MAN OF STEEL Writer David S. Goyer Shares His Surprising Thoughts On James Gunn's SUPERMAN

MAN OF STEEL Writer David S. Goyer Shares His Surprising Thoughts On James Gunn's SUPERMAN

Man of Steel writer David S. Goyer has shared his thoughts on what he's seen from James Gunn's Superman so far, and his opinion might come as a surprise...

By MarkCassidy - Jun 17, 2025 10:06 AM EST
Filed Under: Superman

David S. Goyer has worked on a number of Marvel and DC Comics-based projects over the years, but is perhaps best known for introducing a new big-screen take on Superman to the world along with director Zack Snyder in 2013's Man of Steel.

Henry Cavill's darker, more serious interpretation of the legendary hero was not to everyone's taste, and even though the SnyderVerse faithful seem to feel that James Gunn's Superman is taking the character too far in the opposite direction, Goyer likes what he's seen so far.

Goyer was asked about the DCU reboot during an appearance on the Happy Sad Confused podcast, and while he clarifies that he hasn’t seen the movie yet, he did “love” the trailers.

“It’s not Man of Steel at all," he went on. "Because I came from that world, it would not have occurred to me to use Krypto, but when Krypto shows up, I’ve just got a big grin on my face.”

Gunn also weighed in on the #RestoreTheSyderVerse crowd's continued campaign (a certain Reddit post makes for quite the read) against his "imposter Superman" during a recent interview with Rolling Stone.

“I think we will survive. I’m not sure the eight people that listen to that guy (I’m going to go out on a limb and guess it’s a guy) are going to impact the course of events.”

“I don’t mind it," he continued. "I think it’s good. I think you don’t wanna have everybody root for you, And I have an actor who reads everything online. I won’t say who it is, but he’ll read this article, and he’ll know who it is. It’s one of the top five in Superman. And this actor gets so upset over things that people say. I said, ‘First of all, you realize that the trailer came out and [reaction] was 97, 98% positive. These people help us, because you don’t want everything to seem 100% positive.'”

No incarnation of any character - especially one so beloved as Superman - is ever going to please everyone, but most fans would probably have to agree that Gunn does have a pretty good grasp on what makes the Man of Tomorrow such an enduring figure.

We'll find out how this latest take on Superman fares with audiences when the movie opens next month.

Superman stars David Corenswet as the Man of Steel, Rachel Brosnahan as Lois Lane, Nicholas Hoult as Lex Luthor, Isabela Merced as Hawkgirl, Nathan Fillion as Guy Gardner, and Anthony Carrigan as Metamorpho.

Sara Sampaio is on board as Lex's assistant/lover Eve Teschmacher, Pruitt Taylor Vince and Neva Howell will play "Ma" and "Pa" Kent, and Milly Alcock's Supergirl has been confirmed to make her debut ahead of her own Woman of Tomorrow movie.

"And that’s a wrap," Gunn posted last year when filming concluded. "God bless our cast and crew whose commitment, creativity, and hard work have brought this project to life. I set out to make a movie about a good man in a world that isn’t always so much. And the goodness and kindness and love I’ve encountered on a daily basis on the set has inspired me and thrust me forward when I felt too spent to move on my own.

Thank you all from the bottom of my heart. It has been an honor. The destination has been Superman, but the journey has been the toil and the laughter and the emotions and ideas and magic we’ve shared together on set - and for that I am forever grateful."

You can check out a synopsis for the movie below.

"In his signature style, James Gunn takes on the original superhero in the newly imagined DC universe with a singular blend of epic action, humor and heart, delivering a Superman who’s driven by compassion and an inherent belief in the goodness of humankind."

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Nonameforme
Nonameforme - 6/17/2025, 10:38 AM
The only ones who seen to be mad are the snyderists.
ComicBandit
ComicBandit - 6/17/2025, 11:08 AM
@Nonameforme - Yup. And I don't get it. Wonder Woman and Aquaman are the most successful DCEU movies. Neither directed by Snyder. Snyder hasn't had a truly successful film since 300. So don't know where this great filmmaker steez is coming from. Don't get me wrong, I liked Man of Steel. But nothing great about BVS or either version of the Justice League. They were all mid.
HistoryofMatt
HistoryofMatt - 6/17/2025, 11:38 AM
@ComicBandit - Man of Steel is a successful film by just about any metric you would use.

BvS, even if I don't care for it, is a successful movie.

ZSJL is a fantastic movie, and it's a shame it never got a theatrical release.

Also, Snyder came up with the stories for both Wonder Woman and Aquaman, so it's funny you don't give him any credit for those.
ComicBandit
ComicBandit - 6/17/2025, 11:44 AM
@HistoryofMatt - The people who created the characters came up with the stories.Zack only pitched in, he didn't do the stories himself. And as long as he didn't write it doesn't matter. Also the metric that says a movie needs to make three times it's budget is one reason why none of those movies were successful. Along with the fact that whether you want to admit it or not, most people didn't like them.Or they would have done better than Wonder Woman and Aquaman.
ComicBandit
ComicBandit - 6/17/2025, 11:45 AM
@HistoryofMatt - His visual is awesome I agree. As a storyteller he's Suckerpunch and Rebel Moon.
Zeeboy
Zeeboy - 6/17/2025, 12:09 PM
@HistoryofMatt - I enjoyed MOS and BVS more than most but that's a bad case of delulu you've got going on there. Let's actually look at the key metrics:

MOS:

- RT critic score: 57%
- RT audience score: 75% (average rating 3.9)
- Worldwide gross: $670 million (a whopping [sarcasm] 221 million more than his Marvel counterpart Thor, who, at the time, was a B-list hero at best)
- It's polarising even among the most diehard Superman fans

And then BVS Superman gets even worse. The critics concensus says it all: "Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice smothers a potentially powerful story — and some of America's most iconic superheroes — in a grim whirlwind of effects-driven action."

Also, story by =/= written by. It's significantly easier to say "I want to make a movie about Wonder Woman leaving Themyscira during WW1 to stop Ares, who is actually orchestrating the war. Okay, go!" Than it is to actually write a movie with arcs and emotional beats and dialogue and making sure all the details work together coherently. Then there's the actual production of the film. Zack is about as responsible for Wonder Woman and Aquaman as their original creators are...
JayWiIkes
JayWiIkes - 6/17/2025, 12:12 PM
@HistoryofMatt - Braindead snyderbots still being laughably delusional, lying, coping trolls years later. What a shocker.

"Man of Steel is a successful film by just about any metric you would use."

Riiiiight, that must be why a *Superman* movie with the giant added benefit of releasing during the worldwide pop culture height of comic book movie mania thanks to the MCU didn't even make a higher profit than a literal unknown Shazam movie LOL

http://dccomicsmovie.com/shazam-made-more-in-profit-than-man-of-steel/

Calling BvS a successful movie is genuinely too stupid for words that i'm not even wasting time listing all the basic common sense facts and metrics which effortlessly disproves that absolute nonsense.

ZSJL was the dictionary definition of character-ruining, troll-worthy garbage made solely for edgy man-children who don't know the literal first thing about those characters outside of the trainwreck snyderverse. But tell us more about how Cyborg crying "F*ck the world!" and the incoherent "Martha Manhunter" tripe was "finally giving the REAL FANS what they wanted!"

Snyder didn't come up with jack squat for Aquaman, the story was conceived by the director and Geoff Johns AKA a writer for the Aquaman comic series which was massively acclaimed and successful. And it's been known for years that Snyder's contributions to Wonder Woman was when it was set in a completely different time period with different characters when she would pose for pictures while holding severed human heads as trophies, none of which made it into the final film (thank god).

Actual facts, you're welcome.
Better luck next time.
Fogs
Fogs - 6/17/2025, 12:31 PM
@ComicBandit - THIS. His visual direction is great. 300, Watchmen, even JL.

But as a storyteller, writer... Just keep him away from the pen (or keyboard, for that matter).
Patient2670
Patient2670 - 6/17/2025, 12:32 PM
@ComicBandit - I would agree that he's not much of a story teller- as a writer- But when he's got a good script, written by someone else, he does well bringing it to screen. Not just in terms of style, but also telling the story.
HistoryofMatt
HistoryofMatt - 6/17/2025, 1:29 PM
@Zeeboy - Did they make money?

Yes? They made money.

They are a success.
mastakilla39
mastakilla39 - 6/17/2025, 1:41 PM
@HistoryofMatt - Nah, MoS and BvS were considered flops and underperformers by WB. WB stated that as a fact during their investor meetings, thats why MoS never got a sequel nor was ever planned to have 1.

MoS cost 225mil+100 mil marketing = 325mil total cost and BvS cost 325mil+100 mil marketing = 425 mil. Both films need to make 2.5x its total cost to just break even, not profit. So MoS needed to gross 813mil+ to break even and BvS had to make over 1 billion and both failed to meet the metrics.

WB planned to shelf DCEU after MoS's flop but Snyder promised that he can save the DCEU by introducing Batman and cameos the JL. WB greenlit BvS because even if flops again, they at least got a reboot of Batman out with Oscar winner Ben Affleck and thats the only reason BvS was made.

Snyder gave them 3 flops in MoS, BvS, and JL director's cut
vectorsigma
vectorsigma - 6/17/2025, 10:40 AM
Just finished a rewatch of Peacemaker.

Gunn is really great at his job. Can you think of a major film director jumping to a tv series and still result to a good output?

I know his humor is not for everyone and i personally enjoy it. But he is good at a lot of other stuff.

Give me a director who can balance stupid humor with heart, action and characterization. He really fits cbms
Patient2670
Patient2670 - 6/17/2025, 12:41 PM
@vectorsigma - Agreed, It's super easy for a director to go from TV to features, but damn hard to go the other way. In features, you get endless prep time and shoot maybe 3 pages of script per day. In TV, you get usually 10 days prep and 10 days to shoot an episode. Shooting often upwards of 8 pages of script per day. It's culture shock and a lot of Film directors will drown in it.
SirReginald
SirReginald - 6/17/2025, 10:40 AM
It’s over. Get over it.
TheJok3r
TheJok3r - 6/17/2025, 10:42 AM
@SirReginald - These freaks will never move on, and it doesn't help that Snyder encourages it every now and then.
Fogs
Fogs - 6/17/2025, 12:34 PM
@TheJok3r - Yeap. Once it was the crazy nolanites who thought everything should be like TDK (Nolan is a GREAT director, but not every character should be like Batman).

Now we have the Snyderbots, who think Snyder is a good writer and that's the pun... What the hell.
TheJok3r
TheJok3r - 6/17/2025, 12:46 PM
@Fogs - At least the nolanites could justify their position due to that trilogy actually being good. Batman V Superman and Justice League (both cuts) were just not that good.
BringFFtoMCU
BringFFtoMCU - 6/17/2025, 10:41 AM
Snyderbots are toxic and killing DC.
Super12
Super12 - 6/17/2025, 10:47 AM
I'm looking forward to this new take on Superman, but I got this feeling that it's just not going to have the same cultural impact that Man of Steel had. Even with its flaws it was a monumental event - same goes for BvS actually. Think about it, did Robert Pattinson's The Batman have remotely the kind of impact that Ben Affleck's has? Even without his own film? There was a lot to gripe about with Snyder's take, particularly with Superman, but you gotta admit it he made iconic epics that leave a HUGE shadow and are going to be really hard to outdo.

When people think of Superman, will they picture Henry Cavill still? Or will Gunn's version top that in the public's mind's eye? We'll see...
bobevanz
bobevanz - 6/17/2025, 10:48 AM
@Super12 - something something mustache
Reeds2Much
Reeds2Much - 6/17/2025, 11:04 AM
@bobevanz -
JayWiIkes
JayWiIkes - 6/17/2025, 12:32 PM
@Super12 - This is the most troll-worthy nonsense i've ever heard. Superman 2025 already had an infinitely higher cultural impact than Man of Steel by the time its first record-breaking trailer released months ago.

Man of Steel never had *any* cultural impact. The vast majority of general and casual viewers still don't even know it exists 12 years later and the only group that ever talks about it is the terminally-online vocal minority portion of the internet that stans Henry Cavill because he plays PC games like them.

P.S. my dad (AKA one of the masses of casual viewers) specifically asked me to go see The Batman with Robert Pattinson because it looked good. Meanwhile 9 years later he factually doesn't know Ben Affleck ever played Batman or the movie he was in even exists. Epic cultural impact! LOL
Super12
Super12 - 6/17/2025, 12:45 PM
@FsN - Cool anecdote, thanks. I mean if your dad says so than yeah, what am I talking about right?
JayWiIkes
JayWiIkes - 6/17/2025, 1:08 PM
@Super12 - Where's the lie? And where's all these widespread examples of Man of Steel and BvS' cultural impact?

Batman 89 factually had it. So did Superman 78, Superman 2, the entire Dark Knight Trilogy, the Joaquin Phoenix Joker movie I can't stand, all examples of mass cultural impact. What exactly did Man of Steel impact? An even more hated crossover movie with Batman which lead to an even bigger flopped Justice league movie and a 4 hour directors cut years later which has zero cultural impact today.

I'm not saying it to be rude but this clearly boils down to you not using the phrase "cultural impact" correctly.
bobevanz
bobevanz - 6/17/2025, 10:48 AM
Grown ups still malding over this? Move the [frick] on. Goyer is a mid screenwriter, Snyder is only a good director. Gunn can do both tee hee
ProfessorWhy
ProfessorWhy - 6/17/2025, 10:49 AM
They weren't even good movies. Weird hill to die on
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 6/17/2025, 10:58 AM
Not sure how this is surprising but oh well (it’s not like he was gonna say he hated it or whatever).

Anyway , Goyer’s hit or miss imo but i do feel he tends to fare better on tv then in film since he has more control over the former with Constantine , Krypton , Da Vinci’s Demons etc.

If he’s interested & such , I wouldn’t mind if he’s given a shot on another DC property in that format imo.
Steel86
Steel86 - 6/17/2025, 11:15 AM
MOS imo is by far the best DCEU film. Still alot in it I would change. I.E. nomadic Clark, Lois and Clark instantly becoming an item, no fortress, Zods death etc etc. But I am really looking forward to Gunn's Superman. Its been a while since we got a comic booky movie that doesn't feel kidish or stupid. Cast looks amazing and that suit while not perfect just screams Superman.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 6/17/2025, 11:40 AM
@Steel86 - idk about the best since I liked others more like 2017 WW ,The Suicide Squad ,Shazam 2019 etc.

However MOS is probably the best for Cavill’s Superman imo.
Steel86
Steel86 - 6/17/2025, 1:30 PM
@TheVisionary25 - I meant directly directed by Synder. But you're right. The three you listed are very good.
SteviesRightFoo
SteviesRightFoo - 6/17/2025, 11:43 AM
Man of steel needed a couple of changes to be truly great. Snyder is one of the biggest hacks of recent times
Justaguy1949
Justaguy1949 - 6/17/2025, 12:16 PM
Clickbait title.
Forthas
Forthas - 6/17/2025, 12:35 PM
"...but most fans would probably have to agree that Gunn does have a pretty good grasp on what makes the Man of Tomorrow such an enduring figure."

No so far he has arguably the worst grasp on Superman. And it is not even close.

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