GAME OF THRONES Author George R.R. Martin Admits That He May Never Finish THE WINDS OF WINTER

GAME OF THRONES Author George R.R. Martin Admits That He May Never Finish THE WINDS OF WINTER

George R.R. Martin has shared a disappointing update on his progress on the penultimate novel in his A Song of Ice and Fire saga, The Winds of Winter...

By MarkCassidy - Dec 06, 2024 11:12 AM EST
Filed Under: Game of Thrones
Source: Via SFF Gazette

A Song of Ice and Fire readers have been (im)patiently waiting for the next book in the series since A Dance with Dragons hit shelves all the way back in 2011, and author George R.R. Martin has now shared a disappointing update on his progress.

Despite claiming to be "three quarters of the way done" with the story back in 2022 during an appearance on The Late Show with Stephen Colbert, Martin has now acknowledged the length of time he's been working on the novel, while admitting that fans might be right to wonder if he'll ever be able to finish it.

While speaking to THR, Martin expressed doubt that he'll be able to complete the next entry in the series for the first time.

"Unfortunately, I am 13 years late," he said. "Every time I say that, I'm [like], 'How could I be 13 years late?' I don't know, it happens a day at a time. But that’s still a priority. A lot of people are already writing obituaries for me. [They're saying] 'Oh, he'll never be finished.' Maybe they're right. I don't know. I'm alive right now! I seem pretty vital!"

Martin is constantly bombarded by fans wondering when they can expect to delve back into the fantasy saga, and while this is obviously not a positive sign that he is at least approaching the finish line with an end in sight, at least it sounds like he hasn't completely given up.

Even if he does manage to finish The Winds of Winter, is there any hope that he'll be able to complete the saga with A Dream of Spring?

The writer also signed off with a small crumb of optimism by noting that he will never retire, as he's "not a golfer."

Martin has shared several excerpts from the novel over the years which focus on various different characters, but nothing too revealing. While these final two books are expected to mirror the later seasons of HBO's Game of Thrones to a degree, the author has previously confirmed that there will be some significant differences - especially when it comes to the ending.

Will Bran Stark still end up on the Iron Throne? Will Jon Snow kill Daenerys after she breaks bad and burns an entire city to ashes? We'd bank on at least one major change to the conclusion of the show, but we'll just have to wait and see (or not).

What do you make of Martin's comments? Are you still looking forward to The Winds of Winter, or has anticipation simply faded over the years? Be sure to let us know in the comments section down below.

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TheJok3r
TheJok3r - 12/6/2024, 11:42 AM
Although I personally liked seasons 7 & 8, I can't help but wonder if the reception to those seasons have played a role in discouraging him from continuing the books.
Shivermetimbers
Shivermetimbers - 12/6/2024, 11:46 AM
@TheJok3r - I have thought that too. I also don’t dislike those later seasons. I can agree that there was a rushed feel to them, and it could have been better, there were still some of my favorite moments from the series in there. I didn’t have a problem with Danerys good bad at all. I expected it.
Shivermetimbers
Shivermetimbers - 12/6/2024, 11:47 AM
@Shivermetimbers - *going bad…
Nomis929
Nomis929 - 12/6/2024, 12:04 PM
@Shivermetimbers - Same.
lord22
lord22 - 12/6/2024, 12:40 PM
@TheJok3r - literally the first time i see someone saying he like season 7 and 8. i feel less alone today
TheOtherOn
TheOtherOn - 12/6/2024, 1:58 PM
@TheJok3r - I still dislike the last season, despite there being some VERY good scenes in between. It's not about the ending itself, since it was very obvious what's gonna happen. It's about HOW they got there. It wasn't just rushed, it was outright filled with plotholes and illogical story.

I used to re-watch previous seasons multiple times in between every new season when it was still on going. Since it ended tho? I managed to re-watch the whole thing just ONCE and that took some efforts to finish the last season.

As the old saying goes, it's NOT a sprint, it's a marathon. Unfortunately, they decided to sprint in the last season and half and they sprinted on roids! 🤢🤮
TheJok3r
TheJok3r - 12/6/2024, 2:03 PM
@lord22 - I think the reason those two seasons weren't as liked as the others was due to the unrealistic expectations fans had for them. I got into Game of Thrones late, so I basically watched the entire series in one go. Although I think both seasons could've used an extra episode each, they did what I expected them to do: Wrap up the series.
TheJok3r
TheJok3r - 12/6/2024, 2:07 PM
@TheOtherOn - The stars of the show wanted to move on, and so did the producers. Considering the author was taking forever (and still is) to end the books, they were kind of stuck between a rock and a hard place. Do they wait for the books to end, or do they take notes from the author and fill in the blanks themselves ? Although what they did wasn't perfect, at least they were able to wrap up the story. Can you imagine if they said season 5 would be it until he finished the books ? we'd still be waiting.
NonPlayerC
NonPlayerC - 12/6/2024, 5:57 PM
@TheJok3r - by no means was it bad but the whole battle of the white walkers was very rushed and should have felt bigger than it was. They took care of the walkers midway through the final season if I remember right and that felt like a bigger threat than denaeriys. I think it should have been reversed. Either everyone comes together to fight the walkers as they continue south or she wins the throne only for the walkers to come and destroy the city while she’s turning mad
Knightstar
Knightstar - 12/6/2024, 11:49 AM
He's cool with all the money WB/HBO gave him to allow D&D to bastardize/girl boss the last 3 seasons of Game of Thrones in to oblivion...
Pampero
Pampero - 12/6/2024, 11:50 AM
If he can't do it, he could use ChatGPT to complete the novel. In just one day, it could be ready.
TheVandalore
TheVandalore - 12/6/2024, 11:51 AM
He doesn't know how to end it now that the TV used a version of his ending and everyone hated it.
Chasekeane
Chasekeane - 12/6/2024, 12:20 PM
@TheVandalore - I reckon endings are always hard, and GOT ending didn't feel earned, because it broke its own pace and laws, but that's not to say the actual story beats were necessarily bad though..?
TheVandalore
TheVandalore - 12/6/2024, 1:51 PM
@Chasekeane - true. The subtlety and nuance is all in the execution, and the last 2 seasons execution was decidedly pejorative.
BabyLasagna
BabyLasagna - 12/6/2024, 9:01 PM
@TheVandalore - All the Daenerys going mad arc can have more sense since there's that fake Aegon that surely will take King's Landing before her, leading to a cheaper Dance of dragons.

And Bran becoming king MAY have more sense with all the Three Eyed Raven being a more "pulling the strings of everything" type of character than...just a robot Bran.

We will never know anyway tho
JayLemle
JayLemle - 12/6/2024, 11:52 AM
At this point, who gives a shit anymore, LOL? If he doesn't care, then why should we?
MrDandy
MrDandy - 12/6/2024, 11:53 AM
Joe Abercrombie meanwhile sitting on the sideline just waiting for his call to come in and finish the novels.

Btw, unpopular opinion, but the First Law series is significantly better than Game of Thrones. mainly because it was actually finished and he moved onto other stories set in the world.
Astroman
Astroman - 12/7/2024, 6:31 AM
@MrDandy - this is correct. The First Law trilogy and the subsequent books in the series are all better than Game of Thrones. Plus Abercrombie know how to organize a story and produce it across three awesome volumes or a stand alone in relatively short order. Some of these authors start a series with no real plan for where it is going or who they will get there.
DocSpock
DocSpock - 12/6/2024, 11:54 AM

Sometimes when people get fabulously rich, they just sink into being fat and lazy.

Exactly like me except for the fabulously rich part.
BabyLasagna
BabyLasagna - 12/6/2024, 8:55 PM
@DocSpock - Can't blame him tbh
ItsNotForMeWahh
ItsNotForMeWahh - 12/6/2024, 11:55 AM
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Comes as no surprise
Nomis929
Nomis929 - 12/6/2024, 12:06 PM
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S8R8M
S8R8M - 12/6/2024, 12:14 PM
I like the idea of him leaving it blank but I also curious how he brings it to an end.
SATW42
SATW42 - 12/6/2024, 12:28 PM
at this point he needs to just give detailed story points to a writer he trusts and tell them to finish it, but after he's gone so he doesn't have to watch the reaction like he did with the show.

I honestly don't even think he gives a shit anymore and it's just an albatross hanging over him.
HashTagSwagg
HashTagSwagg - 12/6/2024, 1:05 PM
@SATW42 - He trusted the show runners of the OG Thrones and HOTD and they both crashed the moment they got overconfident and took off the stabilizers.
SATW42
SATW42 - 12/6/2024, 1:09 PM
@HashTagSwagg - "but after he's gone so he doesn't have to watch the reaction like he did with the show"
BabyLasagna
BabyLasagna - 12/6/2024, 8:54 PM
@SATW42 - A lot of people want Brandon Sanderson to finish it (he did that with Wherl of Time so wouldn't be the first), but I think he has a very different approach to storytelling, but it could be interesting.

Also the dude writes like 3 giant books per year
WEAPONXOXOXO
WEAPONXOXOXO - 12/6/2024, 12:47 PM
Chapter 1

It was the best of times, it was the worst of times........

I need a break



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Truoptimusprime
Truoptimusprime - 12/6/2024, 12:58 PM
Writers block is a serious thing, you can write 100 pages in one day and the next page will take 2 years to finish no joke. I was supposed to be done with my novel in December 2023 and here it is 2024. I have been stuck on the final chapter since last Christmas!!!! 🙃 🤯😵‍💫
HashTagSwagg
HashTagSwagg - 12/6/2024, 1:01 PM
Would suck if he can't finish but I'm happy enough for what he's given.
The1st
The1st - 12/6/2024, 1:10 PM
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AgentofSH1ELD
AgentofSH1ELD - 12/6/2024, 1:48 PM
Look to South Park as inspiration.. just dont write about the penis so much.
TheOtherOn
TheOtherOn - 12/6/2024, 1:49 PM
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GameOn
GameOn - 12/6/2024, 2:10 PM
What an annoying person, constantly updating us with non-updates. I have never even read the books and am still over him showing up in the news saying absolutely nothing. How many ways can one person say “I’m not done?”
RitoRevolto
RitoRevolto - 12/6/2024, 5:10 PM
Shocked. Shocking, this is such a shocker. I'm shocked!
BabyLasagna
BabyLasagna - 12/6/2024, 8:50 PM
This is the same dude that got angry because one banner of HotD wasn't the exact shade of green he wanted or something
1stDalek
1stDalek - 12/6/2024, 11:26 PM
He'll eventually push out Winds of Winter before he dies, I'm pretty certain of that, he's only 76 and could have another decade in him. It's A Dream of Spring for which I have no hope it will ever come out, unless another writer gets hired to finish it based on his notes (assuming his ancient writing computer doesn't die before him)
Rokhorn
Rokhorn - 12/7/2024, 7:40 AM
@1stDalek - TDoD came of 13 years ago. He's never going to finish. If wrote 3 chapters a year, he would have finished 3 years ago. He's a hack now and is punch drunk on his own fame. Too busy writing short stories and being important in Hollywood.
NinnesMBC
NinnesMBC - 12/7/2024, 1:00 AM
He must be just joking or trolling. If not then he's unfortunately a hack.
MarvelZombie616
MarvelZombie616 - 12/7/2024, 4:53 AM
He is super fat and won't live to be 80 at this size.

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