10 Huge New DARK PHOENIX Reveals From Writer And Director Simon Kinberg - SPOILERS

10 Huge New DARK PHOENIX Reveals From Writer And Director Simon Kinberg - SPOILERS

There's a lot of mixed feelings about Dark Phoenix but Simon Kinberg has now addressed many concerns, while also commenting on the Fox/Disney merger, a new take on Cyclops, and The Last Stand's problems...

By JoshWilding - Oct 08, 2018 02:10 AM EST
Filed Under: Dark Phoenix
Source: Collider
The first trailer for Dark Phoenix received a mostly positive response but there are an awful lot of fans who simply aren't interested in seeing writer and director Simon Kinberg get another shot at the "Dark Phoenix Saga." However, in a lengthy new interview with Collider, the filmmaker has shed a lot more light on what we should expect from the Marvel Comics adaptation which is released next June.

He's addressed everything from the running time to which year the movie takes place in, not to mention the reshoots and whether or not we'll see those popular X-Men: Apocalypse costumes.

There are some minor spoilers for Dark Phoenix here and it definitely sounds like Kinberg is taking the right approach to retelling this story on the silver screen for
a second time. So, to check out these new comments and details from him, all you guys have to do is click on the "View List" button down below.

A Fresh Take On Scott Summers/Cyclops



Comic book fans have always been somewhat dissatisfied with how Cyclops has been portrayed on the big screen and it sounds like Kinberg has actually made a conscious effort to address that in this movie. "Jean and Cyclops are a couple in the film," he confirms. "Scott will take much more of a leadership role than he has in previous movies. He's not as much of a boy scout as he was."

He also notes that Scott will be central to the main story because of his relationship with Jean Grey.
 

When Dark Phoenix Takes Place



The timeline of these X-Men movies makes absolutely no sense and after taking us to the 80s in X-Men: ApocalypseDark Phoenix will land in the 90s. Now, Kinberg has confirmed that this adventure takes place nine years after that movie meaning the team has presumably gained quite a bit of experience. 

Of course, that doesn't explain how old any of them are but we now know we'll be in 1992 here. 
 

Forget About Seeing The X-Men: Apocalypse Suits



At the end of X-Men: Apocalypse, the heroes finally got costumes which resembled those of their comic book counterparts. It was obviously a shame that they hadn't worn them in the movie itself but surely they'd have them in the sequel, right? Nope. Instead, Kinberg has gone back to the classic yellow and blue and he confirms in this interview that we won't see the Apocalypse costumes at all here.
 

The Movie's Running Time



Asked about the movie's running time and whether or not it's changed since those reshoots were ordered, Kinberg was vague but confirmed that the plan from day one was to have the movie land at around the two-hour mark. He said that it's not going to come in under two hours (which is always a bad sign for blockbusters) or at two and a half. Instead, they're looking at 2 hours, 20 minutes at most.
 

There Will Be Plenty Of Emotion



Asked what the focus of Dark Phoenix is, Kinberg says that the movie will focus on the "evolution" and "devolution" of the Phoenix and we'll be getting a "dramatic, intense, and emotional story."

That certainly sounds like the right sort of direction to take this movie in and fans will no doubt appreciate that Fox is bringing a certain level of gravitas to one of the most famous X-Men stories.
 

The Last Stand Regrets



Kinberg penned the screenplay for the much maligned X-Men: The Last Stand and, surprisingly, he believes that the mainstream audience liked it (it has a 61% audience rating on Rotten Tomatoes, so perhaps he's on to something). However, the filmmaker admitted that he still has some regrets.

"What I regret about it is that it's not the 'Dark Phoenix' storyline," he explained. "It's 'The Cure' story with Dark Phoenix as a subplot and it should have been the 'Dark Phoenix' as the main plot of the film." Kinberg went on to say that he believes the world wasn't ready for a dark superhero movie.
 

The Phoenix Will Be A Cosmic Entity



After seeing the trailer for Dark Phoenix, many fans have jumped to the conclusion that Professor X is responsible for Jean being made to forget a tragedy in her past and that's how she ends up turning "Dark." Well, Kinberg has now confirmed that's not the case and says that there's actually "a cosmic entity force that's more responsible for what happened." So, he' is sticking to the comic books then.
 

It's Business As Usual Despite The Disney Deal



Many fans have argued that there's no point in Dark Phoenix existing when Marvel Studios is planning to reboot the franchise. However, Kinberg confirms that as of right now, it's business as usual.

"Until the deal is completely finished—which has in principal terms been agreed to by the two boards but it hasn’t yet gone through the final approvals that go through the government. But until that’s done, Fox has to remain Fox and perform as it would as if it wasn’t up for sale. So for all intents and purposes, you proceed as business as usual." So, that's why they're working on Gambit!
 

What Those Reshoots Have Changed



As for those reshoots, Kinberg reiterates that they were needed to change the third act and then make a few changes earlier in the movie to address those. This sounds an awful lot like what happened to Rogue One: A Star Wars Story and, well, that ended up mostly being pretty damn good, didn't it? 

"Mostly we focused on the third act, both emotionally and in terms of the physical scale and the action of the third act that we adjusted," he explained to the site. "And then there were certain things in the first two acts of the movie—very few things, but to set up those changes in the third act we had to adjust some things in the first two acts so that that all was fluid and felt consistent."
 

The Questions Kinberg Couldn't Answer



This might mean a lot or absolutely nothing but when Kinberg was asked whether we'll see Jean Grey's classic Jim Lee costume from the comics, he chose to pass. He was also quizzed about the possibility of Magneto and Quicksilver finally addressing their familial relationship but wouldn't say a thing. That's long overdue but seeing as X-Men: Apocalypse ignored it, we probably shouldn't get our hopes up.

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sickboy76
sickboy76 - 10/8/2018, 2:55 AM
It's a real shame that some of the cast are pretty good and unfortunately they're signed on for the fox men franchise and not the MCU version.
Kumkani
Kumkani - 10/8/2018, 2:59 AM
Some things sound quite promising but I'm still not entirely excited.

I'm not sure why they've chosen to keep this grounded despite confirming Phoenix is a cosmic entity.
rabid
rabid - 10/8/2018, 7:56 AM
@BlindWedjat - Just a guess,but they said originally this was a two parter, and they also talked about going cosmic. I think they might have planned to go to the Shi'ar Empire in part 2, but when the film got smashed to one pic, they just lopped off the second half of the earthbound script and bumped up the ending.
Himura
Himura - 10/8/2018, 3:09 AM
I've been keeping an open mind about this film but his comments about why The Last Stand failed kind of has me worried...
CaptainElrond
CaptainElrond - 10/8/2018, 3:11 AM
@Himura - I think he is just saying his regrets. He is not wrong that dark phenoix was a subplot. Although if i were him i would regret everything.
Humperdink
Humperdink - 10/8/2018, 11:39 AM
@Himura -

I can't keep an open mind about X-men films at this point. How can anyone with it's history of disappointment and confusing choices? I have low expectations because that's what FOX earned. When they do get it right then they are rewarded but they often don't.
Himura
Himura - 10/8/2018, 12:24 PM
@Humperdink - Often dont? Most of their X-Men films have been good. Everyone seems to forget that. There have been 11 so far and only Origins and Last Stand were universally hated. Apocalypse wasnt great but it definitely shouldnt be categorized with Origins or Last Stand.
MaximusTheMad
MaximusTheMad - 10/8/2018, 3:24 AM
I have never given less of a shit about a cbm.

Ever.


Venom 4 life.
Doomsday8888
Doomsday8888 - 10/8/2018, 3:30 AM
On paper that sounds good, but the question is: will/can he deliver? :P

Also, i wasn't the biggest fan of AoU Quicksilver but they have to bring him back to life once we have Mutants in the MCU, especially Erik and Lorna.
You can't miss this opportunity.
CaptainElrond
CaptainElrond - 10/8/2018, 3:34 AM
@Doomsday8888 - Which means lorna in the gifted must be gone.

Doomsday8888
Doomsday8888 - 10/8/2018, 4:36 AM
@ThePeterCipher

I won't make that sacrifice!

It's time for them to ACTUALLY play with the concept of the Multiverse FTW!
CaptainElrond
CaptainElrond - 10/8/2018, 5:02 AM
@Doomsday8888 - If only magneto had a third daughter. Oh well.
Doomsday8888
Doomsday8888 - 10/8/2018, 5:09 AM
@ThePeterCipher
Actually... :P

She died tho, her name was Anya, i was going to say that only hardcore X-Fans know about her but...then i realized we even got to see her in Apocalypse by Singer!
Shit like this is what makes Erik such a tragic character. :(
CaptainElrond
CaptainElrond - 10/8/2018, 5:14 AM
@Doomsday8888 - Well she could her then. Or something i don't know. Actress is too good to waste. X23 and possibly the new cyclops should survive as well.
Doomsday8888
Doomsday8888 - 10/8/2018, 5:44 AM
@ThePeterCipher
I feel you, brother.
Fingers crossed.
slickrickdesigns
slickrickdesigns - 10/8/2018, 4:12 AM
So xmen 3 with outthe cure.. thanks for clearing that up.
GhostDog
GhostDog - 10/8/2018, 4:16 AM
The Phoenix Will Be A Cosmic Entity

Then what was this?
Spock0Clock
Spock0Clock - 10/8/2018, 4:36 AM
@BlackBeltJones - What does Hebrews mean when it quotes the Psalms about Jesus' resurrection: "On this day I have begotten you"?

Was Jesus really "begotten" at his resurrection? Or at the moment of his crucifixion maybe? Or perhaps at his transfiguration? Or was it at his baptism? Or at his birth, surely? Or was he a pre-existent being before his birth created sometime during the course of time. Or did he predate the origin of the universe?

Welcome to the Christology of the Phoenix. We should have it cleared up in a few thousand years.
Mattygrand
Mattygrand - 10/8/2018, 4:37 AM
@BlackBeltJones - my take is that she had previous contact with the Phoenix to a degree when she was younger and it left part of itself still within her laying dormant as she wasn’t yet ready to fully merge with it. This was brought out thanks to stress and whatnot while fighting Apocalypse and now it being unleashed even briefly has attracted the entity itself back to earth, probably sensing she is ready to fully merge and take control of its power. Just my two cents but that’s what makes sense to me.
StormXmen123
StormXmen123 - 10/8/2018, 6:28 AM
@Mattygrand - this is my thought process.

As she is destined to be the host, she is born wiht a small fragment inside her (Pheonix death and rebirth metaphor etc).

She has been suppressing all her life, but in Apoclpyse she yeilds and releases the power. This demonstrates to the rest of the force that she is not only willing to hold the power but is also she is strong enough to wield the power.
The force then travels to earth to to fully bond with Jean.
ArthurFleck
ArthurFleck - 10/8/2018, 8:57 AM
@Spock0Clock -
Humperdink
Humperdink - 10/8/2018, 11:43 AM
@Mattygrand -

Nice theory but we'd need to see that in the film in order for it to be fact. Otherwise, like many of the past films with ending scenes that were supposed to lead into something bigger, this is just another goof up do to a lack of planning and care evident in the FOX creative process for these films.
KnifeWasTooSlow
KnifeWasTooSlow - 10/8/2018, 11:46 AM
@Spock0Clock - He was a pre-existent being before his birth, John states: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. "The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth."
Spock0Clock
Spock0Clock - 10/8/2018, 4:24 AM
*That moment when you're breaking up with someone and pretty sure you'll never see them again, and you're weighing whether or not to offer pity break-up sex. And you decide not to because even if it would make them feel better, you honestly don't like them enough anymore to care about their feelings.*

Spock0Clock
Spock0Clock - 10/8/2018, 4:25 AM
Is that analogy too tortured? Because it's the only emotion I can muster about this franchise.
Walden
Walden - 10/8/2018, 4:26 AM
Not gonna see this movie. It's too late. I have no interest in Fox properties. They've been butchering the X-men for years. Even watching Logan made me angry because it was finally a good take on Wolverine after all these years and it was the last time we were gonna see him.
Curlyhairfro
Curlyhairfro - 10/8/2018, 7:14 AM
@Walden - I feel the exact same way. I left Logan pissed off because that was the Wolverine movie we should have gotten all along. What a giant wasted opportunity.
Himura
Himura - 10/8/2018, 12:27 PM
@Curlyhairfro - Wow, now I've seen it all. You guys are actually mad they made a really great movie. This goes to show there really isnt a way to please some of you.

Are you gonna be mad when the Marvel takes over and make a good X-Men film? I mean, going by your justification you would get angry because "this is what we should have gotten all along" right?
Whaley87
Whaley87 - 10/8/2018, 4:32 AM
"Comic book fans have always been somewhat dissatisfied with how Cyclops has been portrayed on the big screen..." Somewhat?? The poor guy has been totally fecked over.
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