Robert Downey Jr. As Doctor Doom: Marvel's Biggest Misstep Or The Multiverse Saga's Saving Grace?

Robert Downey Jr. As Doctor Doom: Marvel's Biggest Misstep Or The Multiverse Saga's Saving Grace?

Marvel Studios' Comic-Con announcement about Robert Downey Jr. playing Doctor Doom hasn't received the warmest response from fans, but is there good reason to be concerned or has Marvel played a blinder?

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By JoshWilding - Aug 02, 2024 12:08 PM EST
Filed Under: Avengers: Doomsday

Marvel Studios Hall H panel at last weekend's San Diego Comic-Con wasn't as mind-blowing as we expected, particularly as none of the footage shown to fans was released online.

However, there's no denying that the studio once again managed to "break the internet" with the news that Iron Man actor Robert Downey Jr. is returning to the MCU not as Tony Stark, but as the villainous Victor Don Doom/Doctor Doom in Avengers: Doomsday and Avengers: Secret Wars

While the announcement has generated plenty of hype, it's also drawn a rather mixed response (which we'd bet Marvel Studios wasn't anticipating). That's not surprising in some ways and, in this feature, we're breaking down the good, the bad, and wider consequences of this casting decision. 

Has the Multiverse Saga been doomed? Click on the "Next"/"View List" buttons below to read through this breakdown.
 

5. It's A Fantastic Casting, Minus The Obvious

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If we jump to a different corner of the Multiverse where, say, Timothy Olyphant played Iron Man instead of Robert Downey Jr., would anyone really complain about this? Downey is fresh off an Oscar win and, if Oppenheimer proved anything, it's that he can play a phenomenal antagonist. 

The prospect of a Downey, at the top of his game, chewing the scenery as Victor Von Doom is beyond thrilling. Alas, we live in a world where he spent upwards of a decade making Tony Stark entirely his own. 

If Doom is an evil Iron Man Variant, it reduces one of the Marvel Universe's greatest villains to "Tony Stark gone bad." If Downey is playing Victor, then even if he keeps the mask on, it's a strange casting decision which could be more distracting than anything else. 

We'd rather Downey just pull double duty - like Josh Brolin starring as Cable and Thanos in the same year - than have all this lead to Doom unmasking in front of a shocked Spider-Man to reveal an all-too-familiar face, anyway.
 

4. Short-Term Gain for Long-Term Pain

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Marvel Studios has a Kang problem (we'll get to that), so pivoting to a villain as iconic and beloved as Doctor Doom makes sense. 

It should be easy to make moviegoers forget about what's come before, though the benefit of those early Fantastic Four movies is that it at least means casual audience members have an inkling of who Doom is. As for the hardcore fans, they've been waiting to see him done properly on screen for decades. 

However, while Doom fills a void in Avengers: The Kang Dynasty Avengers: Doomsday, the prospect of having a beloved A-Lister tear sh*t up as Victor appears to have blinded Marvel Studios to the fact his story should have played out over several years. 

No one really complains about Thanos, outside of a couple of cameos, being "wasted" in only two Avengers movies. However, Doom could have started as a Fantastic Four villain before rising to a level where he's a threat to the entire MCU. He's been Iron Man, Sorcerer Supreme, and even a hero of sorts, but there's no way Downey is sticking around for all that.

This short-term gain robs Marvel Studios of the ability to tell a great many stories...unless another Variant is thrown into the mix which better explains why we're starting at the end with Doom.
 

3. What About The Fantastic Four?

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The Fantastic Four: First Steps will take place in an alternate reality New York City which appears almost futuristic, presumably thanks to Reed Richards' intellect and the way this team reshaped their home for the better. 

It's an intriguing premise with the promise that we'll get a new spin of Marvel's First Family when they battle Galactus. It also places them front and centre in the Multiverse Saga, with Marvel Studios confirming the team will appear in both upcoming Avengers movies at Comic-Con.

Does Doctor Doom hail from their world or, more likely, will they meet Doom for the first time in Avengers: Doomsday? Removing Reed and Victor's shared history may feel like a wise move after how the previous movies handled it, but come on, Doom's hatred for Mister Fantastic is a driving force for so much of what he does. 

Neglecting that feels like an error and we don't see Downey signing up for The Fantastic Four 2 to expand on Doom's rivalry with the superhero team. They have plenty of other amazing villains but, when they inevitably make Earth-616 their home, it's likely to be minus their greatest. 
 

2. An Unresolved Plot Thread

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Rumour has it Marvel Studios plans to move on from Kang, with fans left to assume the TVA successfully pruned or "fixed" his many Variants after Loki recreated the Multiverse. That raises many questions, including how the Council of Kangs was defeated.

We believe the original idea was for The Avengers to battle them in The Kang Dynasty before the Conqueror - who was sucked into that multiversal power core - returned as The Beyonder, setting the stage for Secret Wars. Somehow, Doom will now be the one to acquire God-like powers, but not tying that into Kang's story in any way, shape, or form feels like a mistake. 

It's easy to understand Marvel Studios' eagerness to move on from an actor found guilty of assaulting his then-girlfriend. We're also talking about a character fans didn't necessarily respond to.

When all is said and done, it might be enough to reference Kang's fate with a throwaway line of dialogue. He served a purpose in Loki by giving us an origin/explanation for the Multiverse's emergence and it may well be enough to assume the God of Mischief's actions helped avoid a second Multiversal War. 

As for the Council of Kangs, based on how shockingly awful Majors was in that scene, perhaps this is for the best.
 

1. This Has The Potential To Be AMAZING

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It feels like we've been pretty negative thus far and, to a degree, there's good reason for that.

There's no denying Marvel Studios could have cast a great many incredible actors as Doom - most of whom would have received the same cheers Downey got - but this is still a fantastic casting choice. Plus, this villain battling The Avengers, Fantastic Four, and X-Men(?) as a God-like Doom is the stuff dreams are made of. 

We're hoping the plan is to leave the mask on, but even if Victor does remove it - perhaps after healing his face - then it shouldn't matter too much providing the story is strong enough.

The way things were going with Kang weren't good...Majors did some fine work in the role as He Who Remains and the Conqueror, only to seemingly decide he wanted to ham it up as goofy Variants like Victor Timely, Immortus, and Rama-Tut. 

We believe Downey can knock this role out of the park and deliver a Doom we've all waited to see on screen. Still, here's hoping Marvel and the Russos (a perfect choice to direct these movies) don't screw it up with the Multiverse of it all...
 

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grif
grif - 8/2/2024, 12:09 PM
wont get me to watch shit.

reboot time

Malatrova15
Malatrova15 - 8/2/2024, 12:42 PM
@grif - please :(
RegularPoochie
RegularPoochie - 8/2/2024, 1:36 PM
@grif - They started the reboot you big ol' hairy teddybear with D&W
Sicario
Sicario - 8/2/2024, 3:18 PM
@grif - easily the worst casting choice. Especially when mads mikkelsen and Cillian Murphy exists. But honestly I was hoping for a younger version of the fantastic 4 and everyone surrounding them.
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 8/3/2024, 3:01 AM
@grif - that's not gonna fix issues like this. They will keep making choices like this if the creative team isn't rebooted.
grif
grif - 8/3/2024, 6:42 PM
@bkmeijer1 - thats a given
99OPTIMISTPRIME
99OPTIMISTPRIME - 8/2/2024, 12:14 PM
I think having him sound anything like Tony Stark, would be a disaster. I hope he uses a voice modulator.
DarthOmega
DarthOmega - 8/2/2024, 12:23 PM
@99OPTIMISTPRIME - Very much agreed. RDJ is great at accents so maybe if he used a European accent and some deep bass heavy audio tricks will do the job.

I've been watching some AI Doomsday trailers and one of them had a great deep version of RDJ's voice. The dialogue and vibe felt perfect. And then I saw another with RDJ's regular voice... It was laughably bad for a villain of Doom's stature.
CyberBishop
CyberBishop - 8/2/2024, 12:16 PM
I am just here to read the comments.
Order66
Order66 - 8/2/2024, 12:18 PM
Easy answer to this….

Cold opening to Doomsday - Doom kills the Council of Kangs with one mystic energy blast with the camera to his back so all you see is his cloak and in the distance all the Kang variants are running at him and then poof dead.

Doom should be heavily scarred and Downeys voice should be altered to accommodate the scarring that way the audience won’t recognize him and can disconnect from thinking it’s Tony stark.
Nate212
Nate212 - 8/2/2024, 1:49 PM
@Order66 - I agree with all of this. Although I must admit I would love a scene where Doom takes his mask off in front of Peter Parker who initially believes he's Stark. I just don't know how they're going to do that without the audience thinking he's a Stark variant. I suppose the best way to do it would be to have a small conversation between the two, along the lines of...

Peter: Tony? Is it really you? It's me... Peter. Spider-Man. Do you remember me?
Doom: I'm not Tony Stark. Your fallen idol sacrificed himself to save your universe. In mine, I killed him before he could destroy it.

And then reveal that the Tony Stark in Doom's universe was actually played by another actor, maybe use this opportunity to have Tom Cruise play this Stark variant, like he was rumoured to play the original Stark. It'd be cool to have a scene where Doom kicks the shit out of the Avengers, he finally gets to Iron man who takes his mask off to reveal it's Cruise under there and Doom rips him apart. Or since Stark has a brother, have RDJ play twins, one grew up to be Stark, the other grew up to be Doom. It's not the greatest idea in the world, but I think they could pull it off.
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 8/3/2024, 3:03 AM
@Order66 - that's the perfect opening. It establishes his dominance right away.

And if it's also established why he obliterates them, it immediately gets the plot moving as well. Two birds one stone
Songoty
Songoty - 8/2/2024, 12:18 PM
Moot points. We all know a bunch of nerds whining on social media won't stop both movies from easily hitting 2+billion.
Arthorious
Arthorious - 8/2/2024, 12:20 PM
I’m not the biggest fan of his casting but he’s a great actor so let’s see what he can do.
DarthOmega
DarthOmega - 8/2/2024, 12:20 PM
Ok so I agree this seems desperate. I agree this could be a massive misstep. But I have to say I'm a little bit surprised so many of you are against this. Not just here, but the internet period. What happened to that sense of wonder and excitement? This is the A-Team. RDJ and the Russos? Come on man they are gonna bring it.

Someone said this is a "break glass in case of an emergency" scenario. I agree. Marvel saw they weren't quite hitting it out of the park anymore so they had to make some moves. To me this seems smart. I don't think RDJ would come back simply because they made him Doom. It must be something awesome about the story they're weaving. He's not hurting for cash so it has to be some meat on those bones. Maybe they have something wild under their sleeves.

Marvel has been good at giving us stand up and cheer moments. Especially with the Russos. Bringing them back shows they are serious. Or maybe it's pure desperation and they are scrambling. I doubt that's the whole story. I will tell you one thing. I'm 1000X more excited for Avengers Doomsday than I ever was with Kang Dynasty.

I suspect I'm not the only one.
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 8/3/2024, 3:04 AM
@DarthOmega - I'm right there with you. I agree with all your points.
DarthOmega
DarthOmega - 8/3/2024, 10:59 AM
@bkmeijer1 - Thank you. This announcement restored my faith in Marvel. It's not without a bit of hesitation given the last few years, but I see this as a course correction. But we will see.
Nomis929
Nomis929 - 8/2/2024, 12:21 PM
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TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 8/2/2024, 12:33 PM
I understand everyone having their own tastes & preferences but I’m sick of people not wanting goofy stuff in these cbms because newsflash , these things are inherently goofy or silly…

I can understand some having issues with Majors performance as Immortus since his inspiration here seems to be Eddie Redmayne’s character from Jupiter Ascending but the rest I’m cool with..

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When you have a character that doesn’t have much depth then I think you need to go hammy to an extent to or chew the scenery to make them entertaining.

Anyway , I still think they should have just moved forward with Kang by recasting the role (the variants gave them an excuse imo) and finish that story but if you are going to pivot to Doom then use their demise to establish him as a threat then just ignoring them.
Fogs
Fogs - 8/2/2024, 12:34 PM
"If Doom is an evil Iron Man Variant, it reduces one of the Marvel Universe's greatest villains to "Tony Stark gone bad""

This is my main concern with the casting. Doom should be bigger than this "oh another variant" BS. He's his own thing.

I'm not a fan of the F4 coming from another reality already (I'd have them being from the main timeline but travelling elsewhere, if the idea is for them to meet the heroes for the 1st time and keep their experience as well). But Doom as a Stark variant will be so weird, specially if they're keeping him in the main timeline.

Hope they at least reboot EVERYTHING after SW then.
Slotherin
Slotherin - 8/2/2024, 12:50 PM
With Doom being masked, scarred, etc.... I think there's enough RDJ can do with his voice that he stands as something different... We'll see....
Slotherin
Slotherin - 8/2/2024, 12:51 PM
Also, love the choice of one exaggeration or the other...
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 8/2/2024, 12:54 PM
@Slotherin - I do think the opportunity is too good not to do of him being unmasked and some of the heroes realizing he looks like Tony.

The emotional storytelling you could do with that for some of the characters like Peter or Rhodey is strong imo
Nate212
Nate212 - 8/2/2024, 1:52 PM
@TheVisionary25 - I agree. There's definitely a great scene in there where they realise that the Tony they knew and loved is gone forever. I'd be very surprised if they don't do a scene like that.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 8/2/2024, 1:26 PM
RDJ will probably be the perfect Victor Von Doom.
SteelGunZ
SteelGunZ - 8/2/2024, 1:44 PM
What the hell is wrong with getting fresh actors and actresses to play new takes on the characters? Why are they paying so much for recycled actors and actresses.

Also I can't see RDJ as anybody else but IRONMAN in the MCU!

So this means we probably want get a Victor Von Doom done correctly no time soon in the MCU!
PapaBear562
PapaBear562 - 8/2/2024, 1:58 PM
This is going to backfire, big time.
Brodir7
Brodir7 - 8/2/2024, 2:20 PM
Dr Doom should not be played by a 5' 8", 59 year old actor.

RDJ is a great actor. His Marvel presence went out in a blaze of glory when Tony Stark magnificently sacrificed himself. Now that has been tarnished.
GeneralZod
GeneralZod - 8/2/2024, 2:29 PM
"Still, here's hoping Marvel and the Russos (a perfect choice to direct these movies) don't screw it up with the Multiverse of it all..."

Josh, you mean the way Marvel and Feige royally screwed it up in Phase 4 and 5?

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S8R8M
S8R8M - 8/2/2024, 2:31 PM
I bet he will be Tony most of the movie. Manipulating each avenger one by one. I wish they never revealed RDJ now because it would be amazing to see that happen in the cinema. But doing it this way garuntees butt's in seats and a billion worldwide easily.
RitoRevolto
RitoRevolto - 8/2/2024, 3:07 PM
Misstep. Not budging on that. Why not just play an evil Iron Man if he wants to be bad now?
SummersEssex
SummersEssex - 8/2/2024, 3:20 PM
Fantastic Four happening in a different reality is still highly speculative and even though there is strong evidence to suggest that is the case, you shouldn’t be stating it as fact unt it is.

The only news we have is that Downey is Doom and Russos are in. Everything else is just guessing games and I’d really like to a see a legitimately good theory as to why they’ve done this. I trust them, but the angle is more than “Downey good, fix Marvel.”
Forthas
Forthas - 8/2/2024, 8:45 PM
I can see this going either way as a brilliant gamble or misguided failure.
NinnesMBC
NinnesMBC - 8/3/2024, 1:00 AM
A misstep from their end. I just hope they handle things very carefuly and there's a lot more going on that we what know thus far.

I'd rather they recast Majors and given a chance to someone knew to pick up things from where they were left to continue till the Kang Dynasty. And then I'm all in for Doomsday (not really the most original title tbh) and whatever else they got in mind.
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 8/3/2024, 2:58 AM
@NinnesMBC - ofcourse there's more at play than we're let on. Despite needing to create buzz again, I doubt they'd do so if they didn't think it through
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 8/3/2024, 3:09 AM
I already made my case multiple times, so for now all I'm gonna say is: I'm just fuсking hyped to see Doom. Secret Wars wouldn't be the same without Doom imo.

No matter the version, I trust Feige, the Russos, McFeely and RDJ to stick the landing narratively. None of them have dissappointed me, so why should I start doubting now?

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