Devery Jacobs Reveals Whether There's Any Link Between WHAT IF...?'s Kahhori And Her ECHO Character

Devery Jacobs Reveals Whether There's Any Link Between WHAT IF...?'s Kahhori And Her ECHO Character

Reservation Dogs star Devery Jacobs already has two MCU roles as What If...?'s Kahhori and Echo's Bonnie, but is there a link between them? The actress has weighed in on that and her recent Marvel debut...

By JoshWilding - Dec 28, 2023 11:12 AM EST
Filed Under: What If
Source: Collider

What If...? season 2 has been receiving a largely positive response from fans since it launched on December 22, but it's "What if... Kahhori Reshaped The World?" that appears to be receiving the lion's share of praise. 

Presented in the Mohawk language (there's also an English version for anyone who isn't a fan of subtitles), it introduces us to Kahhori, an original character who gives the MCU an awesome new Native American superhero. With Echo also on the horizon, the timing couldn't be better, and Marvel Studios has rightly received a lot of praise for its authentic and respectful portrayal of Kahhori and her people.

Someone familiar with both MCU projects is actress Devery Jacobs. She lends her voice to Kahhori in What If...? and plays Bonnie, a character with important links to Maya Lopez's childhood, in Echo

Talking to Collider, Jacobs revealed whether she'd like to bring Kahhori to life in live-action. 

"I have been really fortunate to play the character Bonnie in the new Echo series. I don't know, they've brought other people back in multiple roles," the Reservation Dogs star said. "So I leave that up to the higher-ups at the MCU. But I just love this character of Kahhori so much, and would love to be able to bring her to life, whether that's live-action, or whether that's through animation. I'll always be there for that."

As for whether the characters have any sort of connection - which is highly unlikely considering the fact they hail from different realities - Jacobs added, "I think it was a coincidence. It was funny, when I originally got involved with What If…?, it was long before ever auditioning, or knowing that Echo was going to be a project, or that I would be auditioning for it."

"I think the connective tissue between 'What If... Kahhori Reshaped the World?' and between Echo is the use of language," she continued. "In both of them, there was a lot of homework involved. There was a lot of studying and making sure that I was getting the languages right. Obviously, that's Mohawk for What If…?, but then for Echo, I had to learn American Sign Language."

It's great to see an actress like Jacobs get to bring this level of representation to a franchise like the MCU and, based on how Kahhori's episode ended, something tells us we haven't seen the last of her. You can read our recap of "What if... Kahhori Reshaped The World?" here.

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DocSpock
DocSpock - 12/28/2023, 11:31 AM

I like her. I think she is a good actress.

comicfan100
comicfan100 - 12/28/2023, 11:35 AM
I think we're going to see more of her outside this series. I wouldn't be surprised if she ends up playing her in live-action.
TheFinestSmack
TheFinestSmack - 12/28/2023, 11:36 AM
I was wondering if there would be any big REVEALS today...
DrReedRichards
DrReedRichards - 12/28/2023, 11:37 AM
Still mind-blown over the fact that they chose to go full Mohawk with the language.



Like, wow... Major kudos all around.
WhatIfRickJames
WhatIfRickJames - 12/28/2023, 12:24 PM
@DrReedRichards - it was a nice touch for sure and hearing the language was beautiful.

I would definitely watch more Kahhori. I would also love for them to do Dani Moonstar justice.
DrReedRichards
DrReedRichards - 12/28/2023, 12:29 PM
@WhatIfRickJames -

Moonstar, Thunderbird, Wyatt Wingfoot, tons of characters.
mountainman
mountainman - 12/28/2023, 1:31 PM
@DrReedRichards - I’m always partial to Warpath over Thunderbird, simply because I have read many more stories with him in it. But Moonstar is the number one Native American hero I want to see adapted well.
DrReedRichards
DrReedRichards - 12/28/2023, 1:37 PM
@mountainman -

I brought up Thunderbird because Warpath had already appeared in Days Of Future Past, but you're right, Moonstar is above both of them.

Which reminds me, I've yet to watch New Mutants.
mountainman
mountainman - 12/28/2023, 2:34 PM
@DrReedRichards - New Mutants wasn’t the worst thing in the world, but the only of the main cast that impressed was Ilyena. The girl that played Moonstar was an actor with no experience and it showed.
Polaris
Polaris - 12/28/2023, 4:21 PM
@DrReedRichards - if only they had researched everything else as well at this...
DrReedRichards
DrReedRichards - 12/28/2023, 4:39 PM
@Polaris -

With a big part of Shang-Chi speaking Mandarin Chinese and both Black Panther movies having a great deal of Xhosa, I can't quite say they haven't done their homework.
Polaris
Polaris - 12/28/2023, 4:50 PM
@DrReedRichards - About those cultures, yes, but I meant in this episode and how they don't give a shit about the way they protrait the spanish. It was all wrong
DrReedRichards
DrReedRichards - 12/28/2023, 4:59 PM
@Polaris -

You mean the Conquistadors? I think they're meant to be portrayed as the villains in this, as is the story with every conquering nation.

Ask the Greeks, and the enemies were the Turks.
Ask the Balkans, and the enemies were the Greeks.

Everyone's a villain in someone else's story.
Polaris
Polaris - 12/28/2023, 5:18 PM
@DrReedRichards - But they didn't conquer that part of America, it was the english and the french. They chose to make them the villains for no reason (other than classic hollywood propaganda about how the english weren't as bad. The one thing missing was the inquisition lol) And the court? Terrible. The queen was dressed like she was her great-great-grandaughter. It was super lazy. As a historian I was appalled
DrReedRichards
DrReedRichards - 12/28/2023, 5:24 PM
@Polaris -

I don't know enough about that side of history, so I'll gladly take your word for it. I apologize if I came across as doubtful.

As for historical inaccuracies, I just bumped into a commercial on TV that played Vivaldi while showing a Da Vinci painting, so I can somehow sympathize with the cringe. 😅
Polaris
Polaris - 12/28/2023, 5:49 PM
@DrReedRichards - Don't worry. That's the problem with this kind of thing, most people see it and they think it's true. I'm sure it has happened to me with other cultures/time periods I know less about.

For context, this is how the queen looks in the show, in reality and then her great-great-granddaughter:



This bothers me less than the other stuff, but it shows how little they care about accuracy
Apophis71
Apophis71 - 12/28/2023, 7:04 PM
@Polaris - To be fair they did give a reason for the Spanish to go somewhere historically they didn't as far as I'm aware as in stories of the Magic Lake which circles around to a quest for the fountain of youth...

...other aspects of the Spanish being wrong, fair to critique, but specificaly going somewhere they didn't as there is something there they may have heard tales of in that what if universe that wasn't in ours...

Could have had the English or French turn up instead I guess but timeline and nature of that may have been considered and figured the Spanish Conquistadors fitted a villain role better within the fountain of youth context. Most attribute that more as a Spanish obsession as opposed to the British more associated with the holy grail for instance and in regards to America more the UK and France settling there at first rather than pillaging (even if plenty of that would have gone on too).

I do however get how Hollyweird oft doesn't care about accuracy with certain Euro cultures and using them as villains whilst downplaying the bad acts at times of others. That said Hollyweird oft gets a LOT about the UK wrong and play into the worst stereotypes or go for OTT outfits for visual effect even when not historicaly accurate and not like they haven't covered some of the worst stuff we've done in History at times (noteably with the whole war of indepenance obviously but not exclusively).
Polaris
Polaris - 12/28/2023, 7:27 PM
@Apophis71 - The gave that reason, but the truth is that "the Spanish Conquistadors fitted a villain role better" as you said, but not only in that context, but simply because they're seem as the worst, most evil kind of colonizers, and since this is an alternate universe, they had the perfect excuse... but it's still that, an excuse. The lake didn't even need to be linked to the fountain of youth, it could have been some other leyend. It was a choice, which is what pisses me off.

"Using them as villains whilst downplaying the bad acts at times of others" exaclty.

I agree about how they also get the UK wrong (I watch a lot of period dramas and it's often terrible) and ofc if they're in a context of being the enemy of the USA then they're portrayed as evil. But I think that when it comes to the UK there's also a lot of positive portrayals and in Marvel's case, many british characters as heroes, but every single time something about Spain comes up is always this or the inquisition (and sometimes bullfighting) and it's very tiring. Like, you want conquistadores in Wakanda Forever, ok, it makes sense, but they went out of their way to put them here.
Apophis71
Apophis71 - 12/29/2023, 5:06 AM
@Polaris - Oh I totaly get you with all of that, no argument over any of it :D
Apophis71
Apophis71 - 12/28/2023, 11:42 AM
Considering Echo is Cheyenne and Kahhori Mohawk I would be surprised they make a direct bloodline connection but not impossible I suppose but seems a daft question to ask the actor as if there were unlikely to answer and if non stated yet she wouldn't know...

Devery is Mohawk so is possible her character in Echo will be of or at least part descendent of Kahhori's tribe but then would the writers on Echo have even have been looped in on a What if original character?

...but then asking daft questions unlikely to get an answer to seems common these days or at least what articles seem to circle in on rather than the questions the actors do have solid answers/responses to.
GeneralZod
GeneralZod - 12/28/2023, 12:06 PM
"Introducing Kahhori, the first Mohawk superhero." The U.S. Department of the Interior recognizes 574 Indian Nations (variously called tribes, nations, bands, pueblos, communities and native villages) in the United States.

So, with Echo being Cheyenne, is it two down, 572 more to go?
ProfessorWhy
ProfessorWhy - 12/28/2023, 12:09 PM
@GeneralZod - bring back the original Thunderbird
comicfan100
comicfan100 - 12/28/2023, 12:13 PM
@ProfessorWhy - Thunderbird has been back for over a year now.
ProfessorWhy
ProfessorWhy - 12/28/2023, 12:31 PM
@comicfan100 - I thought we were talking MCU, as it's an MCU article on a comic book movie site. Thanks for the heads up tho
comicfan100
comicfan100 - 12/28/2023, 12:45 PM
@ProfessorWhy - Usually when someone says to "bring back" a character, they had made an appearance prior. You can't fault me for assuming you meant the comics since Thunderbird has yet to make an MCU appearance.
ProfessorWhy
ProfessorWhy - 12/28/2023, 12:53 PM
@comicfan100 - I wasn't faulting you. I thanked you
ProfessorWhy
ProfessorWhy - 12/28/2023, 12:54 PM
@ProfessorWhy - also, he died, so ' bring back ' has multiple meanings.
In hindsight 😉
GeneralZod
GeneralZod - 12/28/2023, 4:24 PM
@ProfessorWhy - Ah, yes. He is Apache. So three down, 571 to go.

Then Marvel need to give us the first Malaysian superhero, the first Argentine superhero, the first Sudanese superhero ... gotta check those boxes.
JustAWaffle
JustAWaffle - 12/28/2023, 12:23 PM
There have been a few stinkers, but this season has outdone the first by far.
SonOfAGif
SonOfAGif - 12/28/2023, 12:28 PM
So it's just a theory but I believe that the Infinity Stones are manifesting themselves into Avatars since their destruction. The Scarlet Witch is a living reality stone, Loki is now the living Time Stone, and Kahhori is a living Space Stone. We are missing Soul, Power, and Mind. So I have a theory that the Infinity Avatars will be the ones to reshape reality to save the Multiverse from battle world and The Beyonder and reboot the MCU.
StSteven
StSteven - 12/28/2023, 5:48 PM
@SonOfAGif - Well that's one hell of a theory that hadn't occurred to me yet (also I haven't watched that episode yet), but it makes a LOT of sense, and if that's what Marvel has in plan as a way of "rebooting" the MCU at the conclusion of the Multiverse Saga then holy shitballs that would be a great way of not only doing so but also connecting the IS with the MS AND potentially giving some of the older characters a way to "retire" (for now anyway).

So with that in mind, let me add some potential candidates to your list for the remaining stones:

1. Power: Peter Quill. Makes sense. Do we really think that his story ends with him mopping floors at his local DQ (from the "What If...?" episode) for the rest of his life? Not likely. In fact, he may get bored with all that and decide to explore his Celestial side and in the process discovers that he has the powers of the Power stone after absorbing it at the end of "GotG Vol. 1".

2. Mind: Vision/Wanda (but mostly Vision). This could be what they are planning to do at the conclusion of the "Vision Quest" show. Being as Vision originally had the Mind stone literally in his forehead for quite a while he likely absorbed a great deal of its power, he just needs to rediscover that (seeing in ming that White Vision is still in old Vision's body). BUT, being as Wanda's (mutant) powers were originally unlocked by the Mind stone, she undoubtedly has some of that still in her as well, even though she's mainly the Power stone now, like you said. So maybe this impending Multiversal threat (the Beyonder) is the reason that Wanda is resurrected AND she needs to reunite with Vision to unlock his Mind stone power. Definitely checking off some lingering threads here.

3. Soul: Natasha/Gamora (v1)/Red Skull: Either of these would make sense as they've all be in contact with the Mind stone, and each would come with certain possible benefits: Natasha would be given a plausible reason for being resurrected allowing BW Natasha to continue (if wanted); same with Gamora which would allow her and Peter to have their proper "Happily ever after" send off (if wanted); and Red Skull could return him to Earth to plague whomever the Cap is. Plus, having a (former but still probably) villain as one of the needed avatars for the reformation of the MCU guarantees that for as "good" as it might be, there will undoubtedly still be some "evil" in the souls of some creatures as a result.

Anyhow, perhaps I put too much thought into all that, but what you suggested really started getting creative juices flowing about how this could be handled and how it could tie up some of the older characters' stories with them finale achieving their own "glorious purpose".
TheRose
TheRose - 12/28/2023, 5:50 PM
@SonOfAGif -

Interesting theory! Do you any predictions for the final three?

Suggestions
Soul - Adam Warlock
Power - Sentry
Mind - Druig
TheRose
TheRose - 12/28/2023, 5:51 PM
@StSteven - your ideas for Quill and Vision are really interesting. I like these.
StSteven
StSteven - 12/28/2023, 6:12 PM
@TheRose - Thanks. Yeah, they have a little more "meat on the bones" than my ideas for the Soul stone, but I kinda felt like I was droning on long enough as it was. I'm sure that Marvel could come up with a more compelling reason why any of those characters I mentioned (Natasha/Gamora/Red Skull) could take on the power of the Soul stone (as they're the only MCU characters that we've seen so far to have been in contact with it). I suppose that if I had to pick one for the sake of this story it would be Gamora because it could be tied to Peter realizing that he had the power to resurrect her once he embraced his Celestial/Power stone side (which he would almost certainly do), but she would come back with the powers of the Soul stone. This would allow for her and Peter to, like I said, walk off into the sunset at the end of this as 2 cosmically-powered beings who may or may not show up in the future.

Remember that Gamora didn't choose nor deserve what happened to her with the Soul stone (i.e. Thanos throwing her off the cliff), whereas Natasha made a noble sacrifice and it would kinda cheapen that if she were brought back without a compelling reason, even if briefly. Likewise, the Red Skull got what he deserved and even though he has somewhat repented that doesn't necessarily mean that he deserves to return to his evil ways back on a modern Earth. So overall, if it were to one of the folks that we've seen interact with the Should stone so far, Gamora v1 makes the most sense to me.
comicfan100
comicfan100 - 12/28/2023, 7:29 PM
@TheRose - I don't know. I feel like the color of the stone needs to align with the color of the character's energy signature. Soul for Adam makes sense, but Sentry's energy is usually yellow. Druig, maybe.
mountainman
mountainman - 12/28/2023, 1:34 PM
Haven’t seen this episode yet, but of the first four episodes I have seen:

1) Peter Quill attacks
2) Nebula joins Nova Core
3) Tony Stark goes to Sakaar
4) Happy Hogan saves Christmas
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