X-MEN: DARK PHOENIX Producers Reflect On The Mistakes They Made With X-MEN: APOCALYPSE

X-MEN: DARK PHOENIX Producers Reflect On The Mistakes They Made With X-MEN: APOCALYPSE

While X-Men: Apocalypse may have been a box office success, it didn't exactly live up to the lofty expectations set by its predecessor. Now, with X-Men: Dark Phoenix, Simon Kinberg hopes to course correct.

By RohanPatel - Dec 08, 2017 08:12 PM EST
Filed Under: Dark Phoenix
Source: Entertainment Weekly
Last year, in the wake of the juggernaut that was Marvel's Captain America: Civil War, Bryan Singer's final entry in the long-running X-Men franchise, X-Men: Apocalypse, stormed into theaters at the end of the month to decidedly mixed reviews and ultimately grossed just over $543 million worldwide - which was about $200 million less than its predecessor, the critically-acclaimed X-Men: Days of Future Past, so in laymen's terms, it wasn't good news.

After that assuredly disappointing result, the X-franchise seemed to shift their focus elsewhere with acclaimed spinoffs Logan and Deadpool taking the spotlight and The New Mutants also getting considerably more coverage than X-Men: Dark Phoenix, which quietly began principal photography in June and then neatly wrapped filming in October, on schedule, without much fanfare, which was a considerable departure from the much more hectic Singer sets the cast and crew had become accustomed to. 

After receiving our first look at Dark Phoenix earlier this week, Entertainment Weekly caught up with writer/producer-turned-director Simon Kinberg and producer Hutch Parker to reflect on the divisive Apocalypse and duo were quite candid with their responses as they reflected on the mistakes they made with the previous chapter in the saga. Kinberg quickly nails the heart of the problem, “I think we took our eye off what has always been the bedrock of the franchise which is these characters. It became about global destruction and visual effects over emotion and character.

Parker offers some additional insight, essentially admitting that the screenplay was still work-in-progress throughout production, which is never a good sign. He also adds that Apocalypse came at a time when the superhero genre was evolving into something much grander and unfortunately, at the time, they didn't have the foresight to evolve with it. "It’s always dangerous if your script is evolving while you’re shooting. Certainly, in hindsight, we all feel like the genre has been evolving aesthetically and tonally and that the film didn’t. There’s a lot that I think is very good in the film but, as a whole, it was struggling to find ways to coalesce, narratively emotionally and in terms of plot. Aesthetically, it felt sort of dated relative to an evolution you were seeing play out everywhere else. We learned a lot from that.

Going into Dark Phoenix, Kinberg's main focus was to rectify the errors he made on Apocalypse and hopefully work toward course-correcting the franchise for fans of the long-running series. "One of the things I went into this film wanting to do is obviously focus on the characters and give them real emotions to play and come up with a theme that would make it feel relevant and necessary in today’s world."


To cap things off, his Dark Phoenix star Sophie Turner teased his more grounded approach for the sequel but also hints at some pretty otherworldly action. “It is so gritty and there are so many fantastical things in this movie and we really wanted it to resonate with every member of the audience who watches it so we had to make to so real as well. You still get that sense of escapism when people start flying but there’s so much reality in it. I think it will really affect people. And the way Simon shot it — the majority of this movie is handheld, like Steadicam.” Kinberg continues and harkens back to his initial pitch for the sequel, “The reference images were a lot of real-world imagery. Everything from real disaster footage to what a real lightning bolt looks like when it strikes the ground. What I talked about with the performances and the photography and the visual effects is it needs to all feel organic and it needs to feel like it lives in our world to make it feel relevant again and not so heightened.

So, what do you guys think? Excited to see the Dark Phoenix rise? Sound off with your thoughts below!


Jean Grey begins to develop incredible powers that corrupt and turn her into a Dark Phoenix. Now the X-Men will have to decide if the life of a team member is worth more than all the people living in the world.

X-Men: Dark Phoenix features:
Director: Simon Kinberg
James McAvoy as Charles Xavier/Professor X
Michael Fassbender as Erik Lehnsherr/Magneto
Jennifer Lawrence as Raven Darkhölme/Mystique
Nicholas Hoult as Hank McCoy/Beast
Tye Sheridan as Scott Summers/Cyclops
Sophie Turner as Jean Grey/Dark Phoenix
Alexandra Shipp as Ororo Munroe/Storm
Kodi Smit-McPhee as Kurt Wagner/Nightcrawler
Evan Peters as Peter Maximoff/Quicksilver
Olivia Munn as Elizabeth Braddock/Psylocke
Jessica Chastain in an undisclosed role
Daniel Cudmore in an undisclosed role
Lamar Johnson in an undisclosed role

X-Men: Dark Phoenix hits theaters November 2, 2018


 
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MarDCel
MarDCel - 12/8/2017, 8:46 PM
I have to say, X-Men Apocalypse is my guilty pleasure. Come at me! 😤😤😤
Saga
Saga - 12/8/2017, 8:50 PM
@MarDCel - i liked it, only wished JLaw wasnt in it
Skrull
Skrull - 12/8/2017, 11:33 PM
@MarDCel - I feel a little guilty when I laugh at it. Not much, though.
PBIRD
PBIRD - 12/8/2017, 11:47 PM
@MarDCel - tried 4 times too watch it, can't finish. Not even once
Solarkalel85
Solarkalel85 - 12/9/2017, 1:04 AM
@MarDCel - I loved it
Starscream24
Starscream24 - 12/9/2017, 6:09 AM
@MarDCel - Come at you for what? "Guilty Pleasure" means you know it was crap but you like it anyway.
mastakilla39
mastakilla39 - 12/9/2017, 6:12 AM
@MarDCel - It's not a bad film. people only throw shade at it because it wasn't the x-men film they wanted. after dofp people wanted a more "mcu/spider-man homecoming" type of film, colorful costumes, fun, and cgi heavy 3rd act. Instead Singer gave us a culmination of the xmen franchise again and focused mostly on the 1st class characters instead of the new young x-men team people wanted. But X:Apoc was always designed to end the 1st class characters: xavier, mystique, and magneto's journey and only introduce the new x-men. As DOFP only ended the 1st xmen cast's journey: jackman, stewart, and mckellen.

X-Men:Apocalypse was meant to be the of end the 1st class's cast and only introduce the x-men. And this upcoming Dark Phoenix film is technically the start of a new trilogy focused on the new X-men.
AleSir19
AleSir19 - 12/9/2017, 8:10 AM
@mastakilla39 - My only problem with X-Men: Apocalypse is that it feels like an artificial product. That is for me the biggest mistake of that movie: That feel really cheap and the characters dont have an organic character arc.

It is like in Doctor Strange that you sometimes feel like you are jumping from one plot point to the next one?

Well for me that is the problem of "X-Men: Apocalypse" just that it feels worst. Because in Doctor Strange the main actors are great in their roles and you never begin to question the story.

Instead this movie feel sometimes like a mix of a bunch of things. Setups. Tones and different stories match together.

Like always we have a Xavier and Magneto conflict going on. Fassbender is strong like always.

But all the stuff of Apocalypse isnt bad. It is only alredy seen a million times before and made in a better way. That is all. But is solid stuff.

It is just the execution. The execution of this movie it is too cheap. That is all.

This movie had really good CGI and a solid story. But at the end of the day. That doesnt mean shit. Because the problem is that the characters are weak like hell and feel too forced.

You cant try to make us care about The New X-Men who are deeply underdevelop (Cyclops-Jean). While trying to make us care about the Old X-Men (Magneto-Charles-Jennifer-Hank) and trying to make us care about the villain (Apoc, Storm and the other two plot devices).

It just doesnt work. That has been always the problem of the Fox-Men. Their movies feel soo cheap between all that 180 million dollar productions. While at Marvel they find a way where even in their more artificial movie, they still have strong a relatable characters).

MarDCel
MarDCel - 12/9/2017, 10:43 AM
@Starscream24 - Lol. You know how people are nowadays.
Saga
Saga - 12/8/2017, 8:48 PM
Yeah i get what HeS sayin. After civil war, dofp, and even batman v superman apocalypse just felt generic. Like they didnt try anything different, just heroes fight the bad guy. The only exception was magneto's daughter getting killed, great scene hopefully dark phoenix goles back to dofp greatness
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