Fox's X-MEN And Heroes From Box Office Flops; Marvel Studios Might Have A Big AVENGERS: DOOMSDAY Problem

Fox's X-MEN And Heroes From Box Office Flops; Marvel Studios Might Have A Big AVENGERS: DOOMSDAY Problem

Marvel Studios has assembled an impressive cast for Avengers: Doomsday, but will not one, but two B-list teams of Avengers, the Fantastic Four, and a lightweight X-Men team be enough to guarantee success?

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By JoshWilding - Sep 22, 2025 11:09 AM EST
Filed Under: Avengers: Doomsday

Yesterday, we were treated to a surprise first look at Avengers: Doomsday's confirmed cast members in costume. You probably don't need us to tell you that more actors will eventually be added to the massive ensemble, with Doctor Strange, Deadpool, and Steve Rogers all but confirmed in recent months. Complaining about any absences does seem a little premature at this point. Well, to some extent, anyway. 

There's a very good chance that Marvel Studios will market the movie around these characters, with those listed above—along with Spider-Man, Wolverine, and the rest—saved as a surprise for when we sit down in theaters. However, how wise is it to try to sell a movie with the stars of three blockbusters that underperformed in 2025, and a handful of X-Men from 20th Century Fox's largely unpopular Marvel franchise? Deadpool & Wolverine did its best to glorify a pretty dismal two decades or so of storytelling that repeatedly failed to do right by the comics. Yes, there was the odd hit, but is anyone really looking back at X-Men: Apocalypse and X-Men: The Last Stand with a smile on their face?

It's worth noting that even though Captain America: Brave New World was a mess made worse by reshoots, Thunderbolts* and The Fantastic Four: First Steps were critical hits that, unfortunately, still struggled to bring people into theaters. Thor and Ant-Man's latest solo outings were widely considered let-downs, and Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings was a superb effort, which did its best during COVID. Black Panther: Wakanda Forever was a hit, at least, while Tom Hiddleston's Loki remains as popular as ever (even after being relegated to streaming).

An Avengers movie should be a guaranteed box office success, but looking back at the past few years, it's apparent that's far from a sure thing these days. Marvel Studios can't rely on the brand alone, and while Robert Downey Jr. is going to be a draw, he's not playing Iron Man here; instead, the Oscar-winner will suit up as a villain best known for starring in three bad Fantastic Four movies. 

We'll acknowledge that there's an element of jumping the gun here. Still, if Marvel Studios intends to market Avengers: Doomsday around these characters battling Doctor Doom, then it may well be destined to fail. On the one hand, you have two teams of Avengers that, like it or not, have starred in movies that people didn't pay to see (The Fantastic Four: First Steps made an admirable $519 million, at least, but even this avid fan of the MCU's First Family can't spin that as a hit on the same level as The Avengers in 2012). As for the X-Men, there are some members of the team worth getting excited about, but it's still a version of the group that's missing its heaviest hitters: Wolverine, Storm, and Jean Grey, for starters. As things stand, the X-Men are giving "these are the only actors who were willing to return" vibes. 

Where is The Hulk? Captain Marvel? Spider-Man? Star-Lord? The Scarlet Witch? Heck, even the TVA is conspicuous by its absence, and while we expect to see them in some capacity, they don't look to be Avengers: Doomsday's leads.

If the rumours are true, and Avengers: Doomsday is set to tell a story about Doom looking to destroy Captain America for his actions in Avengers: Endgame, then selling that storyline in the trailers should go a long way in increasing interest. However, short of another casting announcement—which looks increasingly unlikely now that production has wrapped—it does feel like these will be the characters around whom Avengers: Doomsday is set to be marketed. That's evident from a leaked list of Marvel Legends action figures, for starters. 

Again, we may be getting a little ahead of ourselves, but it was hard to walk away from that leak without at least a small feeling of uncertainty. Marvel Studios has had a hit-and-miss few years with the Multiverse Saga, and the next Avengers movies need to succeed. However, the Russo Brothers are coming off the back of a series of streaming disasters, and Doom is a last-minute replacement for this Saga's original big bad, Kang the Conqueror. That's far from a guaranteed recipe for success, and the same can, unfortunately, be said for The Avengers' B-team (x2), a handful of semi-successful solo heroes, the Fantastic Four, and two-thirds of an X-Men team. Now, we wait and see.

Avengers: Doomsday is set to be released on December 18, 2026, with Avengers: Secret Wars scheduled to arrive on December 17, 2027.

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tvor03
tvor03 - 9/22/2025, 11:47 AM
It’s gonna be great. Haters gonna hate.
MonkeyBot
MonkeyBot - 9/22/2025, 11:55 AM
Doubt it.
supermanrex
supermanrex - 9/22/2025, 11:57 AM
GOOD GRIEF. Already starting the flop campaign. incoming all the disney haters to start box office calculations and metrics.
clogan
clogan - 9/22/2025, 11:59 AM
@supermanrex - It should make a good amount of money I think. At least it should do better than anything from Marvel released this year.
clogan
clogan - 9/22/2025, 11:58 AM
The real issue is how can they convince the people they've lost (People who will wait for the digital/streaming or pirate) to get back into the theater.

I'm ignoring all the BTS problems since they usually mean shit. But they were making this film like they did Iron Man 2, where a script was being rewritten/written on the go. It may have worked for smaller scale films like Iron Man 1 & 2, but here...
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 9/22/2025, 12:00 PM
Honestly , I kinda like the lineup because they feel thrown together (which they likely are) and almost like misfits against this gigantic threat in the form of one of the most iconic comic book villains in Dr Doom which increases the tension & suspense imo by making them feel like the underdogs if that makes sense.

Also while the Fox X-Men may not be that popular with a lot of comic fans , the GA does hold a nostalgia & appreciation for them so just seeing some of them in those roles again will be a selling point and while the current heroes may not have received the level of popularity as Steve or Tony , let’s not forget those characters weren’t that popular either when they first came out with that increasing by each subsequent appearance (though these characters still have their fans aswell).

However the biggest selling point will be Downey just so people who like , hate or are mixed on the casting can see his performance and give their take on it so the curiosity factor is there.

Right now , the movie has curiosity and nostalgia in its favor so hopefully the trailers and movie itself then can carry it own their own merits & increase the hype!!.
Jackraow21
Jackraow21 - 9/22/2025, 12:01 PM
Deadpool & Wolverine was only a year ago. Have they lost that many people since then? Doubtful.
Bucky74
Bucky74 - 9/22/2025, 12:06 PM
They need some more big name heroes like Steve/Cap, Spidey, Wolverine and Deadpool. It’s mostly second, third and forth rate heroes with a few big names like Helmsworth. They
Vigor
Vigor - 9/22/2025, 12:16 PM
@Bucky74 - you just very well have just posted their promo strategy for this movie. Slow releases of the big names in the lead up
cadunovaes01
cadunovaes01 - 9/22/2025, 12:07 PM
“ 20th Century Fox's largely unpopular Marvel franchise”
I disagree. If it weren't for Fox's X-films, we wouldn't have the beloved MCU today.
Pathogen
Pathogen - 9/22/2025, 12:28 PM
@cadunovaes01 - We would. It may look differently, or perhaps started off much better, who knows. But those movies were straight abominations, and only the dumbest or worst fans dug them (or convinced themselves they had to like them)
NonPlayerC
NonPlayerC - 9/22/2025, 12:33 PM
@cadunovaes01 - As someone who's favorite comic to collect as a kid was X-men, I did not enjoy the Fox men. They all revolved around wolverine and had all the characters the wrong ages, and changed relationships and personalities. I can see how they could be enjoyable to people that weren't die hards of the comics though. Plenty of people enjoyed them, if not they wouldn't have made so many of them. Yeah they maybe paved a way for the MCU, but they could have had the original 5 the original 5. The bobby drake rouge romance, mystique becoming the leader of the xmen because Jennifer Laurence blew up was weird, cyclops being a bit of a pansy didnt sit well with me, and there were others. Damn, I was trying not to be negative and started to rant lol They had positive aspects too
NonPlayerC
NonPlayerC - 9/22/2025, 12:41 PM
@Pathogen - not everyone has read almost every x men comic from 60s to early 2000s like me and maybe you. I hated the movies but if you didnt read the comic it was introduced fresh so people didnt know what they got wrong. Same with guardians of the galaxy, I never read a guardians comic before I watch those movies so I enjoyed them. Turns out Star lord and drag were vastly different in the comics before those movies. Same with Tom Cruise as Jack Reacher. I loved those books from Lee Child and then they cast the munchkin Tom to play a guy that's like 6'5. Most people would never have known how bad the casting was because they weren't ever introduced to the source material. Happens with most movies as most movies are adapted from books or comics. Very few original works in Hollywood these days outside of Indie movies. So I definitely agree with you but I try to be understanding of wider context
Pathogen
Pathogen - 9/22/2025, 1:29 PM
@NonPlayerC - I'll agree with your sentiment too, and I tried to take out my knowledge base, too. But they just weren't very well written movies, to the point where decent actors just seemed wooden, and that the characters themselves felt 2 dimensional for the most part.
TheJok3r
TheJok3r - 9/22/2025, 12:11 PM
I think fans are underestimating just how unpopular Marvel has been since Endgame, and are overestimating how popular the Fox X-Men were. This movie's box office isn't going to be anywhere near as high as the previous Avengers movies were.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 9/22/2025, 12:14 PM
2026 should be an interesting year for both Marvel & DC…

For the latter , it will be the first time they don’t have a James Gunn written & directed project with Supergirl and Clayface on the big screen and Lanterns on the small as of now.

Also Marvel has some small screen projects such as Daredevil:BA S2 & Vision Quest but it’s real test will be the big screen in terms of Doomsday and to a lesser extent Spidey since I feel the latter could make a billion or close to it due to the instrinsic popularity of the character.
Matchesz
Matchesz - 9/22/2025, 12:17 PM
🔥🔥 Meahahhaaj gooood cancel disney+!! bahahahaha 🔥🔥





I’m just so happy 😢
foreverintheway
foreverintheway - 9/22/2025, 12:20 PM
who is the guy with the hat and sunglasses?
Feralwookiee
Feralwookiee - 9/22/2025, 12:30 PM
@foreverintheway - I came here to post the same thing, but was expecting to get chewed out.

I assume someone from one of the TV series, because I don't watch any of that slop.

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Malatrova15
Malatrova15 - 9/22/2025, 12:52 PM
@foreverintheway - is Thelemachus Rockefeller from beloved de Agents of Shield series
HistoryofMatt
HistoryofMatt - 9/22/2025, 12:23 PM
That is some INSANE revisionist history about the Fox X-Men films. Wow. Another new low is plumbed.
BruceWayng
BruceWayng - 9/22/2025, 12:30 PM
All they had to do post Endgame/Phases 4-6 was introduce 616’s street level characters, mystical characters and the Fantastic Four(who they could use to explore more of the cosmic side of the MCU). Then after that introduce the X-Men.

They have gone so far out of their way to royally fugg things up it’s almost impressive. I have absolutely ZERO faith that they will be able to turn this ship around.
WEAPONXOXOXO
WEAPONXOXOXO - 9/22/2025, 12:32 PM
Thunderbolts* and The Fantastic Four: First Steps were critical hits? With who?

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ALLSGOOD?
knomad
knomad - 9/22/2025, 12:40 PM
I say let it all play out through Secret Wars, then put the whole thing to bed for a few years. There are too many things that will go wrong trying to reboot all of this in one universe with aging, and in many cases mediocre, actors.

Let it rest.. start fresh. Let the world get over superhero fatigue.
ProudPatriot76
ProudPatriot76 - 9/22/2025, 12:42 PM
I’ve said it a thousand times, but I’ll say it again, streaming is going to kill the box office. With home entertainment systems getting larger and larger, I saw somewhere that a 200” tv was in production, why continue going to the theaters? At this point, is a $10 specialty cup and $25 collectible popcorn bucket worth it?

I waited until Superman hit HBOMax to watch it. I’ll wait for Fantastic Four to hit Disney+ before watching it. I’m by no means a hermit or afraid to leave my house, but if I can see a movie in my pajama shorts, I’m in!
TheDpool
TheDpool - 9/22/2025, 1:03 PM
"with Doctor Strange, Deadpool, and Steve Rogers all but confirmed in recent months."

Josh just because you go with rumors, doesnt confirm them.
FleischerSupes
FleischerSupes - 9/22/2025, 1:10 PM
I think the next Spider-Man shows more promise,

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dragon316
dragon316 - 9/22/2025, 1:12 PM
This promotion build up again before Superman fantastic four was out people where saying fantastic four will kick Superman butt make billion easy
MrDandy
MrDandy - 9/22/2025, 1:30 PM
I don’t think they do. It will almost certainly make over a billion.
movieguy18
movieguy18 - 9/22/2025, 1:37 PM
Am I the only one who, for the most part, really enjoyed the Fox X-Men movies? There were definitely misfires but X-Men, X2, Logan, First Class, DOFP and Deadpool were all bangers with a couple mid movies (the Wolverine, Apocalypse, DP2, New Mutants) and some duds (Origins and Last Stand). Yeah, guys can move some of my mid movies to duds but it wasn't all that bad.

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