Diane Lane Defends The Infamous 'Martha' Scene From BATMAN V SUPERMAN

@MattBellissimo - But-but-but... we get it... Why does everyone defending this decision assume it's because people just didn't understand it?!

@ALostCause - There's not much time for that, as they go to fight the cave troll and then supes is dead. But even during the funeral Bruce's dialog... Forget it, you're right, man.

@MattBellissimo - Yeah, right. Good thing this wasn't published over the weekend. Weekends are brutal!!

@MattBellissimo - Yeah, man. A lot of the friendly folks take off on the weekends. The butchers come out for blood on the weekends. STAY AWAY!

@FelM @ALostCause - The purpose for saying Martha is clearly bigger that, and it's what a lot of people aren't realizing. When I first saw the movie, I assumed Clark Kent did his homework on both Batman and Bruce Wayne. The Ultimate Cut confirms that. Obviously, whether Kryptonian or not, Batman knows Superman has some form of mother. Saying "they have my mother" wouldn't have made Batman halt in his actions. Now Superman, having done his research, knows saying his mother's name would give reason for Batman to pause. Why would this alien suddenly use the name of my own mother against me? Another key thing here, before the battle begins, Superman refers to Batman as Bruce. It's clear from the very beginning, he was trying to make a personal connection to Batman and stop the fight. Hence, once again, the usage of the name Martha. That's why I never saw the scene as stupid, and why I don't get many others don't understand this. Contrived? Yes. Could have been delivered in a better way? Absolutely. What did ruin the scene for me was Lois running in shouting that's his mom's name. I feel like had that been removed, because it was a really dumb addition to the scene, it might have changed the overall opinion of this scene in general. It's like the thought behind it was "the audience won't get this so let's have an in character moment making the connection for the audience."

Batman then saving Martha, as Lane says here and it's something I've debated with friends for awhile now, is a way to make up not only for his own mother, but the parents he couldn't save during the events of Man Of Steel. The many kids he couldn't prevent from being orphans, hence the importance of the scene where he rescues the girl from the collapsing rubble (field trip kids in the Ultimate Cut.)

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@DTor91 - AWESOME! Thank you!!!

@stormcr0w - why would you help the dude you just killed, if you just killed him.

supermans goal had to be to stop the fight and to talk. he was about to die, he would've just said "my mom"

but as ^^ said, he could've known bruse would react that way, thus he says Martha to trick bruce in a way.


no matter what though it's a dumb thing to add to the script without proper explanation. but the deceptive superman bit sure sounds better.

@DTor91 - "The purpose for saying Martha is clearly bigger that, ...."

Except that Batman already knows Superman's identity and thus would already know his mother's name. He never once talks to Alfred or himself about Superman's alter ego, where he lives, or who his friends are. He never mentions the fact that Lois is Superman's girlfriend and thus she's a person of interest. He never questions the thud heard, when Lex hits Clark's chest at the party. This is Batman. HE WOULD NOTICE. And he never contemplates the fact that Superman was the same reporter he got into a spat with at the party. Anyone else would say, "Wait a minute. You're the same reporter that gave me s***t at Lex's party." Plot hole so big a black hole couldn't suck it up.

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@ALostCause
@Matador
@MustangRon
@stormcr0w
@kong

@kong - exactly.

I loved it my first viewing just because of the imagery, and I turned my brain off hard.

as soon as the Martha scene came on I was just like "whatever that makes sense don't think about it" lol.

I had to try so hard to suspend my disbelief.


I wish they gave us a proper story of gods and men. they were doing ok until the actual fighting starts, and then they seemingly forget THE THEME OF THE MOVIE lol sad shit.

@ALostCause - that would have made Clark the detective and would have put two and two that Bruce Wayne was Batman.

He would have just shown up at the manor or the Batcave and gone WtF dude.

@Matador - ikr! uh this movie gives me a headache

@Matador - Ikr, at what point did Superman even learn Batman's identity? He shows no reaction to finding out. He just calls Batman by his real name, right before getting attacked.

@Luminus - oh nothing will be able to fix the plot hole of superman just NOT talking to batman the whole fight, except for threats.

I just think it makes the Martha moment less terrible. it's helping my psyche, I'm gonna believe it lol.