LOKI Director Weighs In On Whether Steve Rogers Was Responsible For A Nexus Event In AVENGERS: ENDGAME

LOKI Director Weighs In On Whether Steve Rogers Was Responsible For A Nexus Event In AVENGERS: ENDGAME

At the end of Avengers: Endgame, Steve Rogers travelled back in time for his happy ending with Peggy Carter, but did he create a Nexus event the TVA had to prune? Loki director Kate Herron weighs in...

By JoshWilding - Jul 27, 2021 03:07 AM EST
Filed Under: Loki

There's an awful lot we don't know about the rules of the Multiverse in the Marvel Cinematic Universe, but Judge Renslayer mentioning that The Avengers were meant to travel back in time did explain why they weren't pruned by the Time Variance Authority for daring to make changes to the Sacred Timeline. 

That still leaves us with a lot of unanswered questions, including why it was okay for Steve Rogers to create a new branching timeline when he decided to remain in the past with Peggy Carter. Well, unless he was supposed to do that in order to return to the present and make Sam Wilson the new Captain America - time travel is confusing! 

During a recent interview, Loki director Kate Herron shared her thoughts on whether Steve created a Nexus event when he travelled back in time for that dance with Peggy in Avengers: Endgame.

"My theory is this: It comes down to if you’re an optimist or a pessimist," she explained. "If you’re an optimist, maybe it was okay [for] them living that way, and the branch wasn’t so severe that it didn’t need to be pruned, and that meant that they could stay together. Maybe the romantics can say somehow that managed to exist. And then the pessimists [think], ‘They probably got pruned.'"

"Generally branches have to be pruned and then maintained, right? But it depends. Like if it’s alternate, it would imply that it’s running alongside our main timeline, so yeah. I don’t want to definitively say that they were pruned, but by our logic in the TVA, probably. But maybe where there’s a will there’s a way, and they weren’t too disruptive and managed to live happily ever after."

We have a feeling this will be addressed at some point, especially as Chris Evans is expected to reprise the role of Captain America in the not too distant future. Fans also remain hopeful that his trip through time will be explored in some way, and the TVA are bound to factor into that. 

We'll have to wait and see, but Herron definitely makes a lot of compelling points here, don't you think?

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1AboveAll
1AboveAll - 7/27/2021, 3:07 AM
hows about the idea that it was part of Kangs plan to have Steve gone by the time he arrives?
Fogs
Fogs - 7/27/2021, 3:31 AM
@1AboveAll - kang wasn't in charge of the TVA. The Conquerer variant, I mean.
1AboveAll
1AboveAll - 7/27/2021, 3:46 AM
@Fogs - Sorry He Who Remains i should say, i think he may just start the loop again. I think Judge Renslayer's mission is to make sure He Who Remains returns to fix the timeline again after Kang and his Variants have attacked and been defeated allowing He Who Remains to be the last Kang again
2013venjix
2013venjix - 7/27/2021, 3:10 AM
Rogers Was Responsible For A Nexus Event?

🤨 nah.
bkmeijer2
bkmeijer2 - 7/27/2021, 3:19 AM
I like to think that Steve's branch didn't create a timeline that neared the red line and thus wouldn't result in an evil Kang, so it didn't need to get pruned.
Fogs
Fogs - 7/27/2021, 3:43 AM
@bkmeijer - yes. By the end of the series we understood why the red line and why the "sacred" timeline.

Re watching the talk by the One Above All is clarifying.
bkmeijer2
bkmeijer2 - 7/27/2021, 4:29 AM
@Fogs - yeah it definitely did. I was kinda mad how they seemingly threw all the rules out the window in Episode 1, but by the end I do see now how it still makes sense.

The Avengers going back obviously resulted in an evil Kang-less timeline, and I assume Steve going back and preventing every disaster, accident, incident and whatnot between 1946-2023 didn't either.
OmegaDaGrodd
OmegaDaGrodd - 7/27/2021, 5:03 AM
@bkmeijer - Yep, it's pretty clear the TVA were operating on a LOT of bullshit protocols that the Time Keepers were essentially giving them on a case by case basis. Once the show makes it clear the TVA were really mostly just focused on preventing a Kang invasion rather than preserving a particular timeline, the inconsistencies make a ton more sense
bkmeijer2
bkmeijer2 - 7/27/2021, 5:06 AM
@OmegaDaGrodd - exactly. The one thing that still kinda bothers me is why HWR said he would reincarnate and he would end up in the exact same place.

Maybe it's was just bluffing or metaphorical, because I can only see that make sense if he meant not him specifically, but just a version of him because he assumes there is always one Kang gonna remain.
dagenspear
dagenspear - 7/27/2021, 5:11 AM
@Fogs - That didn't happen in the show.
Spock0Clock
Spock0Clock - 7/27/2021, 5:14 AM
@bkmeijer - "not him specifically, but just a version of him because he assumes there is always one Kang gonna remain."

This. There's always a Kang who either beats all the other Kangs, or a Kang that isolates his preferred timelines from the other Kangs (depending on exactly what happened to create the Sacred Timeline). The Kang Who Rekangs isn't literally being reinKangnated, just expressing the utter futility in killing him.
OmegaDaGrodd
OmegaDaGrodd - 7/27/2021, 5:18 AM
@bkmeijer - Yea that was my interpretation of that, pretty much him saying from their perspective it would be as if he reincarnated, because it would be really strange if he was being literal. Then again, after watching it a second time it feels even harder to tell what parts of that speech were literal vs figurative
bkmeijer2
bkmeijer2 - 7/27/2021, 5:19 AM
@Spock0Clock - it does make the most sense that way. And I think it already happened off-screen.

Between HWR starting to talk about how they passed the threshold and he gets killed, he didn't prevent any other Kang from doing whatever. That already resulted in a TVA ruled by a more evil version, and that's the TVA we see Loki arrive at.

Only question then is, from what timeline does this TVA originate?
bkmeijer2
bkmeijer2 - 7/27/2021, 5:21 AM
@OmegaDaGrodd - I haven't watched it a second time (probably will when the second season comes around), but I definitely agree it was hard too tell due to HWR's borderline mad/genius attitude.

So Jonathan Majors really did a great job with the role, since I really couldn't tell how crazy he actually was thanks to his isolation.
Spock0Clock
Spock0Clock - 7/27/2021, 5:34 AM
@bkmeijer - There's a weird glitch with how the TVA seems to have its own passage of time that coincides with time travelers' experience of time. The TVA looked for the escaped Lokis for around the same amount of time that those Lokis were hiding, for example.

Otherwise there's no reason for there to be a timelimit for how quickly the TVA prunes the branches.

It suggests a sort of "metatime" that might itself be artificial? The obvious explanation is that the Loki TV series needs a linear timeline for the sake of the narrative (because for a show about time travel, it doesn't do anything all that "time-travelly" with causation). Until the very end where it looks like the TVA's time got looped or altered or something (or Loki ended up in an alternate TVA if that's possible).
bkmeijer2
bkmeijer2 - 7/27/2021, 5:49 AM
@Spock0Clock - I guess another obvious explanation is that the TVA exists in the Quantum Realm, since time works differently there yada-yada. And as Stark has shown, you can navigate through it.

So I'm assuming, even though the TVA's portals look different, they too use the Quantum Realm to travel between timelines.
Fogs
Fogs - 7/27/2021, 10:07 AM
@dagenspear - Sorry, what exactly didn't happen?
Vampyre75
Vampyre75 - 7/27/2021, 3:20 AM
There was no nexus event with Rogers going back to live his life with Peggy. He was in the same time line as everyone else. Loki show actually shows this as up until Loki intervention there was only one path. So in reality when Steve went back and fought himself in the past there would of been three Steve Rogers at that specific time with old Rogers at home with Peggy.
Fogs
Fogs - 7/27/2021, 3:43 AM
@Vampyre75 - no, because this is not Back to the Future, as they explain.
ShimmyShimmyYA
ShimmyShimmyYA - 7/27/2021, 4:17 AM
@Fogs - It’s easy to assume TVA just pruned everything the avengers [frick]ed with
Fares
Fares - 7/27/2021, 3:21 AM
Can we just like let it go? Can't we just agree that once you introduce time travel, there will always be problems? I swear the other night I couldn't sleep for at least an hour because my brain couldn't stop trying to dissect how the TVA works.
Origame
Origame - 7/27/2021, 4:50 AM
@Fares - there are problems, yes, but that doesn't mean logic just goes out of the window. And it's not like they needed to use time travel here. It's been going through so many films without time travel until the end.
Fares
Fares - 7/27/2021, 6:33 AM
@Origame - True. But I think the only thing worth paying attention to and discussing is logic relating to the fundamentals of storytelling, character motivations, etc. Aside from that, you can find a crakc or na excuse for anything.
Origame
Origame - 7/27/2021, 8:46 AM
@Fares - I can respect that. But going off of that, logic should still be considered outside of just storytelling and character motivation.

Let's take another example from endgame, how Tony stark won. Now from storytelling and character motivation you just need a method for him to kill Thanos and his army while also killing Tony in the process. The infinity stones were just a logical method for doing that. But if we're only focusing on storytelling and character, you can say he turned supersaiyan and had a heart attack afterwards. Same result for storytelling and character, but it goes against all previously established rules.

Same goes here. And it's not even like this scene couldn't have been done better to account for the rules they set for time travel. Just have banner flip the switch of the time pad and we see old man Steve appear. Everything would've worked the same way for story and character, but it'd make more sense.

It's not even like we want this to make sense according to real world science. Just on the rules they established.
Doomsday8888
Doomsday8888 - 7/27/2021, 3:26 AM
LMFAO, how is it that when it comes to Steve, suddenly everyone starts bending their rules? :P

Sooner or later you'll have to give an answer and if we have to wait to see Old Man Steve again, so be it.

Although shit is very convenient, i'd say it was all part of Kang's masterplan and what happened...happened because of him, which doesn't make much sense i guess (not if you want to preserve a singular timeline) but in the same vein, how can you state that the Avengers were meant to do what happened WITHOUT having Loki free to do what he pleases????

The problem with the Loki tv series is that it ACTUALLY doesn't tell you if the MCU is a deterministic universe (for good and obvious reasons, that's why they are having all these meetings about the Multiverse) and even if it is, how did Kang achieve this f*cking feat???

If Kang is the ultimate Uatu/Watcher then: Who Watches the Watchman?
Who dictates HIS actions? That's why it's more likely that the MCU ain't a deterministic universe.

But the sacred timeline is a different story, that COULD -in fact- have been a product of Kang's doing.
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