SECRET WARS: 9 Epic Comic Book Moments From 2015 Crossover That Should Inspire The Next AVENGERS Movies

SECRET WARS: 9 Epic Comic Book Moments From 2015 Crossover That Should Inspire The Next AVENGERS Movies

All signs point to Avengers: Secret Wars pulling heavily from Jonathan Hickman and Esad Ribic's Secret Wars comic book, and these are just some of the moments we hope to see on screen a few years from now.

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By JoshWilding - Jan 24, 2024 12:01 PM EST
Filed Under: Avengers: Secret Wars

At the 2022 San Diego Comic-Con, Marvel Studios announced that the Multiverse Saga would conclude with two Avengers movies (at the time, they were going to be released mere months apart; now, at least a year will separate them).

The first is Avengers: The Kang Dynasty - now dubbed simply "Avengers 5" after Jonathan Majors' firing - while the second is Avengers: Secret Wars. There are two famous stories with the latter's name, though we're guessing the 2015 version - which included incursions, the Multiverse, and a Marvel Universe reboot - will be the main source of inspiration for the MCU.

With that in mind, we've revisited Jonathan Hickman and Esad Ribic's modern classic to find the moments and scenes that we're hoping will make it into Avengers: Secret Wars. We don't anticipate a completely faithful adaptation, but Marvel Studios can make good use of certain aspects of the story and expand on them in exciting new ways. 

To take a look through the Secret Wars moments we want to see on the big screen, click on the "Next" button below.
 

9. Death Of The Marvel Universe

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Secret Wars begins with a bang...literally. The Marvel Universe and the Ultimate Universe are in the midst of an incursion, and while heroes from both worlds gather to try and save their reality (going to extreme measures to do so), there's ultimately nothing they can do. 

Some heroes manage to flee aboard a cosmic "life raft," but at the centre of the universe, Doctor Doom steals the power of the Beyonders to remake reality in his image. With that, a new world is born. 

The Marvel Universe doesn't have a counterpart that means as much to fans as the Ultimate Universe, but Earth-838 or another alternate world we're going to spend time on in the coming years could take its place. Kicking things off with the destruction of the MCU would be jaw-dropping, and a strong indication that Marvel Studios is taking this storyline seriously. 
 

8. The Face Of Doom

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If the rumours are true about Doctor Doom making his MCU debut in the closing moments of Fantastic Four, there's still time for Victor Von Doom to replace Kang the Conqueror as the Saga's big bad. 

We're sure his origin story will be expanded on at some point and Marvel Studios would be wise to make him a villain who uses both magic and science to establish his dominance. The biggest ask we have right now, though, is that they build some mystique around what's under that iconic mask. 

A big-name actor will almost certainly be cast as Doom, but any temptation to show his face should be saved for Secret Wars, where, like in the comics, we finally get to see what the villain is hiding. Doom destroyed his face trying to save his mother's soul after ignoring Reed Richard's advice to make some changes to the machine he was using, and that's something Fantastic Four can lay the groundwork for.
 

7. Betrayal

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Only a few people remember how things used to be, with Doctor Strange among them. While Doom is the God of this new world, the fragments of reality he pulled together are far from perfect and things seem to be in constant turmoil, hence why he needs a reliable second in command. 

That's where Stephen Strange comes in. Years have passed since the Marvel Universe's destruction and the Sorcerer Supreme has, dare we say, become friends with Doom. However, when his friends emerge from that life raft, he realises that there's a chance to put the world back to the way it should be. As you might expect, that's not something Victor is happy about.

With a wave of his hand, he brutally kills Doctor Strange, and this would be one seriously shocking moment to put in a movie. We'd also love to see Strange spend some time with Doom on screen because their dynamic is nothing short of fascinating. 
 

6. Doctor Doom Kills Thanos

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If you thought that was an impressive display of power, it arguably pales in comparison to what happens when Doom comes face-to-face with Thanos. Another Marvel Universe survivor, the Mad Titan believes he can overthrow Victor, but soon learns that even he is no match for "God."

Plunging his fist into Thanos' chest, Doom rips out his spine and turns the villain to dust. There are many moments in Secret Wars where Doom shows that he's now nigh on unstoppable, but to make such short work of the villain who wiped out half the universe in Avengers: Infinity War...well, that would be something else (obviously, this Mad Titan would need to be a Variant). 

Heck, this could even be what happens to Kang the Conqueror, with Doom responsible for finally putting a stop to that time-travelling villain's machinations and getting rid of his "Beyonder" Variant and, subsequently, a character fans seem to have little interest in. 
 

5. A Moment Of Levity

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Secret Wars is a very intense, high-stakes story, but there are still moments of levity. Peter Parker and Miles Morales are reunited in this new reality after a past team-up and set about trying to figure out what's going on.

As a result, they come face to face with Molecule Man. It turns out he's the glue at the centre of this new reality holding it all together, and while we don't expect Marvel Studios to include him here (his presence arguably makes things too convoluted), we'd still love to see this exchange in Avengers: Secret Wars

It's a ridiculous, hilarious conversation and one that could be recreated with the three live-action Spider-Men if Marvel Studios and Sony Pictures can't figure out a way to finally bring Miles into the MCU. 
 

4. "I Am Groot!"

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Star-Lord was among the heroes who escaped the dying Earth-616 aboard the aforementioned life raft, and when Black Swan overpowers the Guardian of the Galaxy, he takes a toothpick from his mouth and threatens her with it.  

We're sure you won't be surprised to learn the villain is unimpressed, prompting Star-Lord to stab it into the World Tree that Doom has made his throne on. With that, a ginormous and powerful Groot emerges to take the fight to Doom's army. 

Considering the fact the Multiverse now resembles Yggdrasil, we're sure this could all be tied together somehow and what a showcase for Groot a moment like this would be in Avengers: Secret Wars.
 

3. The Thing's Death

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As God, Doctor Doom can't help but take his petty revenge on the Fantastic Four in the new reality he creates. Mister Fantastic no longer exists, The Human Torch is being used as the world's "sun," and the Invisible Woman is Victor Von Doom's wife. 

The Thing, meanwhile, has been transformed into a wall that protects his kingdoms from the remnants of darker realities. For example, there are Marvel Zombies, the Annihilation Wave, and even Ultron robots, but Thanos eventually reveals the truth to Ben Grimm and he breaks free of his captivity to fight back against Victor. 

Franklin Richards, who is Doom and Sue's son in this world, engages The Thing by controlling Galactus, eventually laying waste to Ben when he refuses to fight back against the boy he considers a nephew. It's a powerful moment, even though it is undone later on. 
 

2. The Infinity Gauntlet Returns

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With the heroes who remember reality as it was determined to stop Doom, Black Panther finds an Infinity Gauntlet that was hidden away by Doctor Strange. T'Challa unleashes its power for a reality-bending battle against Victor that delivers the sort of visuals that make the mind boggle, and we'd love to see it on the big screen. 

Sadly, Chadwick Boseman is no longer with us to make this happen, but Shuri - or perhaps even a T'Challa Variant - can still make this scene a reality. 

This may even be the perfect place for Chris Evans' Captain America to make his return. Remember, he once had all six Infinity Stones in his possession when he was tasked with returning them to their rightful place in the timeline. With that in mind, Steve returning, powered up and ready to take the fight to Doctor Doom, could be an awesome way to adapt this battle. 
 

1. Doctor Doom's Face Is Healed

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During the climactic battle, Doctor Doom finally squares off with Mister Fantastic and is forced to admit that Reed could have made a much better world than him had he been given the chance. 

It's a moment that humbles the proud Doom, and the Fantastic Four leader proves that he was right by doing what heroes do. Restoring the world to how it should be, he doesn't wipe Victor from existence or take any sort of pretty revenge. Instead, he heals his greatest foe's face, proving that, yes, he really is the better man.

This would obviously lead to Doom heading down a slightly more heroic path, becoming the Infamous Iron Man. That's something we'd love to see play out in the MCU and sets up a thrilling new status quo as we head into the next era of storytelling revolving around Marvel's First Family and the X-Men. 
 

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Origame
Origame - 1/24/2024, 12:10 PM
Considering this'll be like the second appearance of doom, no. Just save doom for later and leave this mess of a saga to kang.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 1/24/2024, 2:02 PM
@Origame - Infinity War was only the second appearance of Thanos too (not counting the extremely brief end credits teasers on the first two Avengers movies) and his appearance in GOTG was only very small. I think he was in like 2 scenes.

Also, maybe they could use a previous Doom from one of the Fox universes.

As batshit crazy as it sounds, the Doom from Fant4stic was actually trying to suck the universe into another dimension to be a part of Planet Zero, a desolate planet thathe was a god and Emperor of.

Give him the added benefit of the TVA pruning tech and the power of the Beyonders and you have exactly the kind of Doom that's needed for Secret Wars.

Deadpool 3 could be used to reintroduce him as a character to us.
Origame
Origame - 1/24/2024, 3:20 PM
@ObserverIO - 1) doom is more like a loki than a Thanos. In that you want to give him a lot to do. He won't even be the villain of the first fantastic four movie anyway, so it's basically just an end credits scene then literally the biggest thing he ever did. That's a huge waste of doom.

2) no way are they gonna have the big villain of the multiverse saga be the doom from fant4stic.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 1/24/2024, 3:28 PM
@Origame - 1) I can't believe we still haven't had the FF and I can't believe that when we finally do get them that Doom may or may not be in an after credits scene. It's simply atrocious. They oughta have their heads examined.

2) I know, lol, but I honestly think that movie lays a lot of potential groundwork and they could use it. It'd be a weird move, but sometimes awesome things come from the most unlikely of places.

You're gonna laugh your ass off, but I think that Fant4stic may be the secret key to the multiverse saga.

It won't be, lol. But it COULD be.
bobevanz
bobevanz - 1/24/2024, 12:19 PM
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grendelthing
grendelthing - 1/24/2024, 2:54 PM
@bobevanz - Stay in your lane, bruh.
MyCoolYoung
MyCoolYoung - 1/24/2024, 12:28 PM
A lot of this is just too early to do with Doom. Him being introduced then turned into a good guy at the end wouldn’t do the character justice
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 1/24/2024, 2:07 PM
@MyCoolYoung - I think they should change the ending to a noble sacrifice or something, so that the new universe can be a truly fresh reboot with a new Doom. That way we know both the extent of his evil and that he has the potential to be good too.
MyCoolYoung
MyCoolYoung - 1/24/2024, 5:18 PM
@ObserverIO - I like that idea. So you’re saying use one of the prior Doom’s and not the one they may introduce in the new fantastic four movie?
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 1/25/2024, 4:22 AM
@MyCoolYoung - I do think that using one of the prior Doom's could work (especially if they utilized the whole Planet Zero plot from Fant4stic to set up the idea o Battleworld), but even if they introduce a new FF and Doom, I think it could work there too. As long as he already has history with the FF.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 1/25/2024, 4:25 AM
The post Secret Wars FF and Doom would then be a 'New new' FF and Doom.

Because lets face it, we fans are probably gonna have a problem with whoever they cast as the FF ands how they are portrayed in their first movie. Especially after all the build up, it'd be weird if it didn't disappoint us in some major way.

So even though it seems weird to be talking about a second MCU FF and Doom right now, by the time Secret Wars is done, I think we'll probably be ready for it.
MyCoolYoung
MyCoolYoung - 1/25/2024, 10:49 AM
@ObserverIO - that’s some crazy foresight thinking but I believe you’re right. Seems like that’s where the fandom is at nowadays
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 1/27/2024, 6:00 PM
@ObserverIO @MyCoolYoung - I wouldn't mind them using the previous FF movies' casts.

Think Miles Teller could make for an interesting Maker, and I could actually see Julian McMahon as God Emperor Doom.
MyCoolYoung
MyCoolYoung - 1/27/2024, 6:19 PM
@bkmeijer1 - I’m 100% with you on Julian. Even in a family friendly fantastic movie he was pretty menacing
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 1/28/2024, 3:58 AM
@bkmeijer1 - Could totally work. And those two FF movies are pretty entertaining, so it wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing for them to become required viewing for Secret Wars.
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 1/28/2024, 4:10 AM
@MyCoolYoung @ObserverIO - I always liked both movies and their casts, and with the I definitely wanna see them become part of the MCU (MCM?) too.
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WEAPONXOXOXO - 1/24/2024, 12:50 PM
Off topic but about comic books. This came out.



MadThanos
MadThanos - 1/24/2024, 1:32 PM
Secret Wars makes no sense to me.
Arthorious
Arthorious - 1/24/2024, 1:40 PM
@MadThanos - why is it called Secret Wars? How was it a Secret? Never read the series
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 1/24/2024, 2:09 PM
All those moments and more should happen.

Not too soon for Doom.

But maybe it's too soon for Secret Wars?
marvel72
marvel72 - 1/24/2024, 4:30 PM
The Death Of The Marvel Universe? Haven't they already started with that just watch Phases 4 and 5.



I wouldn't mind seeing Maestro in this,just what Secret Wars needs.
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 1/27/2024, 5:57 PM
@marvel72 - gottem!

Maestro as one of the rulers on Battleworld would be pretty cool to see. Much rather get that than World War Hulk anyway.
S8R8M
S8R8M - 1/25/2024, 2:44 AM
Keep Kang as the main villain. Have Doom around but let him watch the universes collide so he can learn from the Kang's mistakes. Making post-Secret Wars The Doom Saga. No need for the Infinity Stones and Gauntlet. That is done, focus on the multiverse and the current roster of heroes.
GeekSmarts
GeekSmarts - 1/25/2024, 5:54 PM
Doom shouldn't be shoehorned into this as a last minute replacement for Kang. It would be a bad move. Introduce him sure, have him doing things in the background and pop up here and there. Totally pivoting to Doom though would be a big mistake in my opinion. He deserves time to be built up proper.
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 1/27/2024, 5:56 PM
@GeekSmarts - I agree and disagree. Doom does indeed deserve build-up, but then I remember Thanos didn't have either. With a few cameos and one guest appearance, it worked out fine.
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 1/27/2024, 5:55 PM
I wouldn't mind it if they made Avengers 5 the Secret Wars of 1985, and Avengers 6 the Secret Wars of 2015.

There's a lot of changes that need to be made to make it feel like a two-parter, but it can work. Some changes suggested in the article are good ones, but I am missing replacing Molecule Man with Loki

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