AVENGERS: ENDGAME Writers Reveal Why THE DEFENDERS And X-MEN Characters Aren't In The Movie

AVENGERS: ENDGAME Writers Reveal Why THE DEFENDERS And X-MEN Characters Aren't In The Movie

In a new interview, Avengers: Endgame writers Christopher Markus and Stephen McFeely finally shed some light on why they decided against including Marvel TV characters and those from the X-Men Universe...

By JoshWilding - Apr 30, 2019 07:04 AM EST
Filed Under: Avengers: Endgame
Source: The New York Times
[WARNING: This Post Contains Spoilers For Avengers: Endgame]

Avengers: Endgame features an epic final battle that incorporates nearly every character from the Marvel Cinematic Universe. However, some big names were notable by their absence, and the vast majority hail from the small screen corner of this shared world. 

It's no secret that Marvel Studios and Marvel Television are two separate entities, but if the likes of Daredevil and Luke Cage were ever going to make the leap to the big screen, it should have been during the no-holds barred battle against Thanos, right? 

"We would have to introduce these five characters — or whatever many," Avengers: Endgame writer Stephen McFeely responded when asked about their absence. "We already are assuming people have seen a lot of the movies. Are we really going to assume they have bought a subscription to Netflix and watched those shows enough so that when they see them, they’re going to go 'yay?'"

"It also screws up the timelines," Christopher Markus agrees. "You would have to assume that they all got snapped away, or otherwise they might have shown up earlier. I think the only character who has come from TV to the movies is Jarvis, James D’Arcy [from 'Agent Carter']."

This isn't a surprise, but it feels like something could have been done to find a place for them.

Regardless, one set of characters who were never going to appear in Avengers: Endgame are those who live in the world of the X-Men and Fantastic Four. After McFeely noted that they were "Legally, not allowed to," Markus added: "I guess it’s done now but it wasn’t done then. They still have an 'X-Men' movie. You can’t reboot them before they’re done. 'Sorry to completely screw you.'"

What are your thoughts on these remarks? Be sure to let us know your thoughts down below. 

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Jane Foster



When Natalie Portman appeared at the Avengers: Endgame premiere, tongues started wagging. It turns out that there was a good reason for that because she appears here in scenes set during the events of Thor: The Dark World

While she doesn't have any lines and basically lies down and walks around a room, it was still really cool to see Jane return and it's hard not to wonder if this means the actress would be open to properly reprising the role one day.
 

The Ancient One



When Earth's Mightiest Heroes travel back to the Battle of New York, The Hulk attempts to track down Doctor Strange. Instead, he crosses paths with The Ancient One (who is already well aware of Strange's destiny) and after initially refusing to hand over the Time Stone, she finally relents. 

That's because she realises that Strange must have handed it over to Thanos for a reason, and it's at this point in the movie we get some insight into how time-travel works in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. 
 

Harley Keener



There have been rumblings for ages now that we'd see more of Iron Man 3's Harvey Keener in Avengers: Endgame, and he makes a blink and you'll miss it cameo appearance during Tony Stark's funeral.

That meeting with Tony Stark clearly had a huge impact on his life and it's safe to assume that he and Iron Man may have stayed in touch over the years. The question is, will he suit up as Iron Lad now?
 

Alexander Pierce



Robert Redford is supposed to have retired from acting, so his appearance here just goes to show how beloved the MCU is by those who have been part of it over the years. 

Returning to the events of The Avengers, we learn that Alexander Pierce tried to take the Tesseract from Tony Stark and Thor as it was S.H.I.E.L.D. property. However, common sense says that he actually wanted to hand it over to HYDRA and this was a neat way of showing us an unseen MCU moment.
 

Korg & Miek



The fact that Korg received his own emoji for Avengers: Endgame pretty much confirmed that he would be back, and the loveable character steals the show during his appearance here. 

It turns out that he's been living with Thor and Miek in "New Asgard" and he spends his days playing Fortnite. It's a brilliant little cameo and the Russos made excellent use of him. 
 

Howard Stark



When Steve Rogers and Tony Stark travel back to the 1970s to get their hands on the Tesseract, Iron Man comes face to face with his father. He doesn't reveal his true identity but they have a touching heart to heart conversation about parenthood and it seems as if the resentment Tony once had against Howard is finally a thing of the past.

John Slattery has done a great job as the character over the years, and it was a blast to see him reprise the role for Avengers: Endgame.
 

Edwin Jarvis



Well, I guess Agent Carter is now officially canon! As Howard Stark is leaving, we see him turn to his driver Edwin Jarvis and point out that the man he just spoke to was awfully familiar. 

Regardless of whether you watched the show, Jarvis' appearance obviously offers some insight into who Tony named his first A.I. after and it's a neat moment for fans of the series.
 

The Black Order



Thanks to time-travel, the Black Order from the past get a role here and while it's only Ebony Maw who actually has speaking lines, it was still cool to see them return (it's just a shame they're still used as cannon fodder).

Still, they serve a purpose and Maw was the standout in Avengers: Infinity War anyway, so the fact that he gets more time to interact with the Mad Titan proves to be a real treat. 
 

Brock Rumlow/Jack Rollins



Frank Grillo spoiled his return to the MCU quite some time ago, but the scene he's a part of is still fun to watch play out. As "S.H.I.E.L.D." agents take Loki's staff into custody, we finally learn how HYDRA got their hands on the stone and used it to create Quicksilver and the Scarlet Witch. 

Joining Rumlow is Jack Rollins, and the Russos then deliver a very different take on that classic elevator scene from Captain America: The Winter Soldier (more on that a little later in this post). 
 

Hank Pym



During that trip back to the 1970s, Steve Rogers is tasked with finding Pym Particles Earth's Mightiest Heroes can use to travel through time. CGI is once again used to make Michael Douglas look young, but there's an Easter Egg here which will make comic book fans immensely happy.

It turns out that Hank is working on a helmet that is identical to the one the character wore in the source material during his first appearances, and it looks downright awesome in live-action.
 

Jasper Sitwell



During that elevator scene, Jasper Sitwell refuses to give Captain America the staff that contains the Mind Stone and just as it looks like it's all about to kick off, Steve leans over to the undercover HYDRA agents and whispers, "Hail Hydra."

It's an awesome moment and one that obviously pays homage to Nick Spencer's controversial Secret Empire storyline. It's also a pretty fantastic twist. 
 

Peggy Carter



Peggy Carter makes a touching appearance right at the end of the movie, but her first cameo comes during the aforementioned 1970s sequence as Steve watches her through a window and clearly mourns the life he lost with the woman he fell in love with during the dark days of World War II. 

It's a brief appearance but one that will tug on your heartstrings and stick with your for a long time. 
 

Frigga



When the God of Thunder returns to the events of Thor: The Dark World, he comes face to face with his mother just hours before she's murdered by Malekith.

She stops him from warning her about what's going to happen and they have an otherwise very touching reunion in which Frigga offers her son some advice about what he should do next and why he's still worthy to be a God. 
 

Gamora



We all thought that Zoe Saldana would return as Gamora in the Soul Stone or something similar, but she ends up playing the 2014 version of the character and by the time the credits roll, she's turned on her father, realised what an ally her sister is, and struggled to get her head around the fact her future self falls in love with Star-Lord. 

She then goes on the run, so perhaps that plot thread will be picked up on in Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3 as her story is clearly far from over.
 

Loki



Tom Hiddleston was spotted on the set of Avengers: Endgame and he does indeed return when Earth's Mightiest Heroes head to 2012.

We see what came next after the team stood tall over him, as well as his escape, which is something that may open the door to that Disney+ TV series after Thanos murdered the God of Mischief in Avengers: Infinity War.
 

Red Skull



When Ronin and Black Widow travel to Vormir, they come face to face with the Red Skull. Neither seem to realise that he's Captain America's greatest enemy and we're sadly never treated to a confrontation between the former HYDRA leader and Steve Rogers. 

With that in mind, he doesn't make a huge impact here and it's a somewhat forgettable cameo as a result. 
 

Cassie Lang



I didn't see Katherine Langford anywhere in Avengers: Endgame but I can tell you that she wasn't playing the older Cassie Lang! 

For a while now, fans have theorised that an older Cassie could appear in the movie and that's exactly what happens when Scott Lang returns from the Quantum Realm and realises that he's been gone for the past five years. Now, the stage has been set for her to become Stature in the near future. 
 

Joe Russo



Co-director Joe Russo makes another cameo appearance in the MCU for a monologue during that support group scene, in which he talks about going on a date and the guy he was seeing bursting into tears before the salad was served. 

It's a way of showing us the trauma Thanos' attack had on the Earth and while it seems a little odd for a director to have such a memorable run of dialogue, Joe does a great job and I feel like this is a scene people will discuss for a while.
 

Jim Starlin



Infinity Gauntlet writer Jim Starlin is also part of the support group and has a couple of lines of dialogue which he delivers with great effect. It's great to see him score an appearance here, and he's definitely deserving considering how important his work to the MCU has been.

As for Stan Lee, his brilliant cameo comes during the 1970s sequence when he speeds past the Army base in a car accompanied by a beautiful young woman. If that really is going to be his final MCU appearance, then it's fair to say that the late, great comic creator has gone out on a high.
 

Yvette Nicole Brown And Ken Jeong



It's become commonplace for actors from Community to pop up in Marvel Studios movies directed by the Russo Brothers, and this time it's Ken Jeong and Yvette Nicole Brown who do the honours.

Brown plays someone who is very suspicious of Steve Rogers and Tony Stark on that Army base in the 1970s, while Jeong is a security guard watching over the storage boxes where Scott Lang's van has been kept during the time he was lost in the Quantum Realm.
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Nightwing1015
Nightwing1015 - 4/30/2019, 7:06 AM
For real though, the Defenders would get destroyed within 5 seconds.

Punisher and Daredevil are the only ones that stand a change. I think they should have made a small cameo at some point. Other characters who have been developed less still got cameos.
marvel72
marvel72 - 4/30/2019, 7:10 AM
@Nightwing1015 - The comic book versions of The Defenders were sort of in it.

The Hulk
Doctor Strange
Valkrye
LEVITIKUZ
LEVITIKUZ - 4/30/2019, 7:12 AM
@Nightwing1015 - Honestly Daredevil would get his ass kicked

Luke Cage is a bulletproof beast
Jessica Jones is superstrong
Iron Fist has that glowing fist which kind of works like T’Challa’s purple blast

Daredevil got 2 sticks
GhostDog
GhostDog - 4/30/2019, 7:19 AM
@Nightwing1015 - DD is my fave comic hero ever but Matt would get his ass STOMPED DURING THAT FINAL BATTLE.

At best, he could evade the aliens like Hakweye spent the whole time doing. But Clint has an array of explosive arrows to help him do that.

Matt would need to dip immediately
MosquitoFarmer
MosquitoFarmer - 4/30/2019, 7:07 AM
LEVITIKUZ
LEVITIKUZ - 4/30/2019, 7:08 AM
As much as I want Daredevil in the MCU, it wouldn’t have made any since for him to make his film debut in Endgame when he hasn’t been introduced in films yet

So introduce him as Charlie Cox in a Spider-Man film

And for people to say or think Charlie won’t be back (despite all signs pointing to Hulu renewing the shows after 2020), keep in mind that Charlie is married to a producer who has been involved in all the MCU tv shows

If you think Charlie is leaving or being replaced or Feige would have the balls to do a film of a character like Daredevil......
LEVITIKUZ
LEVITIKUZ - 4/30/2019, 7:11 AM
Weird question but did any of you get 2 trailers of Dark Phoenix back to back when seeing Endgame?

They really trying to make this the Endgame of X-Men and for the first trailer, half the footage was Hugh

I will admit, I did get chills & had a smile on my face seeing Hugh Jackman as Wolverine in beautiful breathtaking IMAX
LongMayHeReign
LongMayHeReign - 4/30/2019, 7:20 AM
@LEVITIKUZ - Unless Cox's wife is also a producer on the Disney+ shows she has zero pull.
LEVITIKUZ
LEVITIKUZ - 4/30/2019, 7:23 AM
@LongMayHeReign - She might

She was involved on all the Netflix shows, Agents of SHIELD, & Agent Carter

She isn’t involved on any of the other marvel shows which aren’t connected to the mcu
Kman
Kman - 4/30/2019, 7:38 AM
@LEVITIKUZ - Daredevil and Spider-Man... we will accept nothing less!
marvel72
marvel72 - 4/30/2019, 7:12 AM
Can't wait for Phase 4 but I am looking forward to Phase 5 more, especially if its when we'll see The Fantastic Four and The X-Men.
bkmeijer2
bkmeijer2 - 4/30/2019, 7:14 AM
If they were in the background, like Howard the Duck, only the eagle eyed fans probably would've focused. There were so many heroes I'm not sure if I've seen them all after several viewings. It's really just a lame excuse for saying [frick] those characters. Then again, if Jarvis could make an appearence then why couldn't the other ABC characters?
Nightwing1015
Nightwing1015 - 4/30/2019, 7:48 AM
@MalseMarcel - To be honest, I think the real reason they weren't there is legal issues. Netflix apparently had that thing in their contract that the characters can't appear in anything other than the series until 2 years after cancelation. I don't fully understand it but it would probably take some work to get them in the background of the film.
incredibleTalk
incredibleTalk - 4/30/2019, 8:40 AM
@MalseMarcel - They really didn't need them...

scapegoatjones
scapegoatjones - 4/30/2019, 7:14 AM
their excuse for not including the defenders is straight bullshit. i mean howard the duck, yes? but luke cage, no?
GhostDog
GhostDog - 4/30/2019, 7:14 AM
"I think the only character who has come from TV to the movies is Jarvis, James D’Arcy [from 'Agent Carter']."

Because Markus and McFeely created Agent Carter and its the one show that is LITERALLY WITHOUT QUESTION, connected to the films.

Mrcool210
Mrcool210 - 4/30/2019, 7:16 AM
What moron asked why the xmen wern't included? The deal wasn't done in 2017 when they shot the damn thing. Sometimes people need to think before asking dumb questions like that.



Fair enough with the defenders though. Except if Howard the duck can be in that fight, they could be too. Just have them in the background, and the eagle eyed fans could notice. Sure they wou;d "Get destroyed" but so would Howard, and again, he's there.
GhostDog
GhostDog - 4/30/2019, 7:16 AM
Matt during the final battle, being overwhelmed by sensory overload
LEVITIKUZ
LEVITIKUZ - 4/30/2019, 7:18 AM
@BlackBeltJones - more like Matt during the snap

Seriously there’s a great season of Daredevil just waiting to be written about the snap where Matt loses Foggy, Karen, & hell even Frank since I think Matt would even consider Frank somewhat of a friend
GhostDog
GhostDog - 4/30/2019, 7:21 AM
@LEVITIKUZ - "Seriously there’s a great season of Daredevil just waiting to be written about the snap where Matt loses Foggy, Karen, & hell even Frank since I think Matt would even consider Frank somewhat of a friend."



I would watch the hell out of this. Matt trying to keep a Hell's Kitchen in check, post-snap. Basically an urban wild west for him.

Seasons 4 and 5 taking place during two of the years during the five year gap. I'd take a comic continuation at this point.
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