Thoughts On Avengers:Age of Ultron

Thoughts On Avengers:Age of Ultron

I know, another article on how awesome Age of Ultron will be, right? Wrong. Find out my honest to god thoughts below.

Editorial Opinion
By DannRamm113 - Jan 13, 2015 06:01 PM EST

Okay, so Avengers:Age of Ultron is on everyone's most anticipated films of 2015 list, usually only topped by Star Wars.  We've had two trailers, set pictures, toy photos, and interviews.  Surely we should know something.  Here is what we know:
1)  Ultron is the villain.
2)  There is tension amongst the team members.
3)  Scarlet Witch, Quicksilver, and Vision are joining in on the fun.
4)  Hulk vs Hulkbuster
5)  Wakanda will be visited in some capacity.

That, for the most part, is what we know about the plot.  With less than four monthes until the film, that is what we know about Avengers:Age of Ultron.  Honestly, that scares me.  We know more about Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice than we know about this movie.  Many are saying that this is "keeping the plot underwraps to avoid another The Amazing Spider-Man 2".  But here is the thing, there is a difference between saying too much and saying too little.  Also, a movie should have a plot to be teased.

Here is the synopsis for Avengers: "With S.H.I.E.L.D. destroyed and the Avengers needing a hiatus from stopping threats, Tony Stark attempts to jumpstart a dormant peacekeeping program with Ultron, a self-aware, self-teaching, artificial intelligence. However, his plan backfires when Ultron decides that humans are the main enemy and sets out to eradicate them from Earth, and it is up to Iron ManCaptain America,Thor, the HulkBlack Widow and Hawkeye, along with support from Nick Fury and Maria Hill, to stop him from enacting his plans. Along the way, the Avengers encounter the powerful twins, Pietro and Wanda Maximoff, as well as the familiar Vision."


That is what we know.  That is basically saying "The Avengers are fighting Ultron."  That is not a plot.  That is a log line that some executive was pitched.  We should know that there is a plot and stakes.  Not just that the heroes are fighting the villain.  And that brings me to my next point:  The Hulk vs Hulkbuster fight is so far the only real fight we've seen.


Don't get me wrong.  I've seen The Avengers fighting the Ultronbots.  But the real fight is the Iron Man vs Hulk fight.  That is the one that has been hyped the most.  That makes me fear that Ultron will receive the continued Marvel Villain experience and won't be the real threat.  He is already a robot that wants to kill.  How many villains like that have we seen in the past?  Marvel Studios should be trying to find a way to differentiate him from other robotic killers.  The trailers should be hyping him up, and how the Avengers are going to be struggling to stop him.  Instead, we get a few cool lines from James Spader, and a lot of sped up scenes of Ultronbots (I don’t know the real name of his “army”) some fighting, and mainly the Iron Man/Hulk duel.  I’m saying this here: if the final battle in Age of ULTRON is Iron Man and Hulk I am going to be pissed off, and probably, so will a lot of you guys on the site.

Other than that, I think that this movie will be filled with set up.  We’ve seen it happen before, a movie just being set up for an Avengers film.  But this time, and I hope this won’t happen, I think they’re using an Avengers movie to set up another movie.  And what is this movie?  Civil War.  The whole thing with everybody getting pissed off at Tony Stark will get overblown to hell and back, making it so that whatever causes the conflict between Captain America and Iron Man can happen for Civil War.  In other words, this movie will turn Iron Man, who has been the hero since Day 1, into the bad guy.  I mean, there are benefits to setting up some conflict early, but if this movie were to end with tension amongst the heroes and an unstable allegiance that would make sense.  But if this movie does what I think it does, it would mean that Civil War actually begins in this movie.  Meaning that the entire film, while probably entertaining, is just a trailer for another Marvel movie.  This happened already in Phase One with Iron Man 2 (and to a lesser extent, Captain America: The First Avenger), and in 2014 with The Amazing Spider-Man 2 and Sinister Six.  The point is, we don’t need a two and a half hour long trailer for Captain America: Civil War.   

So yeah.  That is my concern with this movie.  I think that the plot is going to be over bloated with set up for “Civil War” and “Phase 3”, which Marvel Studios has done with past films, and that the villain is getting overhyped and will be a letdown.  Am I wrong?  Possibly.  But I’m just saying, that while the first trailer was cool (I wasn’t too much of a fan of the second one)  I’m not sold that this movie will be great.  And I know people will say “Marvel is on a role with The Winter Soldier and Guardians of the Galaxy”.  Well keep in mind, The Russo’s and Gunn aren’t directing it.  They didn’t write this movie.  This is Joss Whedon, who directed the first Avengers (which was a good movie, not great).  You can’t judge this movie based on those two films.  If anything, look at the overall track record Marvel has with their movies, plots, and characters, and you will see something that you can use to judge this movie.  If you’re a die-hard MCU fan, more power to you.

Thanks for reading everybody!  If you enjoyed, thought I may have said something smart at one point, show some love and hit the red thumb!  Peace out.
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tokens
tokens - 1/13/2015, 7:38 PM
first!!
tokens
tokens - 1/13/2015, 7:39 PM
.....that's right fellas im first.
tokens
tokens - 1/13/2015, 7:40 PM
maybe that IS the plot of this film?
good guys need to stop bad guy before bad guy does bad things.
I mean... c'mon.
that's... that's comic books man.


...or at least... that's MARVEL comic books!!!
OOOOOOOOOOOO BUUUURRRRRRRNNNNNNNN
tokens
tokens - 1/13/2015, 7:41 PM
.....nobody laughed so im gonna cry
tokens
tokens - 1/13/2015, 7:42 PM
no jk i don't cry. i laugh.... while tears roll down my face...
tokens
tokens - 1/13/2015, 7:42 PM
...that's a disturbing image.
im sure you just pictured that.
and if u didn't then you just did now.
tokens
tokens - 1/13/2015, 7:45 PM
*morgan freeman voice*


ever since i was a little kitten,
people have enjoyed the sound of my humor.
my humor is everywhere.
in the stars, in the trees, down the streets,
through the traffic of cities!
allover the land, when i spoke a humor,
all the town would come to listen,
and laugh, loving this ball of fur.
tokens
tokens - 1/13/2015, 7:47 PM
man morgan freemans voice is amazing.
lets do another one.
they make me feel warm inside.
DannRamm113
DannRamm113 - 1/13/2015, 7:48 PM
@cinnamon

Okay, first off: i did laugh.

Second, good vs evil is not a plot. It is the oldest format for telling stories. It has worked, and will continue to, but it should never be the entire basis for the film. The Winter Soldier wasn't "Captain America has to fight Bucky Barnes". It included more about Cap's world breaking down and conspiracy. This is "Avengers must stop Ultron." Not a plot.
PAF
PAF - 1/13/2015, 7:52 PM
"We know more about Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice than we know about this movie"



If you say so...
tokens
tokens - 1/13/2015, 7:54 PM
dude u gai's--
wait..

wait let me get back in the voice..



*morgan freeman*


u guys, there is no plot here!
it is entertainment,
it is cgi,
it is popcorn entertainment from now on.
you need to accept this.
PymParticle
PymParticle - 1/13/2015, 7:57 PM
Well, this being Marvel and it already having happened once as you pointed out, I would not be surprised.

It would indeed be quite sad.. I've been trying to wrap my head around where in the movie this Iron Man vs Hulk fight occurs as well.
kong
kong - 1/13/2015, 8:09 PM
Why the hell do we need to know the plot? Who wants to know what's gonna happen in the movie before it comes out. This is the logline from the first Avengers film.

Continuing the epic big-screen adventures started in "Iron Man," "The Incredible Hulk," "Iron Man 2," "Thor," and "Captain America: The First Avenger," "Marvel’s The Avengers" is the super hero team up of a lifetime. When an unexpected enemy emerges that threatens global safety and security, Nick Fury, director of the international peacekeeping agency known as S.H.I.E.L.D., finds himself in need of a team to pull the world back from the brink of disaster.


Was this film all set up????
SauronsBANE
SauronsBANE - 1/13/2015, 8:10 PM
I find this fact continually proven true with each and every day that I spend on this website: CBM users have some of the weirdest, most ridiculous, most baseless 'criticisms' that you'll ever see.

Never change, guys. Never change.
TheRedCondom
TheRedCondom - 1/13/2015, 8:11 PM
We know more about BvS than AOU???


Failed attempt at trying to further prove your point.
kong
kong - 1/13/2015, 8:11 PM
You're worried that since we don't know a lot about the film it's gonna be set up, when the last time we knew a lot about a cbm it was nothing but set up...

DannRamm113
DannRamm113 - 1/13/2015, 8:13 PM
@KingNTheKong
Even that has more than the line to this movie

@SauronsBANE
"weirdest, most ridiculous, most baseless 'criticisms'"
So basically you're saying that if you criticize marvel then you're weird, ridiculous, and have no foundation? okay.
01928401
01928401 - 1/13/2015, 8:17 PM
Glad my comment was deleted. Fun.

He's not making it about Marvel. He's saying the same thing everyone else is: your points hold no ground.
DannRamm113
DannRamm113 - 1/13/2015, 8:18 PM
@TheRedCondom

1)We know that the movie deals with the end of Man of Steel
2)We know Batman is in it.
3)Batman and Superman will fight
4)We know that Lex Luthor is in it as the main villain
5)We know Wonder Woman is in it, as well as Cyborg in a cameo.
6)We know that this movie will lead somewhat into Justice League.
01928401
01928401 - 1/13/2015, 8:21 PM
1) We know that AOU deals with the end of Cap 2 (destruction of SHIELD)
2) We know Vision, Scarlet Witch, and Quicksilver are in it
3) Iron Man and Hulk will fight
4) We know that Ultron is the main villain
5) We know that War Machine is in it, as well as Loki in a cameo
6) We know that this movie will lead somewhat into Civil War
DannRamm113
DannRamm113 - 1/13/2015, 8:25 PM
@PietroMaximoff
Do keep in mind, BvS has over a year to come out, no trailers, and no set pics. Avengers has about 4 monthes
kong
kong - 1/13/2015, 8:25 PM
Bruh...it literally says that Nick Fury gets a team of heroes because there's a big threat.

The Age of Ultron one says that SHIELD is gone, the Avengers are on hiatus, Tony creates Ultron as a peace keeping program, Ultron turns in the Avengers, the Avengers have to stop him with help from Nick Fury and Maria Hill, and that we meet three new characters on the way.

In the Avengers one we don't even get the name of the villain. What's wrong with you?
01928401
01928401 - 1/13/2015, 8:29 PM
@dannramm13
That's not what we're discussing. We're discussing your invalid point about knowing more about the BvS plot over the AoU plot. I just proved to you that we know at least just as much. Based on everyone else's comments about Ultron's creation, Vision's creation, the Maximoffs' alliances, and so on, we clearly know enough about the film to get us excited for it but not enough to spoil the whole thing.
SauronsBANE
SauronsBANE - 1/13/2015, 8:30 PM
"He's not making it about Marvel. He's saying the same thing everyone else is: your points hold no ground."

Exactly. This isn't even close to being a Marvel vs DC thing. Do I even need to go into how ridiculous it is to base so much of this argument on a synopsis of a blockbuster movie? Please, guide me towards the film synopsis that intricately details the twists and turns of the actual plot. Hint: ALL synopsis's sound like vague, generic, studio-mandated paragraphs of blah.

Do I need to even comment about silly it is to worry about a movie giving away too LITTLE of the plot, especially Age of Ultron? Another hint: there's a guy out there named JJ Abrams who specializes in a "mystery box" and refuses to ever give out ANYTHING about his movies unless he absolutely has to. Compared to that, we might as well have already seen this movie.

Or how about the fact that you seem to think an AVENGERS movie (which is what the MCU revolves around) is going to be nothing more than a set-up for a Captain America movie? Or how you seem to believe that Marvel is giving away their final battle in the first two trailers for their movie? Or how you seem to think a movie called Age of ULTRON will end with a battle between Iron Man and Hulk? Or that you think we know more about Batman v Superman than this?

Again, nothing but baseless, ill-informed complaints. This has hardly anything to do with the studio logos involved.
TheRedCondom
TheRedCondom - 1/13/2015, 8:38 PM
@dannramm13

The point you're trying to make is pointless. You're assuming because it has happened in the past, that this film will only be a filler to another film coming out next year. Same assumption can be said for BvS. Your points have no ground. You want them to give you the plot within the trailers. Why? Why would you want to get spoiled like that. CBMs tend to give out too much with trailers. AOU isn't, which is great. We don't know what's going to happen. Why is it an indicator to you just because we don't know what's going to happen means it isn't going to be a great movie?
DannRamm113
DannRamm113 - 1/13/2015, 8:38 PM
@SauronsBane
I said "IF the final battle is the hulk iron man fight". Which is looking more and more likely. Look people, there is a huge gap between telling too much, telling too little, and telling enough so that you know the movie you are going to see is going to be [frick]ing awesome. TASM 2 did the former. TDK i would say did the later. And in between i feel is AOU. This is a fear of mine, because i don't want this movie to do bad, this is just me saying, based on the shit we've seen, this is how i feel the movie will go.
kong
kong - 1/13/2015, 8:39 PM
Adding to @PietroMaximoff's

1) Age of Ultron will be a global film, taking place on locations in parts of London, South Africa, South Korea, Italy and other various locations not yet revealed but rumored to be scenes shot New York, involving Avengers Tower, as well as fictional shots in Serbia and Russia.
2) With S.H.I.E.L.D. disbanded, the Avengers will now work as their own team, with Tony and Steve being co-leaders of The Avengers.
3) Kim Soo Hyun will be a scientist/doctor (and friend of Tony Stark), and will have a major supporting role in the film.
4) Ultron will have offspring/spawn in the film.
5) Ultron will evolve in the film, as hinted by Joss Whedon: "Ultron is someone who evolves, so we're going to get a couple different iterations".[44]
6) The film will have a flashback sequence set in the 1940s involving Steve Rogers, Peggy Carter, and Paul Bettany's character. The scene in question involves a ballroom (most notably, the Rivoli Ballroom in London England).
7) Thanos will have a presence in the film, as stated by Joss Whedon: "We have to stay grounded. It’s part of what makes the Marvel universe click – their relationship to the real world. It’s science-fiction, and Thanos is not out of the mix, but Thanos was never meant to be the next villain. He’s always been the overlord of villainy & darkness".[47][48]
8) Loki's Scepter will be featured in the film.
9) Tony Stark will create Ultron and uses an army of robot "drones" as a police force around the world.
10) Avengers Tower will be used for global security.
11) Tony Stark will use the Hulkbuster armor to fight off the Hulk.
12) Tony Stark is indeed bankrolling The Avengers this time out. With the dissolution of S.H.I.E.L.D. in Captain America: The Winter Soldier and it's subsequent "handover" to Phil Coulson in Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., Tony Stark takes on the role of global security by housing The Avengers in the former Stark Tower, now Avengers Tower (featuring the "A" on the building, as teased in both Captain America: The Winter Soldier and the end of The Avengers), where he funds new tech, new costumes, and even a new Quinjet.
13) Tony Stark has created an army of Iron Man "drones" (much like the Iron Legion) and uses them to "keep the peace". The Avengers are not in hiding or attempting to keep a low profile. They are very public and "out" about their intention of keeping the world safe, especially with the absence of S.H.I.E.L.D.
14) Tony Stark will be wearing the Mark XLIII (43), a suit with less gold on it than the Mark 42 in Iron Man 3, but still more than in The Avengers. The chest core reactor will be back to the circular shape, with The Mark XLIV (44) being the Hulkbuster.
15) All or most of The Avengers will be wearing an Avengers logo on their costumes, courtesy of the upgrade to each superhero's thanks to Stark. Black Widow will have 2 batons that have shocking ability as part of her new arsenal, Hawkeye will indeed be rocking the long sleeve jacket that is reminiscent of his comics costume and Hulk will now be wearing "stretchy pants" that grow and shrink with him when he goes back and forth between Banner and Hulk.
16) Ultron will be after State of the art technology from an IT Institute in South Korea and will lay waste to some parts of the surrounding area.

and much more.
DannRamm113
DannRamm113 - 1/13/2015, 8:40 PM
@TheRedCondom

The same comment above applies to you as well. If I don't know the plot of a movie, then it is plausable to assume that the movie has very little plot.
DannRamm113
DannRamm113 - 1/13/2015, 8:43 PM
@KingNTheKong
First, so much of that is a longer and more drawn out way of saying what we already know
Second, way to go on the wiki page for the movie.
01928401
01928401 - 1/13/2015, 8:43 PM
@dannramm113

That's the part of the article that makes the least amount of sense. Not only do we know plenty about the movie and that it does indeed have somewhat of complex plot (at least plenty moreso than the first film), but to say you can base the amount of plot off of the amount of plot you don't know? That makes absolutely no sense. None.
SauronsBANE
SauronsBANE - 1/13/2015, 8:44 PM
"I said "IF the final battle is the hulk iron man fight". Which is looking more and more likely."

Based on what, though? The fact that the two trailers have featured that fight? That practically confirms that it won't be the final battle. Marvel keeps a lot of things close to the chest, and I HIGHLY doubt they'd give away the final battle to their most anticipated sequel ever...in the first two glimpses that we ever get of the film. Age of ULTRON ending with a battle that has little to do with the titular villain? It's just patently silly.

I actually do get your point about showing too much vs showing too little...but the marketing of a movie has literally nothing to do with the actual quality of the film itself. There's countless examples of movies where the marketing was awful, and the movie turned out great. And vice versa. All anybody is trying to tell you in this thread is that it's way too early to be so worried about this, and especially for the reasons you mentioned. I would be willing to bet you any amount of money that when you do see this movie, you'll look back at this article and feel very silly indeed.
DannRamm113
DannRamm113 - 1/13/2015, 8:46 PM
@dethpillow
we don't know that so I can't be "totally off". And let's see. With the multiple rumors of Hulk's insanity and a break off from Tony throughout the movie, along with the whole thing about the ending being Hulk being shot into space, yup, looking more and more likely to be final fight.
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