THE FANTASTIC FOUR Director Clarifies Recent Comments About Reed Richards Leading The AVENGERS

THE FANTASTIC FOUR Director Clarifies Recent Comments About Reed Richards Leading The AVENGERS

The Fantastic Four: First Steps director Matt Shakman has clarified his recent comments about Mr. Fantastic (Pedro Pascal) being the man to "lead the Avengers."

By MarkCassidy - Jul 21, 2025 07:07 PM EST
Filed Under: Fantastic Four

The Fantastic Four: First Steps director Matt Shakman recently made headlines by appearing to reveal that Reed Richards (Pedro Pascal) will lead Earth's Mightiest Heroes in Avengers: Doomsday.

“He goes from being the nerdy scientist who’s locked away in the lab, to the husband and the father who’d do anything to protect his family, to the guy who’s leading the Avengers,” Shakman said of the FF patriarch. “I realized that the version we were building had to have all of those elements.”

Though some took this as confirmation that Mr. Fantastic will lead the Avengers in the upcoming MCU event film, others assumed that Shakman was simply referring to Reed's journey in the comic books.

While speaking to Screen Rant, the filmmaker clarified his comments.

"I was talking about Reed Richards in the comic books and how Reed Richards is sometimes the cerebral scientist. Sometimes he's off leading the Avengers, sometimes he's a father, a husband, whatever. So I was talking about him in the comic books and about how there are so many different aspects to that character. Somebody who is believably the smartest man in the universe, somebody who will jump into the action and be believable as a leader. And also somebody who has that emotional connection to their family. And that's why I was drawn to Pedro, such an incredible actor."

"So what he does in Avengers Doomsday is not for me to talk about, talk to Joe or Anthony," he added. "I was just talking about reading the comic books and how I was figuring out who could play him the best."

Pascal also weighed-in during an interview with EW.

"Matt was talking about a Reed Richards that, within the comics of the Avengers, the Fantastic Four are brought into the Avengers and Reed is commissioned to lead a mission, but that is different than what we're doing," the actor says. "So I think what Matt has said about Reed and the comic has been taken out of context."

First Steps also stars Vanessa Kirby (Mission: Impossible - Dead Reckoning) as Sue Storm, aka the Invisible Woman, Joseph Quinn (Stranger Things, A Quiet Place Day One) as Johnny Storm, aka The Human Torch, Ebon Moss-Bachrach (The Punisher, The Bear) as Ben Grimm, aka the Thing, and Julia Garner (Wolf Man, Ozark) as the Silver Surfer.

Ralph Ineson will play Galactus, and Natasha Lyonne and Paul Walter Hauser are also on board in undisclosed roles. John Malkovich's Red Ghost has been cut from the movie.

"Set against the vibrant backdrop of a 1960s-inspired, retro-futuristic world, Marvel Studios' The Fantastic Four: First Steps introduces Marvel’s First Family—Reed Richards/Mister Fantastic (Pedro Pascal), Sue Storm/Invisible Woman (Vanessa Kirby), Johnny Storm/Human Torch (Joseph Quinn) and Ben Grimm/The Thing (Ebon Moss-Bachrach) as they face their most daunting challenge yet.

Forced to balance their roles as heroes with the strength of their family bond, they must defend Earth from a ravenous space god called Galactus (Ralph Ineson) and his enigmatic Herald, Silver Surfer (Julia Garner). And if Galactus’ plan to devour the entire planet and everyone on it weren’t bad enough, it suddenly gets very personal."

The Fantastic Four: First Steps is set to hit theaters on July 25, 2025.

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Lisa89
Lisa89 - 7/21/2025, 7:27 PM
“Shakman! I mustache you to walk that back.”
DocSpock
DocSpock - 7/21/2025, 7:28 PM

If beta Pedro claims he is in charge, he gets the really naughty spanking from Sue that he craves.

Mongrol
Mongrol - 7/21/2025, 8:45 PM
@DocSpock -

A man who’s not afraid of good spanking is Alpha.
OriginalGusto1
OriginalGusto1 - 7/21/2025, 8:57 PM
@Mongrol - I'm in.
DocSpock
DocSpock - 7/21/2025, 9:33 PM
@Mongrol -

Hmmmm. I may have to rethink my position on this.
harryba11zack
harryba11zack - 7/21/2025, 7:31 PM
wat could have been
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Malatrova15
Malatrova15 - 7/21/2025, 7:33 PM
@harryba11zack - oh yeah
AllsGood
AllsGood - 7/21/2025, 7:35 PM
@harryba11zack - Thanks for sharing a picture of yourself.
harryba11zack
harryba11zack - 7/21/2025, 7:44 PM
@AllsGood - u tink im a Josh? damn! NGL, that one hurt, thats the worst insult you have ever given me
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WhatIfRickJames
WhatIfRickJames - 7/21/2025, 8:49 PM
@harryba11zack - the porn that no one wanted
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 7/21/2025, 7:33 PM
I honestly thought moreso that if this Doom is from their universe or a variant of the character even , Reed would be “leading” the Avengers in terms of being their source of knowledge against Victor since he could know him the longest if they go with the college backstory…

However it makes sense that he was talking about Reed’s comic book history more than anything else.

Anyway i was unsure about Pedro’s casting when he was first announced but as I have seen more and heard Shakman’s comments about the version of Reed that he wanted , i have been liking the performance & iteration already!!.

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Apophis71
Apophis71 - 7/21/2025, 7:43 PM
@TheVisionary25 - Also however, if he was looking for an actor that could play a Reed who COULD lead a team like Avengers that doesn't sound like his version of Reed wouldn't have been/be the lead of the F4. Thus undermining the idea Sue is the leader or if at any point she is a narrative reason why she temp takes on that role (which is also inline with the comics, she is never the team leader for long and only when Reed has a short term narrative reason not to be).

The 'this is what the comic tells me he should be' always seemed more likely as not that oft if ever a solo film creator is looped in on what the Avengers team is doing beyond MAYBE a can you slip this in or can you remove that kinda stuff which is why the setup end credits were almost always made by the ones making the film it was setting up.
Malatrova15
Malatrova15 - 7/21/2025, 7:33 PM
Do the wild
bcom
bcom - 7/21/2025, 7:34 PM
It just dawned on me that this weekend will be the first time ever that tentpole characters from both Marvel (Fantastic Four) and DC (Superman) will have movies in cinemas at the same time. Comic book nerds, this could be our 'Barbenheimer'!
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 7/21/2025, 7:41 PM
@bcom - that is crazy

Also both seem to have this classic superhero vibe to them which is cool!!.
dragon316
dragon316 - 7/21/2025, 7:41 PM
@bcom - many movies over lap each other it’s no big deal
bcom
bcom - 7/21/2025, 7:45 PM
@Lisa89 - I am aware that Marvel and DC have had movies released in the same months in the past, but I'm referring to significant tentpole characters. The Fantastic Four and Superman are marque characters for both brands.
Apophis71
Apophis71 - 7/21/2025, 7:47 PM
@bcom - Which with the Euro's football group stage last week, the weather issues then and most Schools across Europe only breaking up this week (as in today or tomorrow) makes me wonder if a lot of families were planning a double bill this weekend/after payday hence the lower than expected European OW for Superman.
bcom
bcom - 7/21/2025, 7:48 PM
@TheVisionary25 - Yeah. Both have that classic 'golden age' feel to them. I'm aware that Marvel and DC movies have released in the same months in the past, but these are two very significant movies from both DC and Marvel that you don't get too often in cinemas at the same time.
Latverian
Latverian - 7/21/2025, 7:37 PM
About as believable as Feige's "we were thinking of Doom before Majors f'ed up".
Apophis71
Apophis71 - 7/21/2025, 7:55 PM
@Latverian - TBF if they were not thinking about how, when and where they were gonna use Doom the second the ink dried in 2019 what the frack were they doing. I mean word was there was a lockout on Xmen with recasting for about five years but that wouldn't have been the case with Doom.

I am not saying they intended to drop Kang dynasty at all prior to the court case but maybe an intro there or F4 ready for Secret Wars always seemed fairly likely even before AM3, regardless how much or little they did with Kang in the two Aveners films as everyone and their dog were theorising in a multiverse saga Secret Wars was coming as the climax and cos he IS kinda important to the comics for that...
SpiderParker
SpiderParker - 7/21/2025, 7:59 PM
@Latverian - Well, it would make sense as they changed the ending of Quantumania.
Goldboink
Goldboink - 7/21/2025, 8:05 PM
@Apophis71 -
Once they got FF back it would have been malpractice not to start planning on Doom.
Latverian
Latverian - 7/21/2025, 8:07 PM
@Apophis71, @SpiderParker -

I agree that they always intended to introduce Doom, but to announce him as the big bad before even a tease? Not saying they were wrong to course correct. I'm saying maaaaaybe Kev should take it down a notch on the saving face BS.

They were applauded for recognizing their mistakes. Acting as if that was always the plan is at the very least nonsensical.
Apophis71
Apophis71 - 7/21/2025, 8:37 PM
@Latverian - Oh the comment reads as overplayed at least, the switch to Doomsday was deffo after the assualt charges and poor reception of AM4 but they also deffo would have been planning a Doom tease in F4 at minimum from the second they started an announced Multiverse Saga, as in likely before they completed filming of Quantumania.

Multiverse Saga always said to most nerds Secret Wars was coming after all and that always was likely to need F4 prior to it. The only REAL question is if/when they decided Doom needed to be in Kang Dynasty too not JUST an F4 tease in some way or if he never was when they switched to him being the MAIN antagonist in it and we're kinda playing around a grey zone on that score.
Laridian
Laridian - 7/21/2025, 7:48 PM
It's kind of annoying that EVERY little comment a director makes gets translated into massive news. Dude just randomly throws out that Reed will lead the Avengers and people take that to mean he's taking over and ousting all other possible leaders. He was just being flippant. Most people didn't think he meant anything meaningful.
ModHaterSLADE
ModHaterSLADE - 7/21/2025, 7:56 PM
Comes off as damage control because somebody let something slip they weren't supposed to. At any rate, Richards should be the lead tactician unless Steve Rogers shows back up.
SonOfAGif
SonOfAGif - 7/21/2025, 9:38 PM
@ModHaterSLADE - Out of all the Avengers that's left, Reed Richards should indeed lead the team.
ModHaterSLADE
ModHaterSLADE - 7/21/2025, 9:53 PM
@SonOfAGif - True that.
Sinner
Sinner - 7/21/2025, 8:05 PM
Reed’s gonna lead the Avengers
lazlodaytona
lazlodaytona - 7/21/2025, 8:24 PM
Question:
Why is the Silver Surfer a chick in the film? Is it like that in the comics too?

I enjoy Marvel but know little about it outside of HULK and Wolverine.
And I'm not dumping on F4 for making Silver girl-like; doesn't matter to me either way. I'm just curious if that aligns with the comics at some point of if Marvel studios decided to change it.

Thanks!
Latverian
Latverian - 7/21/2025, 8:29 PM
@lazlodaytona -

The character of Shalla-Bal as the Silver Surfer does exist in the comics, but she has a very minor presence. My guess is that they chose to make her this movie's Surfer since it takes place in an alternate universe outside of the MCU's main timeline, leaving them free to use the more recognizable Surfer of Norrin Radd as the franchise's main one down the line.
Apophis71
Apophis71 - 7/21/2025, 8:49 PM
@lazlodaytona - Simple answer yes, more complex one is the specific most well known alt timeline story majorly connecting Reed and Sue's Son to Galactus featured her as a female Silver Surfer, but if memory serves there were two Silver Surfers in that (Norrin too).

However the two characters were always lovers, she was always the ruler of his world but original/msin timeline he made the deal to save her and his planet. It was never unreasonable that in an alt timeline he tried and failed to save his planet another way and she made the deal to spare him and the planet she ruled instead in a what if scenario.

Most of all ultimately it leaves them completely free to keep the male one for 616 without playing the Variant card for him or merging her across to 616 AND we already had one Galactus comes to destroy Earth with Radd as the Herald so why not switch it up to counter expectations when it isn't on 616 (ie she could die in the film which would be VERY unlikely if using Norrin).
lazlodaytona
lazlodaytona - 7/21/2025, 9:07 PM
@Latverian - oh, ok. That makes sense. I appreciate the response!
lazlodaytona
lazlodaytona - 7/21/2025, 9:09 PM
@Apophis71 - dang. That is some in-depth, confusing stuff. I appreciate you taking the time to lay it out for me!
RaddRider
RaddRider - 7/21/2025, 9:58 PM
@lazlodaytona - She was the silver surfer in one issue of an elseworlds story.
TheNewYorkerr
TheNewYorkerr - 7/21/2025, 8:34 PM
I hope Pedro’s Reed is flamboyant and sassy. Cause he’s not giving genius.
TheJester187
TheJester187 - 7/21/2025, 8:41 PM
[frick]in hate that mustache.
Mongrol
Mongrol - 7/21/2025, 8:48 PM
@TheJester187 -

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