SHE-HULK: ATTORNEY AT LAW VFX Issues Blamed On "Half-Baked Scripts" As The Show's Budget Is Revealed

SHE-HULK: ATTORNEY AT LAW VFX Issues Blamed On "Half-Baked Scripts" As The Show's Budget Is Revealed

New details have emerged about She-Hulk: Attorney at Law's VFX issues, with the blame laid at the feet of...Marvel Studios President Kevin Feige?! Find more details about that, and the show's budget, here.

By JoshWilding - Nov 02, 2023 07:11 AM EST
Filed Under: She-Hulk
Source: Variety

At least some of the backlash aimed at She-Hulk: Attorney at Law appeared to have been a result of the titular hero being, well, a "she." However, there were also some very valid complaints about the quality of the Disney+ TV show's visual effects, particularly in the second half of the season. 

Variety has now shed new light on what went wrong, revealing that Disney CEO Bob Iger was "apoplectic" about Marvel Studios' widespread VFX troubles upon his return to the company. 

That was at least part of the reason Victoria Alonso ended up being fired, with Disney "incensed that quality control on its Marvel productions was plummeting, particularly on the ever-expanding TV front." The pandemic also didn't help matters, of course, and neither did the fact Marvel Studios had essentially doubled or tripled its output of content post-Infinity Saga.

The trade reveals that many final effects for both She-Hulk and WandaVision were added after their respective streaming debuts, and while much of the blame continues to be laid at Alonso's feet, it seems the issues run deeper than that. 

A lack of oversight on script development has caused a lost list of problems, including a last-minute decision to shift She-Hulk's origin story from the eighth episode to the premiere. That left VFX artists scrambling to finish the scenes in time. 

"The so-called bad VFX we see was because of half-baked scripts," an unnamed person involved with the show tells the site. "That is not Victoria. That is Kevin. And even above Kevin. Those issues should be addressed in preproduction. The timeline is not allowing the Marvel executives to sit with the material."

All this had done little to help Marvel Studios' bottom line with an episode of She-Hulk costing as much as $25 million (significantly more than an episode of Game of Thrones during its final season, for example). 

Thankfully, these are problems which the MCU's head honchos are addressing, something that's evident from Loki. The visuals in that series have been flawless thus far, making it feel like a return to form for the beleaguered studio. 

She-Hulk: Attorney at Law follows the hero as she navigates the complicated life of a single, 30-something attorney (Tatiana Maslany) who also happens to be a green 6-foot-7-inch superpowered hulk.

The nine-episode series welcomes a host of MCU vets, including Mark Ruffalo as Smart Hulk, Tim Roth as Emil Blonsky/the Abomination, and Benedict Wong as Wong. Along with Matthews, the supporting cast also includes Ginger Gonzaga, Josh Segarra, Jameela Jamil, Jon Bass, and Renée Elise Goldsberry. 

All episodes of She-Hulk: Attorney at Law are now streaming on Disney+.

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EZBeast
EZBeast - 11/2/2023, 7:46 AM
As someone who is legitimately watching game of thrones for the first time right now that is very [frick]ed up!
WarMonkey
WarMonkey - 11/2/2023, 8:27 AM
@EZBeast - You might want to skip the last season or 2 when you get there and just read about what happened and the fan response. But everything before then is well worth a watch and is excellent, and should get you excited to watch the Prequel show
EZBeast
EZBeast - 11/2/2023, 8:33 AM
@WarMonkey - I’m almost done with season 5 right now and have enjoyed every season except this one. Overall a very good show but have prepped myself not to watch season 8 as everyone has told me how poor it is.

I have also watched house of the dragon and loved it. It was what got me into GoT and found it superior to any season from thrones so far but there aspects like the red wedding and the battle at the wall which were jaw droppers.
WarMonkey
WarMonkey - 11/2/2023, 8:39 AM
@EZBeast - Ahh Ok so you are well on your way to having a great time! I wished I waited like you. I still haven't checked out the prequel cause the bad taste of the last 2 seasons are still fresh in my mouth. I will someday though.
EZBeast
EZBeast - 11/2/2023, 8:43 AM
@WarMonkey - it’s really good! The script it tighter and more coherent tanks to a smaller cast with less major stories taking place imo. The characters are great, looks beautiful, and definitely has potential. My only gripe is that there is a time skip that was awkward to get used to but not enough to cause for any hate imo. Solid 8/10
seakhan
seakhan - 11/2/2023, 8:52 AM
@EZBeast - Just finish all of GoT. The last couple seasons aren't going to kill you and, if you don't watch them, you'll always wonder if they're really as bad as the zealots say. Judge for yourself.
EZBeast
EZBeast - 11/2/2023, 9:04 AM
@seakhan - I mean I get that but if even remotely leaves a bad taste in my mouth I would be disappointed by the show always being tainted by the end. I have no issues skipping the final season and reading the books instead or just plain not checking out. I’m one of those who can easily stop watching a show at any point and especially when it begins to loose its appeal.
mountainman
mountainman - 11/2/2023, 9:44 AM
@WarMonkey - House of the Dragon is excellent. It won’t suffer the same fate as GoT since the story in the book has been completed.
mountainman
mountainman - 11/2/2023, 9:46 AM
@EZBeast - The time skips are done in House of the Dragon. The rest of the story takes place over about 2 years, so we will get the same actors and that linear story told over the rest of the show.

The time jumps were jarring in season 1, but in retrospect it was cool to get the level of backstory told that wasn’t done via exposition.
EZBeast
EZBeast - 11/2/2023, 9:52 AM
@mountainman - Yeah I’m okay with the skip now but the young queen was such a good actress and having her essentially be replaced was just a huge shock that it took time.
mountainman
mountainman - 11/2/2023, 10:00 AM
@EZBeast - The strangest thing is that some actors were replaced and others weren’t. Also, they didn’t make it clear enough how long the time jumps were every time.

I’m good with the cast we have at the end of the season. Also, the official Dance of the Dragons has begun! Season 1 was the prologue. The rest of the show is going to get A LOT crazier if they follow what happened in the book.
bobevanz
bobevanz - 11/2/2023, 10:08 AM
@EZBeast - were you frozen in a time machine? Lol
EZBeast
EZBeast - 11/2/2023, 11:09 AM
@mountainman - dude I can’t wait! Would you recommend the books? Yeah the skip was literally the only fault I had with the show and that was just because it took time to adjust to?
EZBeast
EZBeast - 11/2/2023, 11:12 AM
@bobevanz - I just never had the interest for it. Seemed like an over the top sex and under the top violence version of warhammer fantasy so I just ignored it. House of the dragon’s trailer got my attention though and after enjoying that I figured I’d give it a go. It certainly isn’t in my top shows ever but very entertaining!
mountainman
mountainman - 11/2/2023, 11:15 AM
@EZBeast - The Song of Ice and Fire series (what Game of Thrones is based on) is amazing. Unfortunately the author has stalled on completing it and who knows if he ever will. But the 5 released books are all great. Those first 5 seasons are mostly book accurate, but you do get a lot more detail in the books, plus some additional characters and storylines that had to be cut from the show. Even though it is incomplete, I would still say it’s one of the best fantasy series ever written. The author has such a compelling writing style.

Fire & Blood (the book that House of the Dragon is based on) is written like a history book rather than 3rd person narrative fiction. I tried reading it and had trouble staying engaged with it. The history is cool, but it’s just not my style of book that I like to read. I ended up doing it via audio book and found it much easier to follow. Overall a crazy story of the Targaryen dynasty. It starts with Aegon the conquerer and goes until a while after when this show covers. Probably like 150 years in total covered in the book, but still ends about 100 years before the story of Game of Thrones.
thobie1
thobie1 - 11/2/2023, 3:48 PM
@seakhan - I agree, people should judge for themselves. I finished the series for the first time recently and I anticipated hating the last couple seasons, but I didn't at all. I didn't notice anything different except for maybe the last couple episodes of the final season. It's just tough to end something that epic in a satisfactory way.
Repian
Repian - 11/2/2023, 7:47 AM
Marvel shows suck...
bobevanz
bobevanz - 11/2/2023, 10:09 AM
@Repian - most television sucks
MotherGooseUPus
MotherGooseUPus - 11/2/2023, 7:50 AM
Get your house in order Kevin. Although sounds like it came from his Big Boss and there isnt much he can do with that... still... this doesnt surprise me but even with better VFX, this show was still pretty freaking bad. Need better writers and directors than worrying about VFX, IMO
mountainman
mountainman - 11/2/2023, 10:01 AM
@MotherGooseUPus - It seems like they might be trying to. Hopefully they learn the right lessons and course correct properly. It’s going to take some work to win back audience trust.
MotherGooseUPus
MotherGooseUPus - 11/2/2023, 10:07 AM
@mountainman - i hope so. I mean Loki S2 is a good example of this. The writing is crisp and good. Amazing what can happen when that comes first over schedule, budget and trying to pump product out the door to "make profit"
mountainman
mountainman - 11/2/2023, 10:11 AM
@MotherGooseUPus - I hear it’s good. Liked the first season. When I eventually get around to activating D+ for a month or two again I’ll check it out.
bobevanz
bobevanz - 11/2/2023, 10:11 AM
@mountainman - money, that's all they care about. The bottom line is getting washed away by the tide, thus this strike was a blessing. Plus their stock is at a three year low, before covid. Then you add a recession/stagflation next year and the majority will be unable to go visit their parks, which is their bread and butter lol
mountainman
mountainman - 11/2/2023, 11:06 AM
@bobevanz - If a really bad recession happens, people are going to be spending a lot less on all frivolous forms of entertainment.
MotherGooseUPus
MotherGooseUPus - 11/2/2023, 11:36 AM
@mountainman - soooo my honest opinion, which may not be popular. It's good, but, not great. Loki S1 and Wandavision are superior, imo. the writing is good, the acting is good but it's just missing something for me and i can't put a finger on it. this season is tense yet boring. it's all leading up to something but yet idc and i catch myself looking on my phone from time to time, i never did that with S1. Idk, i almost find it boring... yet it's still one of the better Disney+ shows. IDK how to describe it but, ill let you make your own opinion when you see it
bbting
bbting - 11/2/2023, 7:51 AM
half baked or not I enjoyed the show quite a bit. It was different than any of the stuff they had put out recently, it was just like the comics. Obviously not as good as some of the really good She-hulk comics but neither are any of the movies if we're being honest. The show was a slice of life style show, it was really annoying to see ppl bitter that she did a few things better physically than the hulk.
mountainman
mountainman - 11/2/2023, 7:51 AM
Terrible writing was a much larger issue than VFX in that show.
DevilsDreams
DevilsDreams - 11/2/2023, 7:53 AM
To me, the 'backlash' had little to do with the main character being a woman. Series like Ahsoka have shown that audiences can embrace and enjoy a female-led production when the character is well-written and compelling.

The Hulk's character arc was defined by his struggle in dealing with the consequences of becoming the Hulk—his uncontrollable rage, lack of control, and the challenges he faced over years. Bruce Banner's journey from the initial lack of control over his transformations to ultimately gaining full cognitive function as the Hulk was a narrative that spanned years, and it allowed audiences to connect with his evolution.

However, with She-Hulk, it felt like a missed opportunity in terms of storytelling. She gains her powers and seems to have an unusually smooth transition into controlling them almost immediately. It's not about her being a woman; it's about the storytelling that missed a chance to delve into her character's struggles, development, and the growth that would have made the character more relatable and engaging. The best characters, regardless of their gender, are those with depth, and it felt like She-Hulk's story could have explored her journey in a more meaningful way.

I guess with a lack of oversight and last minute changes, it could go a way to explain why the VFX were not great, but VFX aside the series just wasn't great.





KennKathleen
KennKathleen - 11/2/2023, 8:09 AM
@DevilsDreams - ?si=e7wAzZLlSPzqu5Y1
UncleHarm1
UncleHarm1 - 11/2/2023, 9:52 AM
@DevilsDreams - Since when is Ahsoka well written and compelling?? People's #1 complaint about the show is that she has no personality besides crossing her arms and looking stoic
DevilsDreams
DevilsDreams - 11/2/2023, 10:22 AM
@UncleHarm1 - Well I'd say it was better written than She-hulk at least, there was some development, she faced some problems which in part were with herself (rather than "the patriarchy") that she had to overcome.

I think my main criticism of She-Hulk still stands.

JDL
JDL - 11/2/2023, 3:56 PM
@DevilsDreams - Different fan bases. At the heart of the MCU are comics readers who started reading as 12 year old boys. They feel OWNERSHIP of the MCU and easily get their panties in twist. Star Wars fans are a much larger and diverse group and not nearly as childish. As always YMMV.
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