Niklander's IN DEFENSE OF MAN OF STEEL

Niklander's IN DEFENSE OF MAN OF STEEL

Hit the jump to check out my views of MAN OF STEEL.

Editorial Opinion
By Niklander - Jul 08, 2013 12:07 AM EST
Filed Under: Superman

Hello people of comicbookmovie.com. Niklander here with an editorial of how I viewed MAN OF STEEL as a comic book fan and as a movie goer.

I am giving my own piece of opinion to the debated movie so if you think I am going to start a flame war by saying MOS is better than IM3 kinda example or vice versa then TURN AWAY!!

Good. Let us begin.

To most of you guys in the USA you had the privilege of watching the movie on June of 14th while I on the other hand had to wait like a whole more week and maybe more till I could find the time to experience the movie.Luckily a friend of mine had secured two tickets from a contest he himself won (both of us are members of comicbookmovie.com and good friends). We saw the movie and we loved it as we called it the best Superman movie ever since the 1978 original starring Christopher Reeve as Supes.

Now if you ask critics or comicbook writers especially Mark Waid,there is an article in the news section I suggest you take a look he liked some aspects of the movie but overall he felt dissapointed as to how Superman was treated in this movie and what actions he committed towards the end (Superman kills Zod to ensure the survival of mankind).Other complaints are is that Superman is stoic and never smiles(Wish I could crack a smile when an alien invasion happens it will make me see the world in a positive way **sarcasm**)

I have to say this that after I read some reviews I really felt buzzled as to how people view Superman.To be honest the guy has been face lifted by writers so many times that it's hard to focus on one version of the story.

Most people say that Superman was Batmanized so it could gather money at the box office. To those guys I say this get off the damn Nolan films sure they have similaritties but come on Superman in MOS felted like Batman to you?!



As we entered the year of 2000(Or back at the end of the 90s I think) people started feeling that comics in general started becoming uinteresting which led writers to start thinking why should a superhero stand up against corruption and the weak!?

I was looking through the Internet until I stumbled this video made by Doug Walker AKA Nolstagia Critic

I watched the video NC mentioned that most of the superheroes are connected to the great Greek Myths in which we had the Greek Gods of Olympus which we are drawn to them because of their powers. But as NC mentioned the longer the gods stayed the more we wanted to know about them.Hence the cautionary tales(Like not flying close to the sun and many others) which also taught us values teaching us about what is right and more importantly what is wrong.

So comic book writers were tasked to stop showing superheroes invulneranable and powerful but to show them fragile and relatable to us which I say has brought us closer to the superheroes we love and care about. That is what MOS accomplishes a vulnerable Superman who struggles for acceptance that was the whole point of the movie.

For example we have Spiderman who after he gets his powers he tries to gain money from them by going to wrestling matches until he sees a thief who just robbed someone but he refuses to help stating ''It's not my job'' afterwards the thief killed Uncle Ben which prompted him to fight for the weak and use his powers for good.

In Man Of Steel and I think I know why people actually trash the movie left and right is because we dont see in MOS the Superman we know you know the confident superhero who we know him to be.In MOS Clark is trying to help people but he is doing it in secret because his adoptive father Pa Kent tells him that people are not ready for him. That's one of the many traits from the classic Superman from the comics.He is always trying to help.

Our protagonist Clark Kent/Kal El is trying to find out whether or not the people are ready to accept him. In the 78 Superman film the people gave a warm welcome to Superman even though it was set in the 70s where technically we still were young and naive. But after 9/11 a lot of things changed or to be honest we remembered that we always were afraid to something we couldn't understand as Jonathan Kent put it in the movie ''People are afraid of what they dont understand''.

Superman has a simillar theme of people not trusting him in comics like Earth One and Superman:Birthright where the character is not welcomed immediately but he has to earn the trust of the people of Earth. Same goes for MOS he isn't gonna win the people's hearts in a second but surely as Jor El has said ''They will stumble, they will fall but they will join you in the sun.''It was never meant that he will change the world in day one. Was the Colosseum or the Parthenon build in one day.No so why Superman sould be accepted in a heartbeat!?That would have made the movie unrealistic and totally wrong for what it was trying to sell.Which is a Superman who has yet to prove himself.

In Man Of Steel we see a Superman who must overcome various obstacles to become the superhero we know( Which he still has to learn in order to become Superman like mentioned above). Mark Waid said this "We thought we were getting a Superman movie, and we got a Superman in training movie, and maybe that’s part of my disappointment, too; maybe my expectations were forwarded that way, but if that’s the case I don’t think I’m alone."

Sure I have to agree that we got a Superman in training but if you think about that where will the fun go if in MOS Superman became the Superman we know?!That woudn't be any remotely fun.

The reason why the 78 Superman film and it's sequel worked is because it had a story to match along with a good villain (FOR THE TIME BEING) which tested his character,everything he learned was tested by Luthor and Zod afterwards we got Superman 3 and Quest Of Peace which failed to meet the standards of Superman 1 and 2 which the only saving grace was Christopher Reeve in a otherwise mediocre follow ups to the first two movies.

Look I cant write stories like Mark Waid or any other talented writer does (I hope that one day I might be a screenwriter) but if you have made the character reach the maturity from the first movie already then no reason to have a sequel at all. I mean what next villain shows up hero saves the the day but yet the hero learns nothing because he has learned what he did from the first story. No challenge and we wouldn't have an attachment to the character which is important for any superhero film not just Superman.

Another example is the Brosnan Bond era. We had Goldeneye the best James Bond movie up to this date and afterwards we got nothing more than sequels where we were shown only a good Bond but no substance (Well The World Is Not Enough was good but still 2 out of 4 movies were good the other two Tomorrow Never Dies and Die Another Day sucked).

That was until Casino Royale came directed by Martin Campbell and starring Daniel Craig as James Bond which broke the formula of the previous Bond films and introduced us to a cold blooded killer Bond who is just promoted to the 00 status and he has been given his license to kill. But Bond had to learn from personal experiences to not trust anyone. It wasn't until Skyfall that we got the Bond we all grew up with back again for more adventures and boy did that last two minute scene ending of Skyfall delivered or what?!

That is my point people Superman in MOS is not yet experienced to become the superhero we know (I believe that a sequel to MOS will give us the Superman we know just like Skyfall gave us the Bond we knew).

Now moving on to the demise of General Zod. General Zod in MOS was given a purpose since birth and that was to protect Krypton (I mean the whole angle of genetically engineered babies is something which I could see happening in the not too distant future and plus it was handled well). General Zod was always in the comics as someone who put Krypton above everything else as he said in MOS "My actions no matter how cruel or how hard they are it's for the greater good of my people". His death I think was the best highlight in the movie because as a character Zod is a warrior and a warrior's death was his only wish if he would have gone down. Zod knew that he had lost the fight and he pushed Kal El to the limit to kill him. In my opinion if we had the original planned ending where General Zod gets sucked to the black hole along with the other Kryptonians it would have been extremely anticlimatic, besides Zod is a once time villain no reason for him to come back to have an another round with Superman

Now for the third and final part and that is the destruction caused in Metropolis and Smallville. People are complaing that too many people died and that Superman should have saved them.
If Superman was able to save all of these lives then the movie wouldn't had an impact on the viewers.Which it was trying to sell to the viewers about a first contact gone bad movie.It is hypocritical to judge on the property destruction on MOS and not judging it in Trasformers or hell even The Avengers.If you watch in the movie when Perry White along with Lamblard and Jenny evacuate the Planet you see a police officer trying to lead them to safety. Who doesn't say that the national guard and the police didn't evacuate the city!?I mean the army was about to cause a black hole OF COURSE they would try and save as many human lives as possible.It's logical.

That was it folks I hope this wont turn into a flame war article but into a reasonable conversation.

That is all
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lucio7lopez
lucio7lopez - 7/8/2013, 2:08 AM
Good review for AWESOME movie! Thanks.
xcrementus
xcrementus - 7/8/2013, 2:30 AM
my beef with the movie was that by being so serious and so, so, SO grim all the damn time, that it ended up being a massive bummer.

I left the movie going..."well...I guess that's what WB thinks Superman needs to be...i guess there's stuff for a sequel..i guess it was ok."

In my mind i just imagining all those damn people dying.and then, in the middle of a giant crater where hundreds of thousands of people just lost their lives, Superman and Lois have a cute smooch and she cracks a joke......SERIOUSLY? THATS YOUR REACTION? I was mortified.

After Iron Man 3, i left the screen with a gigantic smile on my face. All my friends (non comic reading friends) thought it was totally killer. Cus there was a charming irreverance and humanity in the film, and didn't forget that its star was meant to be doing heroic things.

After Star Trek Into Darkness, i msged everybody saying it was fricking awesome, and everybody should see it, again with a huge smile on my face. Humour, action, and dark gravitas in appropriate levels.

With Man of Steel, i didn't. It was just OK, and i wasn't inspired or entertained, I was just bummed. I hope a sequel brings some charm into the mix, it might actually be Super next time.
marvel72
marvel72 - 7/8/2013, 3:33 AM
man of steel doesn't hold up well to repeat viewings,i've seen it once at the cinema & twice on download & believe me when i say it had very good picture & sound for a cam.

i originally gave it 4/5 but thinking about it,i believe 3/5 is a better score.
calin88
calin88 - 7/8/2013, 4:18 AM
This movie doesn't need defending, it was a great (Superman) film and who doesn't agree is either nitpicking for straws or is just not into CBMs
xcrementus
xcrementus - 7/8/2013, 5:29 AM
lots of humor and levity? i really don't remember that.

The violence in Avengers was a lot more light, explosions here and there but no full buildings falling down and destroying 3+ city blocks and no people under rubble screaming in terror.
The tone worked for Avengers in that circumstance, whereas it didn't work for MoS.

Isn't Superman supposed to be inspiring? the best of all of us? I certainly didn't feel that way after its all over, and i don't consider that nitpicking. If it missed something that major to general themes of Superman than maybe its not so great an achievement.

Mark Waid knows Superman inside and out, and he was similarly uninspired by it all.
I don't think i can name 3 actual funny scenes in Man of Steel that are memorable. Just grim faces, sad music and a levelled Metropolis. Even Dark Knight had more levity than Man of Steel for christ's sake.
Jolt17
Jolt17 - 7/8/2013, 7:49 AM
Good write-up, although I still have to disagree with some of the points!

I agree, that Man of Steel successfully brings a Superman that is vulnerable, whose only weakness isn't just Kryptonite, yada, yada, yada, and the whole point is indeed him struggling to be accepted by the society. The latter, however, is where the movie misses, to me: There's no sign of establishment, no moment of clarity whatsoever that shows whether the world, after the events of the movie, has accepted him, or not; whether the world has become any readier for a god among them, or they simply aren't. Sure, we have the military trying to track his whereabouts, but then...what? What's the actual reaction of the whole world? Everything is just about military this, and military that, and I think by the end of the movie, the only people who are actually aware that Superman isn't a hostile force are Lois, Hardy's force - who ended up being stranded in the Phantom Zone, anyway - and perhaps, the family Superman saved from Zod's threat, that's if they aren't haunted by the sight of a man snapping another's neck. I'm fine with him killing Zod, anyway, but show a real consequence of all that; heck, you can even include a part in the movie that hints at some people being afraid of Superman and accuse him as being a murderer, thus establishing that the world isn't ready for a figure like him, and that still would suffice to wrap up his arc in this movie alone, setting up his goal to become a full-fledged role model for the sequel(s), et cetera. But in what we got, there's no sort of clarification offered that leaves us relying on the sequel to have a better look on the character, but that defines a good movie, not a great one, for me.

Same goes to the level of destruction; it doesn't seem to leave any impact to neither Superman, nor me personally. OK, my ideal view of Superman is that he's...well, a super man, who is capable of doing feats impossible to us, such as saving a lot of lives while beating the hell out of a bad guy throughout a whole city. Even Superman Returns managed to show that it's possible for him to do that, where he destroyed falling debris with his heat vision, while flying in super-speed. But as much as I think it's not all that valid, I guess it's fair to justify that, with the "This Superman has just started his career," argument. Fine, that's acceptable enough, but does it seem to bother Superman, his inability to save everyone? Does it seem to leave him with the thought of him having to learn more in this role as a savior? No. All he weeps for, by the end, is his being forced to kill someone of his own race - which is one of the establishing moments that works - but never his powerlessness in preventing that massive destruction left behind. And in the end, I don't care about it, either, because we've never gotten something that makes Metropolis seem relevant, unlike, say, Gotham in Batman Begins, which has many reasons that make us think, whether it deserves to be destroyed, or saved instead. (Just a brief one on that, though, since it's not exactly the main focus here.) I think this works for the previous point, too, but The Avengers has a news montage following the climatic battle, which shows how the people of New York, despite the destruction surrounding them, have instilled trust in the heroes - who managed to actually save their lives in the midst of the battle - while the authorities aren't as soft-hearted as the citizens. You see, it's quite a simple thing to include, yet that can mean a lot to the movie itself.

As for Zod receiving a warrior's death, I think that's a great point to add to his demise by the end of the movie. Well, that's all from me, I guess; surely those are all my stances, and hopefully, that will be a start to an enjoyable discussion than anything else! :)
EdgyOutsider
EdgyOutsider - 7/8/2013, 10:16 AM
There were a couple points in the movie that felt pointless. Zod demanding for Lois to go on the ship comes first to mind. My biggest issues with the movie is that it doesn't have the fun of a comicbook movie (The Dark Knight trilogy even had some fun and humor) and the lack of character development. If it would've had those two to go with the awesome action (with some bad cgi at some points, particularly Superman vs Zod final battle) then I can see it being able to being put in the same sentence as movies like The Dark Knight, Avengers and X-Men First Class (despite the opinions of many Fox haters).

Although, Avengers would be the best comicbook movie because it recognizes that's what it is, doesn't try to be anything else and it obviously worked. I'm not anti-DC cause I do love The Dark Knight trilogy, Watchmen and the original Richard Donner Superman movie. But, if Man of Steel is the start of the DC Universe, I'll accept the far more serious tone. But, it needs to develop their characters much better and learn to have fun with the movies and add in humor because that's what Superhero movies are suppose to be. Fun, mindless, entertaining blockbusters with a heart.

Also, a fan request. Keep Snyder for the Superman movies, get better writers, have emotional moments at times and no Snyder for Justice League. Someone more qualified like David Yates will do.
tonytony
tonytony - 7/8/2013, 1:54 PM
crossbones said
"I'm not anti-DC cause I do love The Dark Knight trilogy, Watchmen"

quite possibly the single biggest lie on this website, there are many many times you have been pulled up for your hate of DC and i have seen your many attacks on Zack snyder.

You marvel fanboys who feign interest and neutrality are the absolute worst i can almost deal with someone spewing the hate as long as they are upfront with it, what i absolutely hate are liars, you are quite possibly the worst kind, a snake like marvel fanboy pretending to be coming from a neutral place, this is why i hate all the shit you write because you Nick Salinski/ Crossbones are dishonest, insincere and a flat out liar.
Brainiac13
Brainiac13 - 7/8/2013, 2:23 PM
@tonytony

So True!!

I bet Crossbones saw it on download!
Brainiac13
Brainiac13 - 7/8/2013, 2:24 PM
@tonytony

You need a cool avatar!
tonytony
tonytony - 7/8/2013, 2:48 PM
@brainiac3000 Im not sure which one to get, but i will try and get one done either today or tomorrow. Im travelling at mo so when i return i will pick one.
Brainiac13
Brainiac13 - 7/8/2013, 3:24 PM

@tonytony

I recommend this and then you got 100s to choose from!

http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=superman+flying&safe=strict&hl=en&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=tDvbUfvaGaPM0QWxnoGgCw&sqi=2&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAQ&biw=1280&bih=842&safe=high
tonytony
tonytony - 7/8/2013, 4:33 PM
@brainiac thanks buddy
Ghostt
Ghostt - 7/8/2013, 6:13 PM
I lean Marvel, but I really enjoyed MoS. great show with powerful emotion and great fight scenes. I have to agree with some of the critics about maybe a bit too much destruction and loss of life (and the awkward kiss in the midst of it), but this was a good retelling of superman. I give it 4/5.
EdgyOutsider
EdgyOutsider - 7/8/2013, 7:24 PM
@tonytony

That's a lie within itself. I'm not a liar, yes I have stated my hate for Zack Snyder. Here's the thing, Watchmen is brilliant, Dawn of the Dead is his best movie and Man of Steel (as I've stated in other articles) is enjoyable. I've never stated that I hate DC, I dislike them. I enjoy some of their movies and their animated movies as well as the Batman Arkham games but, that's about it. I'm not a liar. If you ever been in the editorials section the past couple weeks (I'm not sure if you have or not) but I've posted POSITIVE articles about DC.

Five things I'd do with the inevitable Batman reboot, thoughts on Man of Steel and what I'd do with Justice League (If that's the accurate name of the article, I can't remember). So no, I'm not a liar, I don't hate DC, I'm not Anti-DC. Get your shit straight before you start accusing people of shit. Don't tell me my First Class being better than The Dark Knight article is Anti-DC when I've stated countless times on this site that I think it's a brilliant movie. I actually own Watchmen and The Dark Knight trilogy, I'll [frick]ing prove it if need be. Your shit is getting real old and tiring.
halvor311
halvor311 - 7/8/2013, 9:40 PM
Good review. I'd take out the Nostalgia Critic though. He's quite obnoxious and a little offensive.
tonytony
tonytony - 7/8/2013, 10:43 PM
Crossbones on a number of occassions you have been pulled up for anti dc stance. You are a liar and a snake.
EdgyOutsider
EdgyOutsider - 7/8/2013, 11:08 PM
@tonytony: I've never came from an anti-DC stance. How I am a liar and a snake is confusing. You don't know me. Therefore, you seriously need to shut the [frick] up cause I'm sick and tired of your bullshit accusations and calling me a liar, which I'm not. You're truly pathetic you know that? You're really pathetic, it sickens me.
lucio7lopez
lucio7lopez - 7/9/2013, 5:59 AM
Me too, @tonytony just unmask @crossbones hate!!
EdgyOutsider
EdgyOutsider - 7/9/2013, 7:39 AM
You guys seriously don't have a clue what you're talking about so you? Plus, @batmaniac, I thought we had already settled this. Never, have I been anti-DC. I've never stated tht I think Warner Bros should quit making superhero movies or that DC sucks. I'm not going to lie, my bias has gotten the better of me (First Class being better than The Dark Knight is not my bias getting in the way and is not Anti-DC). But, for tonytony to call me a liar and a snake is pathetic. It really is cause he's a hypocrite. He hates liars and snakes. Yet, he's a liar himself. Have I bad mouthed DC before? Yes, does that make me Anti-DC? No cause if that were the case, you might as well say that half-most people on this site are Anti-Marvel. I'm not goin to say I like many DC products as I've stated before, I have no general interest in their comics, I like most of their animated movies, I love the Arkham games and I think the following are their best movies: Superman, Batman, Batman Returns, The Dark Knight trilogy, Superman Returns and Watchmen. I would put Man of Steel in their but, I only found it enjoyable. It's one of their better ones. Plus, how can I be anti-DC when I've written editorials on how I would do the Batman reboot, The Flash movie, a Justice League movie and an editorial regarding what I would do for the Man of Steel sequel. I've even done fancasts for Justice League, The Flash and Batman.

Believe what you guys want. You don't know me at all, the fact you think I'm a liar and a snake is pathetic and laughable.
tonytony
tonytony - 7/9/2013, 10:28 AM
To be fair you have become less overt in your anti-dc hate in the last month but on many occassions you have stated clearly you dont like dc. Some people can claims they are not anti-dc but not you. This doesnt even bear discussion because there are enough people that know you for your hate of dc.
EdgyOutsider
EdgyOutsider - 7/9/2013, 11:10 AM
@tonytony: I will apologize for my rudeness, it was out of mere frustration and I'm glad you've seen at least in the past month I haven't been anti-DC. But, I've never hated DC, never claime to hate them. I just dislike them in general.
tonytony
tonytony - 7/9/2013, 12:16 PM
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
with statements like your last sentence above we can all see you ARE indeed anti-dc. Again it doesnt bear discussion as everyone knows already.
EdgyOutsider
EdgyOutsider - 7/9/2013, 3:09 PM
Just cause I say that in general I dislike DC doesn't make me Anti-DC.
EdgyOutsider
EdgyOutsider - 7/14/2013, 11:33 AM
McGee: I'm not a Marvel troll and I am not anti-DC. Double standard is for one thing to be okay but the same act done by a different group or person isn't acceptable. So, you're telling me I criticize DC all I want but not okay by my standards for others to criticize Marvel? You couldn't be farther from the truth. Cause that tells me you think that in my mind, Marvel can do no wrong. I acknowledge they have had stinkers. Marvel in general has [frick]ed up before. I have let my bias get the better of me before, that's not a lie. But, in most cases and overall I am not Anti-DC and I have never done anything to be called a Marvel troll
acheronmagnuz
acheronmagnuz - 7/18/2013, 1:46 AM
Great review!!! Agree with you 100%!
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