VENOM Director Ruben Fleischer Attempts To Address One Of The Movie's Biggest Plot Holes

VENOM Director Ruben Fleischer Attempts To Address One Of The Movie's Biggest Plot Holes

Love it or hate it, there's no getting around the fact that Venom isn't a particularly well-written movie and now director Ruben Fleischer has been quizzed about one of the movie's biggest plot holes...

By JoshWilding - Oct 11, 2018 12:10 AM EST
Filed Under: Venom
Source: Gamespot
Venom is a movie full of a plot holes but one of the biggest has to be when it becomes clear that no time has passed for Riot since he bonded with that little old lady in Malaysia despite the fact that we get a six month time jump for Eddie Brock after he's fired. Being bonded with the same host for six months should have had a greater impact on the Symbiote so how does Ruben Fleischer explain that?

The simple answer is that he doesn't; instead, he actually laughs it off as being a "necessary" plot hole! 


"Our idea was that Riot was using up the life force of whoever he took, and then he jumped ship when he'd consumed them and then find a new host to carry him further on his journey. That's a good question. That's one of our few - hopefully - few logic bumps. But we had to have a passage of time in order to show Eddie's downfall, and that was the one thing that doesn't entirely track."

That really doesn't seem like a satisfying explanation and the fact that the director was happy to release the movie with "logic bumps" and things that don't "entirely track" is mind-blowing.  

Fleischer then went on to reveal what Riot was doing all those months he was attempting to find Carlton Drake. "But I like to think that old lady was going around murdering all throughout Malaysia, and she was just having a good old time just shooting shards through different people in Malaysia.
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ChangAlang
ChangAlang - 10/11/2018, 12:36 AM
My wife and daughter enjoyed Venom. I know my wife saw it because of Tom😉
Manmarvel
Manmarvel - 10/11/2018, 3:13 AM
@ChangAlang - lol same here wife and step-daughter went with me for the same reason.
Legendairy
Legendairy - 10/11/2018, 12:38 AM
Is this real? He said those things? Yeah sounds like he just needed the film done and leas done right. It was good fun but objectively weird.
Origame
Origame - 10/11/2018, 1:32 AM
@Legendairy - not really. This is called suspension of disbelief. We dont realize that some of the greatest movies out there use them.
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 10/11/2018, 3:09 AM
@Origame - This is true. There tons of little things like this in movies that leave logical questions to be asked in films that really just seem to be overlooked by the writers and directors.

The Dark Knight: The Joker throws Rachel out the window of Wayne's skyscraper. Batman jumps out and saves her, then the scene just ends and suddenly it's the next day. Why didn't Batman go back in the building and catch Joker? Presumably he just left the Joker in that building with a bunch of innocent people, free to do what he wanted. Or, best case scenario, he just let Joker escape and walk right out of the building.

Logic bumps happen even our favorite films.
ArthurFleck
ArthurFleck - 10/11/2018, 3:31 AM
@CorndogBurglar - true. Very true.

I actually find it refreshing he owns up to it rather than supplementing on the spot head cannon like Zack Snyder has gotten into the habit of doing.

Granted, while not addressed in the movie I did notice it too and just figured the logical explanation was she was eating people to stay healthy while looking for a better host. Its already addressed in the movie that's how they stay alive and it's not exactly a stretch to fill in that blank yourself.

Some folks today want every second of a film to spoon feed them logical and easily reasoned story beats, but the thing about editing is you often need to trim the fat of a film to better pace the flow of the stories narrative. If people want 5 hour movies with everything addressed in a spoon fed manner, that's cool but I dont need that. I'm good with using my imagination to suspend disbelief and fill in the blanks they deem unnecessary.
Origame
Origame - 10/11/2018, 4:12 AM
@CorndogBurglar - soderberg even admits theres no answer when he was questions where the bags came from that the gang takes the money out with in oceans eleven.

Honestly, im not saying that plot holes should be entirely ignored (if a character is making choices that defy all logic then we cant connect) it seems like our culture is just stuck on the point that any plot hole is unacceptable. Even the plot hole i bring up in the mcu about heroes not helping or asking for help when its the most logical course of action technically isnt a problem with the individual films themselves since nothing about those individual stories involves the other heroes (except ragnarok). Its kinda like that speech in my cousin vinny. Of course there are inconsistencies if you look at them hard enough. These stories arent real. So if we naturally notice them, its more a problem of structure and engagement making us notice stuff we otherwise wouldnt.

But with our internet culture we are glorifying the idea of digging through movies for plot holes rather than enjoying them as is. For example i read about a plot hole in back to the future 3 that said while gas stations obviously weren't a thing in the wild west, gas was and would have been super cheap since it was considered a worthless byproduct. But lets really think about that...who knows this off of the top of their heads? Im pretty sure even historians would have to double check that. That plot hole can only be uncovered by going out of your way to research it. And at that point, wheres the fun? Especially since no one wants to watch a movie like that where they just fill up a car then go home.
Hoot3
Hoot3 - 10/11/2018, 5:16 AM
@CorndogBurglar - also in Civil War, Zemo goes off to Russia or wherever the other winter soldiers are. Meanwhile the Avengers fight in an airport and then Cap flies off after Zemo. Iron Man has time to get Rhodey medical attention and go to The Raft to talk to the imprisoned Avengers and then leave and gets to Russia around the same time as Cap... Timing doesnt make sense but it's accepted.
NinnesMBC
NinnesMBC - 10/11/2018, 12:41 AM
I had forgotten about that, tbh the majority of Riot's scenes at first are about jumping from one host to another until he got to the little girl so I did miss that detail in the time jump.

Personally I found it more jarring how Venom suddenly had a change of heart after re-bonding with Eddie when the last time they saw each other Eddie was happy to get rid of him because Venom was apparently destroying his organs as the tests showed, which wasn’t addressed either.
JourneyIntoMystery
JourneyIntoMystery - 10/11/2018, 12:41 AM
Didn’t like venom. It’s not Catwoman level bad, though.
rabid
rabid - 10/11/2018, 12:52 AM
Ruben didn't write the movie, so maybe the writers know the answer. But in the comics, symbiotes can smell a perfect host body. With an imperfect host, they will drive the person insane and use them up. They seek out hosts with overactive pancreas. That's why Spider-Man makes a good host. Eddie is better than most humans, but Venom still ends up giving him pancreatic cancer.
I just logically presumed that Riot was seeking out viable hosts, so I don't really see how its a plot hole.
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 10/11/2018, 3:17 AM
@rabid - But if they don't explain that in the film then it is a plot hole. If you have to assume everything you just said because that's how it is in a different form of media, then it isn't an explanation of what happened in the film.
newhire13
newhire13 - 10/11/2018, 4:51 AM
@CorndogBurglar - They did say they need a suitable host or the host and symbiote will die. They said it when they were running tests on the “volunteers”. Granted they didn’t say what makes a suitable host but they did establish the rule. It’s weird to me that people call that out even though they addressed it.
rabid
rabid - 10/11/2018, 7:10 AM
@CorndogBurglar - It's really only a plot hole it can't be logically deduced by the average person. Once they introduced the concept that some humans made better long term hosts, it made sense. We also are told by Venom that Riot is the strongest among them and has the biggest bag of tricks, so one could also assume that he's more skilled at survival.
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 10/11/2018, 1:13 PM
@newhire13 - Yeah I haven't seen it yet. Just going off of the comment I responded to.
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 10/11/2018, 1:15 PM
@rabid - Gotcha. I haven't seen the movie yet, in was just going off of your comment that was only mentioning the comics.

But if it is addressed in the movie to some degree then yeah, I agree with you.
Santanaonfire
Santanaonfire - 10/11/2018, 12:56 AM
I assume both bad editing and poor script. Was it really “necessary” to show a 6 month time jump to depict Eddie’s downfall? Probably not. If so, in my opinion, they should have had old lady Riot show up and easily get defeated by Venom due to a weak/weakened host, only for riot to regroup into a stronger host in Drake and give Venom more of a fight. I feel like that would have worked a lot better. But hey, we all know the script was not good. Still a fun movie over all.
rabid
rabid - 10/11/2018, 1:05 AM
@Santanaonfire - I figured the 6 month jump was for two other reasons also. To give Riot time to find out where they were taken, and to give Drake time to research them in animal trials.
99OPTIMISTPRIME
99OPTIMISTPRIME - 10/11/2018, 12:57 AM
Ruben Fleischer:
ARMUS
ARMUS - 10/11/2018, 1:03 AM
All these movies have plot holes, Thor Ragnarok-Hulk can fly a Quinn jet, Hulk can fly a Quinn jet to another star system, light years away, Hulk can find a planet with life on it, Hulk becomes Stone Cold Steve Austin, Avengers Infinity War, Thor is flying around in open space for days, weeks alive until the Guardians find him, alive, Rocket happens to have an eyeball handy, Everyone turns to dust instantly but SpiderMan goes on and on, and on for emotional impact, a million ways they could've taken the glove from Thanos, but didn't, dimensional gate ways and so on, Black Panther, Hubby wanting to kill wife out of nowhere( but but its in a deleted scene, or extended edition) not theatrical. The first guy Kilmonger meets is the one guy willing to help him in Wakanda, with millions of people, Kilmonger complaining about Wakanda being greedy, taking the plant serum then destroying it, instead of sharing it, doing exactly what he complained about himself. All these films have plot holes, pointing out one film for it is ridiculous, either you embrace all of them and enjoy them anyway or complain about all of them.
ARMUS
ARMUS - 10/11/2018, 1:13 AM
@ARMUS - forgot about Valkyrie, Valkyrie was all " look at me, I'm badass" in Thor Ragnarok, helped save the day, was on the ship at the end, all " look at me, I'm here, I'm part of the team, not going anywhere " Avengers Infinity war happens, it takes place moments after Ragnarok, Valkyrie dissapears, everyone forgets she existed, Hey Tessa, is Valkyrie alive.....,ah sure, how, well ah,...she ran away....sure..that's it...she ran away....how?.....ah....she flushed herself down the toilet....survived in space for weeks like Thor, that's it.........in other words, plot hole....but fun film.
BraveNewClunge
BraveNewClunge - 10/11/2018, 1:22 AM
@ARMUS - u take that back!! U take it all back!!

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