RUMOR: Here's How AVENGERS: DOOMSDAY Will Alter One Key Plot Point From THE KANG DYNASTY - SPOILERS

RUMOR: Here's How AVENGERS: DOOMSDAY Will Alter One Key Plot Point From THE KANG DYNASTY - SPOILERS

We know Marvel Studios was forced to implement a lot of changes when Avengers: The Kang Dynasty became Doomsday, but it seems one major plot point will remain - with a few tweaks.

By MarkCassidy - Jun 14, 2025 06:06 PM EST
Filed Under: Avengers: Secret Wars

Marvel Studios was forced to pivot to a new villain and (one would assume) a very different story when Jonathan Majors' assault convictions led to Avengers: The Kang Dynasty evolving into Avengers: Doomsday, but it sounds like a few key plot points will remain - albeit with some significant tweaks.

We have heard that Multiversal Incursions would have played a big part in The Kang Dynasty, and are still expected to serve as the catalyst for the events of Doomsday and Secret Wars.

According to Alex Perez in the latest Cosmic Circus Q&A, the concept of the various realities in the Multiverse being "stuck on an endless loop" that Majors' He Who Remains outlined in the first season of Loki will be retained, but instead of Kang's variants wreaking havoc around the Multiverse in an effort to shake things up via various Incursions, the focus will shift to certain disruptors in the MCU who have been "interfering with the fabric of space and time."

"In Doomsday, the main incursion we’ll see at first revolves around Earth-616 and the universe Monica is set in, where the X-Men currently reside in the film. Other incursions will also be addressed, such as the one in No Way Home, caused by Spider-Man and Doctor Strange."

We assume Reed Richards' tampering with the fabric of his universe in The Fantastic Four: First Steps will also count!

Perez was also asked if he's "heard of any characters expected to appear in Secret Wars but not Doomsday," and responded: "Would Doom’s idealized versions of the characters we know count?"

Finally, Perez addressed the concept of "life rafts" from the Secret Wars comic, which prevent certain characters from falling under Doom’s spell on Battleworld.

"They’ve explored a couple of ideas. Reed building life-rafts, the use of the Quantum Realm to escape, escaping to the Void, just a couple of the things being thrown around."

Avengers: Doomsday and Avengers: Secret Wars were recently hit with significant delays, with Doomsday now set to arrive in theaters on December 18, 2026, and Secret Wars positioned for December 17, 2027.

Both movies will be directed by the Russo brothers, who also make their MCU return after helming Captain America: The Winter Soldier, Captain America: Civil War, Avengers: Infinity War and Avengers: Endgame

"Being able to create stories and explore characters within the Marvel Universe fulfilled a life-long dream of ours, and we discovered a powerful connection with audiences in each film that we made. We’re thrilled to collaborate once again with Kevin, Lou and the entire Marvel team to bring this epic adventure in storytelling to new and surprising places for both the fans and ourselves”, said The Russos in a statement after the SDCC panel.

You can check out the full (for now) Doomsday cast list below.

• Paul Rudd as Ant-Man

• Simu Liu as Shang-Chi

• Tom Hiddleston as Loki

• Lewis Pullman as Sentry

• Florence Pugh as Yelena

• Danny Ramirez as Falcon

• Ian McKellen as Magneto

• Sebastian Stan as Bucky

• Winston Duke as M’Baku

• Chris Hemsworth as Thor

• Kelsey Grammer as Beast

• James Marsden as Cyclops

• Channing Tatum as Gambit

• Wyatt Russell as U.S. Agent

• Vanessa Kirby as Sue Storm

• Rebecca Romijn as Mystique

• Patrick Stewart as Professor X

• Alan Cumming as Nightcrawler

• Letitia Wright as Black Panther

• Tenoch Huerta Mejia as Namor

• Pedro Pascal as Reed Richards

• Hannah John-Kamen as Ghost

• Joseph Quinn as Johnny Storm

• David Harbour as Red Guardian

• Robert Downey Jr as Doctor Doom

• Ebon Moss-Bachrach as The Thing

• Anthony Mackie as Captain America

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harryba11zack
harryba11zack - 6/14/2025, 6:03 PM
where is she?
KennKathleen
KennKathleen - 6/14/2025, 6:05 PM
@harryba11zack - Dodging child support & alimony.

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Huskers
Huskers - 6/14/2025, 6:37 PM
So basically Peter Parker gave up existing for nothing!
DiegoMD
DiegoMD - 6/14/2025, 6:55 PM
@Huskers - It doesn't get much more "Parker luck" than that!
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 6/14/2025, 6:57 PM
Escaping to the Quantum Realm or the Void kinda defeats the whole idea of Battleworld being all of reality. The Life Raft is good enough and it's a classic icon of both the original Secret Wars and the 2015 Secret Wars. Just explain the pseudo-science of it. It's a quantum field within which everything is protected from the changes to reality happening outside. Therefore when reality changes into Battleworld the life raft s still there with it's occupants remembering the previous multiverse. It's an ark. Reed's Ark.
MadThanos
MadThanos - 6/14/2025, 7:42 PM
Any of this make sense.

It's too complex for the regular Joe.
Apophis71
Apophis71 - 6/15/2025, 9:20 AM
@MadThanos - Things like this oft do when explained in advance, why there is a percieved aversion to time travel and/or multiverse related concepts. More oft than not however when you actualy watch the films/show they are no more difficult to follow than anything else IF well written. Switch out universes battling against each other for nation states on a single planet and quantum life rafts for bunkers in remote locations for resistance fighters to use as a base and it is all much the same kinda story when you REALY get down to it.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 6/14/2025, 8:47 PM
Cool , sounds good!!.

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Given the cast confirmations so far , it makes sense that the main incursion would be the MCU vs the Monica Earth where the X-Men are at so that seemed a given.

Also still think the Void becomes Battleworld in this.
Apophis71
Apophis71 - 6/15/2025, 9:28 AM
@TheVisionary25 - Same, Battleworld will be the void and likely use the TVA HQ and HWR's castle in some way too for potential base of operations for the resistance and Doom to my mind.

Sure, that COULD be percieved as making Loki required viewing but on the other hand likely won't be as if three new locations first appeared in these two films what difference would it be to using ones that have already been introduced.

Don't need to know any of the story about what happened in Loki to understand a few locations and a line or two of dialogue can explain what Loki has been doing on his throne as the god of stories.

As it is the TVA and the Void have already been in one film anyway and never felt like you needed to have watched Loki to enjoy and follow DP&W.
IAmAHoot
IAmAHoot - 6/14/2025, 9:02 PM
Did I miss something? Who's Monica?
harryba11zack
harryba11zack - 6/14/2025, 10:00 PM
@IAmAHoot -
IAmAHoot
IAmAHoot - 6/15/2025, 8:51 AM
@harryba11zack - Yeah obviously but it still don't make sense of the quote...
Apophis71
Apophis71 - 6/15/2025, 9:42 AM
@IAmAHoot - The kid in Captain Marvel who grew up and gained powers in WandaVision (whilst working at SWORD that her mother helped create) then teamed up with the other Marvel's for a film that didn't do very well...

...upshot of The Marvel's being a rift between the MCU timeline and the Fox one opened up and she had to go to the Xmen side of that rift to fix it thus encountering and variant of her dead Mother and Beast.

Likely will take her Mothers USAF callsign and be Photon in the MCU but in the comics was initialy the second Captain Marvel (and later had the hero names of Spectrum, Pulsay and Photon amongst others after giving up the mantle of Captain Marvel to Genis-Vell, a genetically-engineered son of Mar-Vell)
IAmAHoot
IAmAHoot - 6/15/2025, 10:00 AM
@Apophis71 - Ah, thank you! The moment you said the kid from Captain Marvel it all clicked. Much obliged!
AnthonyVonGeek
AnthonyVonGeek - 6/14/2025, 9:45 PM
Will Dr Strange even remember causing that incursion?
fanboy03191
fanboy03191 - 6/14/2025, 11:50 PM
@AnthonyVonGeek - He remembered wiping Wong’s mind from that party in Kamar Taj. I think he’s the only one who remembers.
EskimoJ
EskimoJ - 6/14/2025, 10:52 PM
Nah, should've just stuck with the original plan.
Order66
Order66 - 6/14/2025, 11:26 PM
For the average Joe this will confuse the f out of them. Us Marvel nerds will get it tho. Hopefully they can write a script and explain it in the dialogue that won’t confuse regular audience.
Mrnorth1921
Mrnorth1921 - 6/14/2025, 11:52 PM
Dr strange movie explained that incursions can occur if a person from another universe stays within a universe that isn’t there for a a period of time, they will cause an incursion.

Probably why Dr. strange was adamant to get rid of all the spider man villains and Spidermen.
McMurdo
McMurdo - 6/15/2025, 12:01 AM
"They’ve explored a couple of ideas. Reed building life-rafts, the use of the Quantum Realm to escape, escaping to the Void, just a couple of the things being thrown around."

So it could be anything is what he's saying and he has no real idea, but if he throws out every option he has a better shot getting it right. This dude genuinely has a success rate on scoops of around 25%. Don't ask me ask ChatGPT.
TheShellyMan
TheShellyMan - 6/15/2025, 9:38 AM
Spider-Man's fault!
Matchesz
Matchesz - 6/15/2025, 9:43 AM
Man I just know all these protestors are going right back into the marvel studios offices and immediately writing some subplot about Doom deporting illegal latverian immigrants

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