Why Bruce Banner Is My Main Concern For THE AVENGERS: AGE OF ULTRON

Why Bruce Banner Is My Main Concern For THE AVENGERS: AGE OF ULTRON

Who didn't love Mark Ruffalo's take on Banner (and the awesome CGI Hulk) in Joss Whedon's first Avengers movie? Here, Highflyer will explain how the original film's best aspect might be a possible downfall for the upcoming sequel.

Editorial Opinion
By Highflyer - Sep 16, 2013 01:09 PM EST



It's been a good time to be a comic book fan. In recent years, superhero movies have earned a respectable place in cinema. We've had movies like Batman Begins, The Dark Knight, The Dark Knight Rises, Spider-man, Spider-man 2 and the list goes on. One of the gems of superhero movies has to be the Marvel Cinematic Universe.


For the first time ever, we were able to see some of our favorite superheroes live and breath in one world. A shared universe is something I always wanted to see. So you can imagine how badly I want to see Batman and Superman in the upcoming movie starring Ben Affleck (who I insist will be an awesome Batman).
So far, Marvel Studios have yet to have a truly terrible movie. Sure, they've released a few disappointments (Iron Man 2 and 3) but they've never made me lose hope in their ability to churn out good movies. So after establishing themselves as a force to be reckoned with by successfully pulling off the avengers, it's now time to face the next challenge. The Avengers 2: Age Of Ultron. However, as much as I am anticipating the sequel, I have one big worry.


WHAT SIDE OF BRUCE BANNER WILL WE SEE? .


Now before you guys start sharpening your knives let me say that I loved Mark Ruffalo's performance as much as I loved Edward Norton's. I think he was the best thing in the Avengers by far and I can't wait to see him again. But here's the thing... What part of Banner will we be seeing? In the Avengers, Bruce Banner's personality was zen-like and laid back which wasn't out of place because as much as I like Loki, he and his weak army were hardly threatening so Bruce walking in the middle of an alien invasion and calmly saying 'Well this all looks... horrible.' But something tells me that Ultron is going to be a real terror in Avengers 2, which makes me think that Bruce will be more serious than before. But that's the problem. For some odd reason, "fans" don't like to see Bruce Banner brooding, sad or pathetic which is weird since Bruce Banner is usually portrayed as one of, if not THE most miserable characters in marvel comics. We are talking about the same Bruce Banner who usually weeps all by himself after a hulk-out and rightfully so. In both the comics and MCU, it has been stated that the Hulk is responsible for a number of deaths;with some including innocent people. That must put a lot of guilt on Banner's shoulders. The mere thought of hurting somebody kills Bruce inside every single moment of every single day.

I've also heard a few people complain that he was portrayed in his solo movies as a p****. While I understand some fans distaste of Nolan's batman being a little too vulnerable or emotionally compromised at times, I think 'sad' and 'pathetic' are some of the staples of Banner's character. I for one will warmly welcome back this Bruce since it is the Bruce Banner I grew up with. When I was little, the only time I saw Bruce Banner, was when he would appear as a guest on a animated T.V show like 'Iron-Man' or animated movie like 'Hulk vs Wolverine' and for some reason, I found him a little annoying since he was whining all the time. But I soon came to realize why he was like that. I understood his grief and therefore, sympathized with him. I understood why in movies like 'The Incredible Hulk' Bruce Banner begged his enemies to stay away by saying, "You don't understand something really bad is about to happen here!"
Just because some find his sobbing and mopping annoying doesn't mean the actors are not portraying them right. One day, I read Kevin Fiege state that their main goal was to 'make Hulk fun again' and other people state, 'They finally made being the hulk fun.' But I don't think that is the way it is supposed to be because the life of Bruce Banner isn't "fun". I mean, we all love seeing the hulk smash things and kick ass but when it comes to Bruce Banner, the pure heart wrenching tragedy must remain.

Please remember that I am not bashing on Ruffalo in any way. The guy is awesome. He is a wonderful Bruce Banner. Is he the best? Well... when it comes to Bruce Banner I will love all portrayals. I simply believe the zen-like behavior was right for the circumstances he was in for THAT MOVIE. I just don't want him to remain like that should things get extremely intense and difficult around him. Like I've said a hundred times before, Bruce Banner has the traits of a real person. He constantly changes depending on his situation. Tony Stark practically stays the same throughout movies. He may be a little more responsible (excluding giving "The Mandarin" *ugh* his address). Both Eric Bana and Edward Norton have come under fire for being 'boring' (whatever that means) and I'd hate to see Mark Ruffalo being caught under the same fire for simply staying true to the character. Each Hulk was influenced by a certain emotion. Eric Bana's was psychotic rage, while Edward Norton's was fueled by caged frustration (from not finding a cure and other factors) while Mark Ruffalo's Hulk-out was led by some sort of irritation or annoyance for being dragged back into the world of danger.

Mark Ruffalo isn't my worry. It is the audience.
I believe that if world saw the return of the miserable and pathetic Bruce Banner from the comics, they would reject him. I am CONVINCED... that the world isn't ready. What do you think?
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Highflyer
Highflyer - 9/16/2013, 4:12 PM
@VIRILEMAN, my issue/concern isn't with the hulk. It's the audience. I like the avengers but i don't think it was the best superhero movie ever. just my opinion.
maninfinesuit
maninfinesuit - 9/16/2013, 6:05 PM
I don't think Ruffalo's zen-like disposition was due to the 'easy' circumstances, so much as an extension of the end of Norton's arc. Remember that he had full control at the end of The Incredible Hulk. We catch up with the shiny new Ruffalo four years after that, so it's natural that he'll be a little calmer and a little more confident. Bear in mind, though, that you can clearly tell it's still a distressing burden for Banner, as evidenced by his more serious scenes. (e.g. The scene that leads up to his 'other guy spit it out' line.)

I'm also inclined to believe that he wasn't as zen-like as he was acting, and was just acting that way to lighten the mood because he knew what everyone was thinking about him.
maninfinesuit
maninfinesuit - 9/16/2013, 6:06 PM
Anyway, you said the audience is what concerns you. While I agree that it could be a problem, I'm fairly confident that it won't be because of all the Hulkish goodwill built up by the first film.
Highflyer
Highflyer - 9/16/2013, 6:21 PM
@maninfinehat, I agree with you about the whole Norton arc. I've tried to point that out to various people. I was disappointed when we didn't get a TIH sequel especially after the mysterious ending that showend bruce bring out the hulk at will and smiling as his eyes turn green. I believe it is a natural progression.
NewNameWhoDis
NewNameWhoDis - 9/16/2013, 11:52 PM
This article was pointless. The editorials on this site are getting out of hand.
Highflyer
Highflyer - 9/17/2013, 12:23 AM
@TheRationalOne, just sharing my opinion. its an editorial after all.
Orphix
Orphix - 9/17/2013, 12:48 AM
A discussion about a major comicbook character on a CBM website isn't pointless. In fact it's one of the reasons a site like this exists!!

With regards to the topic - one of the reasons I loved Ruffalo's portrayal of Banner was because there was a sense of sadness and world weariness about him but he didn't have to wear it on his sleeve. It was all in the subtext.

Norton lacked that for me. He emoted and moaned and complained his way the TIH like someone had served him his cappacino too cold!!

The whole relationship between Romanoff and Banner in The Avengers really focussed on what was missing in his life, his guilt of what he had created and what he had done without ever having to explain it.
Highflyer
Highflyer - 9/17/2013, 12:58 AM
@Orphix, even though I think disagree, I appreciate your views. I think Norton did a great job is portraying Banner's regret. Unfortunately, the most powerful scenes were cut from the film. Like I said before, I liked Ruffalo. I'm just a little worried.
BlackGetsuga3
BlackGetsuga3 - 9/17/2013, 1:51 AM
Absolutely I think the scene from TIH that showed banner being in a theropy session with Betty's new Bo was awesome and should not have been cut.
LeeroyJenkins
LeeroyJenkins - 9/17/2013, 5:14 AM
Excellent man of steel reference
WeekendAvenger
WeekendAvenger - 9/17/2013, 7:08 AM
I thought Loki's army was a good enough threat, just not to the Hulk. Lol
Ichaos
Ichaos - 9/17/2013, 8:09 AM
The best Banner of all is and always will be Bill Bixby. Say what you will of the gimped version of Hulk, Bixby kept the whole cursed tragic jeckle and Hyde aspect right where it needed to be
AverageDrafter
AverageDrafter - 9/17/2013, 9:08 AM
The lack of a perpetually sad Banner is exactly why this was so successful. The reason he's so Zen-Like is that he has embraced what has been plaguing him since the accident - Anger and The Hulk.

This is touched on by his choice of new home - a third world country which is always filled with danger and stressors. Its in this hornet's nest where he learns to control himself, so calmly strolling into a war zone in New York is part of this character development.

The only time he was out of control was his first Hulk-out when his emotions were being manipulated. The look that Ruffalo/Hulk gives in mid-transformation towards Black Widow is exactly what you are talking about - for the first time in years, he can't control Hulk, and he has people he cares about on board the carrier. He's afraid of what he's about to do.

The rest of the time, he's in control. What's more, if things get really harry, he can always call out the big guy on Banner's terms. Having that in his back pocket could certainly lead his calm demeanor.

Its an evolution away from the Jeckyl/Hyde trope, but the character needed it keep him from being stale on the big screen.
Logan5
Logan5 - 9/17/2013, 10:02 AM
@Aquaman

Money. I've only been able to watch it twice. On the 3rd attempt, ended up just skipping to the hellicarrier.
Logan5
Logan5 - 9/17/2013, 10:06 AM
I loved TIH! That version of Banner had capacity and was still struggling with the "other guy." It was a great Hulk tale!
ruadh
ruadh - 9/17/2013, 10:09 AM
I wouldn't worry about Banner, or really any other character. It's an ensemble, and a big part of doing an ensemble story (and something Whedon clearly understands extremely well) is actually giving each character a personality that conflicts with at least some of the other members.

Banner is probably more difficult to convey in a solo movie, but with an ensemble movie I think he works perfectly.
marantaz
marantaz - 9/17/2013, 10:57 AM
First lets get rid of this notion that the Chitauri were not 'threatening' enough. It was Loki, and through him Thanos, who underestimated Earth's mightiest heroes in thinking that he and an army of aliens would be sufficient to take Earth, that it could be done quickly, and arrogant enough that he could do it even after losing was apparent, hence his being bashed about by the Hulk...I mean, who but an arrogant fool with a god complex would scream in the face at the Hulk? Keep in mind that this is early in all characters development... they will make mistakes and get stronger, just has happened in the comics.
As for Banner, what will bring him out of his Zen mellow is Ultron...a man created threat that scientists like Banner take personally...perhaps Stark will be creator with Banners assistance...? Banner will feel more personally in AoU, and so will Hulk.
ruadh
ruadh - 9/17/2013, 11:18 AM
The other thing about Loki and his army/invasion...I forget who first mentioned this theory, but it's been speculated that he actually wanted to not only be defeated, but taken back to Asgard. That as a prisoner was the only way his return to Asgard would really be accepted, plus he would be protected in a cell in Asgard against Thanos. His role in Dark World might also back this idea up, who knows.
ruadh
ruadh - 9/17/2013, 11:45 AM
What's wrong with Banner getting white hairs? Being the Hulk doesn't prevent him from aging. In the story "The End", Banner ages a great deal.
Highflyer
Highflyer - 9/17/2013, 12:16 PM
To be honest, I hope Ruffalo has the same body size he had in the Iron Man 3 scene. I prefer it when Bruce is skinny and the hulk is huge.
HulkbusterNYC
HulkbusterNYC - 9/17/2013, 2:03 PM
@ruadh interesting.. I think it was a win-win situation for Loki.. He takes over Earth (becomes King of our world) or gets dragged back to Asgard (the place he really wants to be King of)
SuperSomething616
SuperSomething616 - 9/17/2013, 2:28 PM
1 little correction...it has been confirmed that The Hulk has never actually killed anyone in the MCU or the MU....(M Ultimate U he has but that's a different kind of hulk)

Banners grief and pain comes from the lack of control and belief that one day if he totally loses it he could kill someone (and that he has injured innocents)...

He feels a sense of responsibility to control te Hulk as it is him...just one of his psyche....

I think we could see a more serious side of Banner for sure but still a more controlled and focused Banner in A2...a determined Banner...

Yes Hulk will be integral in the slobber knocker fights with Ultron but the interesting thing about Ultron is that although he poses a vast physical threat he actually poses a more intellectual threat...to defeat Ultron the avengers will have to outthink him...this is where Banner will shine...ten when Ulton has been bested on this level and resorts to fisty cuffs...all ill say is...

HULK SMASH PUNY METAL MAN! (Which better be in the script....along with Thor saying first: 'Ultron...we would have words with Thee!')
Highflyer
Highflyer - 9/17/2013, 2:43 PM
@SuperSomething616 In the Incredible Hulk movie, General Ross says that Banner is involved in the deaths of two scientists, a military officer, a trooper and two Canadian hunters. Plus in a deleted scene, it is revealed that all the soldiers that accompanied blonsky to in the beginning were all killed. (they are seen in body bags)
sikwon
sikwon - 9/17/2013, 2:47 PM
Good good article. I felt like Banner, especially early in the movie, was attempting to be disarming. To show that he was calm and collected. Remember to that he completely distrusted shield and there motives and while he was wary of them. I feel like marvel has done a fantastic job developing Banner.
sikwon
sikwon - 9/17/2013, 2:51 PM
@ highflyer I loved the Canadian hunter reference, it could only be a nod to his battle with Wolverine. One of the many little awesome nods from Marvel.
Highflyer
Highflyer - 9/17/2013, 3:36 PM
@sikwon, wow... i just noticed that. :)
ruadh
ruadh - 9/17/2013, 3:44 PM
@HulkbusterNYC

Exactly. Sorta like the Joker, or other villains, where any outcome would be to their benefit. The principle was named for the villain of the old Gargoyles cartoon, though that escapes me at the moment.
Highflyer
Highflyer - 9/19/2013, 1:54 AM
@bloodprince, ur opinion.
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