JOKER: FOLIE À DEUX Director Breaks Down Arthur's Choice And Sequel's Shocking Ending - SPOILERS

JOKER: FOLIE À DEUX Director Breaks Down Arthur's Choice And Sequel's Shocking Ending - SPOILERS

Joker: Folie à Deux director Todd Phillips breaks down the sequel's shocking ending, and the choice Arthur Fleck makes during his trial...

By MarkCassidy - Oct 05, 2024 12:10 PM EST
Filed Under: Joker

Joker: Folie à Deux is now in theaters, and while the movie has not been embraced by the majority of fans or critics, there's no denying that director Todd Phillips clearly made the sequel he wanted to make... for better or worse.

Phillips and co-writer Scott Silver decided not to go the more obvious route of following Arthur Fleck as he fully embraced his persona as Gotham's Clown Prince of Crime, instead having Arthur take responsibility for the damage "Joker" has caused and confess to his crimes during his trial.

This alienates Lee (Lady Gaga) and the rest of his followers, and ultimately proves to be his undoing when a deranged young inmate stabs him to death in Arkham before carving a Glasgow Smile into his own face.

"Yes, this means Arthur was never really Joker in the first place; he merely served as the inspiration for the man who'd become Joker after him," confirms EW.

Phillips explained Arthur's decision during an interview with the site.

"He realized that everything is so corrupt, it’s never going to change, and the only way to fix it is to burn it all down. When those guards kill that kid in the [hospital] he realizes that dressing up in makeup, putting on this thing, it’s not changing anything. In some ways, he’s accepted the fact that he’s always been Arthur Fleck; he’s never been this thing that’s been put upon him, this idea that Gotham people put on him, that he represents. He’s an unwitting icon. This thing was placed on him, and he doesn’t want to live as a fake anymore — he wants to be who he is."

"The sad thing is, he's Arthur, and nobody cares about Arthur," he adds, noting that Lee never actually calls him by his name until she leaves him on the steps. "[She's] realizing, I’m on a whole other trip, man, you can’t be what I wanted you to be."

It seems this movie was never going to be what fans wanted it to be, either.

From acclaimed writer/director/producer Todd Phillips comes Joker: Folie À Deux, the much-anticipated follow-up to 2019’s Academy Award-winning Joker, which earned more than $1 billion at the global box office and remains the (second) highest-grossing R-rated film of all time.

The new film stars Joaquin Phoenix once again in his Oscar-winning dual role as Arthur Fleck/Joker, opposite Oscar winner Lady Gaga (A Star Is Born). The film also stars Oscar nominees Brendan Gleeson (The Banshees of Inisherin) and Catherine Keener (Get Out, Capote), alongside Zazie Beetz, reprising her role from Joker.

The movie is rated R for “some strong violence, language throughout, some sexuality, and brief full nudity.”

Do you plan on seeing the Joker sequel opening weekend? Let us know in the comments section down below.

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ItsNotForMeWahh
ItsNotForMeWahh - 10/5/2024, 12:01 PM
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HashTagSwagg
HashTagSwagg - 10/5/2024, 12:03 PM
The writers of Gotham should sue his ass.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 10/5/2024, 12:27 PM
From the first film , it was always going to be hard to make Arthur into the Joker we all know…

He was just a sad , lonely mentally Ill man who wasn’t very smart and was shit on by society every chance it seemed to get but became this unwitting symbol of a class revolution in Gotham & went along with it because it gave him the love & adoration he wanted his entire life or so he thought.

This film regardless of whether it needed to be made or not was never going to be the Joker story a lot of people wanted because the people behind that had no intention to do that..

They wanted to do a character story about the man behind the makeup while audience expectations were something else and that’s a dangerous thing.

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Feralwookiee
Feralwookiee - 10/5/2024, 12:41 PM
"Yes, this means Arthur was never really Joker in the first place; he merely served as the inspiration for the man who'd become Joker after him"

So, you just spent 4 hours watching 2 movies named Joker, that wasn't really the Joker. Sike!

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tBHzHomer
tBHzHomer - 10/5/2024, 2:46 PM
@Feralwookiee - I mean, I've literally been saying this was the case since watching the first one. I never liked the idea of him being the real Joker.
Feralwookiee
Feralwookiee - 10/5/2024, 3:19 PM
@tBHzHomer - Then don't call the movie Joker.

I'm more bothered that the "real" Joker in this universe is just some random twink named Ricky. 🤣
tBHzHomer
tBHzHomer - 10/5/2024, 3:22 PM
@Feralwookiee - that wasn't Ricky. Ricky was killed by the guards.

The real Joker being a random person is actually perfect. It fits the character.
Feralwookiee
Feralwookiee - 10/5/2024, 3:36 PM
@tBHzHomer - I haven't watched it don't plan to, but I thought the Ricky kid was the guy who carves up his face?
Either way, I hate the idea of the "real" Joker being inspired by some loser like this Arthur character.
tBHzHomer
tBHzHomer - 10/5/2024, 3:42 PM
@Feralwookiee - oh. If you haven't seen it then I'm done with this conversation.
Feralwookiee
Feralwookiee - 10/5/2024, 3:58 PM
@tBHzHomer - This is a spoilers thread, but fine.
tBHzHomer
tBHzHomer - 10/5/2024, 4:06 PM
@Feralwookiee - that's not my point. I can't have an actual conversation about it with someone who hasn't seen the movie. You don't know what actually happened, so you can't form a valid opinion on it.
HOTSHOT
HOTSHOT - 10/6/2024, 7:07 AM
@Feralwookiee - As someone who has seen and hates it, the title isn't that much of an issue. There's a reason why it's called Joker and not THE Joker.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 10/5/2024, 1:20 PM
Wait he did it because the guards killed his boyfriend? That was not clear as a character moment at all.
bobevanz
bobevanz - 10/5/2024, 2:24 PM
The biggest fail of this decade
Forthas
Forthas - 10/5/2024, 3:12 PM
The problem I have with Phillip’s interpretation is that it makes the "real Joker" someone who is impressionable. I don't think that is an effective way to characterize the Joker. For example The Dark Knight Joker rightly lived by an ideology that he believed in that one would assume he came to believe based on his own life experiences. To portray Joker as someone who is easily influenced by a charismatic individual and that he would follow that person seems to be a misunderstanding of the comic book version of Joker. Most people who are easily influenced by charismatic leaders are themselves NOT leaders which is antithetical to Joker.
colonel179
colonel179 - 10/6/2024, 12:43 AM
WB is already killing whatever good will there is for James Gunn's DCU. By allowing these POS movies to release after the new DCU was announced, people will just grow tired and won't want to watch the new universe. But it goes in line with WB to destroy everything it touches.

Superman needs to be an outstanding movie if they want the DCU to take off.t

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