't read any of his other essays and were simply trying to defend a film you really enjoyed, I guess I could see how you came to that conclusion. But take an hour or two and read any number of his other essays, and I guarantee you'd quickly realize that there's many words you can use to describe those articles..."simplistic" is certainly not one of them.

But again, it's all good!
acheronmagnuz
acheronmagnuz - 11/28/2013, 5:44 PM
@VIRILEMAN

Actually, the gun analogy is very valid. We trust that children are good, and guns are good when used to protect ourselves. However, we will not allow children to use guns because there is a possibility that accidents will happen.

In Clark's case, when he was being bullied, you can see that (and he said) he wanted to punch the bully. The only reason that he did not is that he was brought up as a better man, he was not allowed by his father (at that point) to use his powers for any reason. This was evident in their talk after the bully left.

Imagine if Clark even flicks his finger on that bully or uses his heat vision on him in his anger (and he is angry, judging at how that pipe was crushed). Using Clark's superpowers at that very young age, not only exposes Clark to the world (who would not understand him) but also exposes those around him in danger. Clark can kill people inadvertently, he is that strong and powerful.

Moreover, I don't agree that if we see a superpowered boy in Kansas, we will make comics and TV shows about him. You probably would.

However, the US Government, as it is, would probably sent a special government unit to contain the THREAT. They would try contain him (I don't know how) and take him by force, and if Clark resists by running or fighting, that would cement his image as a DANGEROUS ALIEN.

If you think the government would do the RIGHT THING by letting him live his life and sign comic autographs,I don't know how many would agree with you on that.
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