BATMAN v SUPERMAN: DAWN OF JUSTICE Director Zack Snyder FINALLY Explains The Infamous "Martha!" Scene

BATMAN v SUPERMAN: DAWN OF JUSTICE Director Zack Snyder FINALLY Explains The Infamous "Martha!" Scene

Talking about Rebel Moon - Part 2: The Scargiver, filmmaker Zack Snyder has explained why he didn't make Man of Steel 2 and offers his take on Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice's divisive "Martha!" scene.

By JoshWilding - Apr 19, 2024 05:04 AM EST
Filed Under: Batman vs. Superman

When Zack Snyder announced Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice at the 2013 San Diego Comic-Con, DC fans were overjoyed. It was beginning to feel like the characters would never share the screen, and that subtitle - while not exactly subtle - also teased the Justice League's eventual formation.

Throw in the fact Snyder revealed the movie while quoting Frank Miller's The Dark Knight Returns, and things initially looked good for the Man of Steel sequel. 

Talking to Josh Horowitz, the filmmaker explained why he decided to bring Superman and Batman together on screen rather than moving forward with the expected Man of Steel follow-up. 

"Once you talk about the fact that Bruce Wayne exists in the same world as Superman, right? Then you are into a Batman concept. You have to finish that thought," Snyder explained. "Now, Man of Steel 2, if you were to make it, you know with Brainiac or whatever you're gonna do, which it certainly could have been...and maybe that's it, you hold it off for a movie, and that's possible."

"I just felt like I needed to know what Bruce's take on this was, like, Bruce's take on the near-destruction of the world. And it really depends on how important you think Batman is in the Trinity."

As incredible as it was to see these two icons share the screen - and go to war with each other - many fans became bogged down with one scene, in particular: we are, of course, referring to the infamous "Martha!" sequence. 

In that, the Dark Knight is about to deliver a killing blow to the Man of Tomorrow when the latter calls out for his mother, Martha...the same name as Bruce Wayne's dead mom. Batman then relents and befriends the Kryptonian. 

Here's how Snyder rationalises what he believed would be an "amazing" moment in the 2016 blockbuster.

"When [screenwriter] Chris Terrio and I were talking about it, he said, 'You know that their mothers have the same name,' and I was like, 'Oh that's crazy, I never thought about that.' And he goes, 'Yeah, like imagine that Batman sees Superman as an alien, as a monster, but realizes that his dead mother has the same name as this thing that he considers nonhuman. Like, that's gonna get him.' And I'm like, 'That is gonna get him, that's amazing.'"

"What else could he say to Batman, holding the Kryptonite spear about to plunge it into his heart — like, what is he gonna say to convince him that his love of humanity is as high as Batman's? I mean, really, [Batman] could kill him in a second, like literally in a second, so that was why I was like, 'Ok well, he's gotta play every possible trick.'"

What do you think about Snyder's explanation? Let us know in the comments section and watch the full interview below.

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harryba11zack
harryba11zack - 4/19/2024, 6:01 AM
You don't need!!!! to explain high art.
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Goldboink
Goldboink - 4/19/2024, 9:17 AM
@harryba11zack -
If you are still trying to explain what your movie meant 8 years later you are in serious trouble.
Malatrova15
Malatrova15 - 4/19/2024, 6:01 AM
He explains so good.
BraveNewClunge
BraveNewClunge - 4/19/2024, 6:12 AM
I love MOS with all my heart but hiring a TDKR fanatic to direct superman movies was WB major mistake.

They should have handed MOS2 to another director and allowed slSnyder to make an elseworlds version of TDKR separatefrom the mainline DCEU.
GhostDog
GhostDog - 4/19/2024, 6:19 AM
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bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 4/19/2024, 6:24 AM
Honestly, I'm fine with that explanation. It's a good idea, but like with almost anything Snyder does the execution was just really poorly done. It should speak for itself
RedFury
RedFury - 4/19/2024, 7:01 AM
@bkmeijer1 - totally agree. The psychology of the idea is sound. It was just done so heavy handed... some nuance would have gone a long way with that idea. Men and their mothers have a deep, emotional, and powerful bond. So it makes a lot of sense that it would humanize Supes to Bruce, and snap him out of a murderous rage. But they just made it happen in such a forced moment it came off as silly.
MG0019
MG0019 - 4/19/2024, 9:24 AM
@RedFury - I agree, and think part of the bigger problem is the entire fight between BvS is forced. Ok, Bruce thinks he’s hunting an alien; but why is Superman throwing hands like they hate each other? As someone below said, having Superman talk, say something like “I don’t care if you kill me, save my mother, Martha...” Bruce would respond to that. Instead we have two roided up hulks yelling at each other for no reason, ending in “MARTHAAAAAA!!” It’s ridiculous.
RedFury
RedFury - 4/19/2024, 9:26 AM
@MG0019 - hahaha yeah that's it right there. It's like they put the characters to the side just so they could have an epic brawl, and then try to cram in some clunky realization to bring the characters back.
TrentCrimm
TrentCrimm - 4/19/2024, 9:40 AM
@bkmeijer1 -

It's more or less how I always interpreted the scene.

Batman sees Superman as just a faceless alien threat, and when he hears Superman say Martha's name, it sort of snaps him back to reality for a second, making him realize Superman feels the same love for humanity and family as Batman does, giving him a different perspective, it humanizes Superman in Bruce's eyes.
Se4M4NSt4ine
Se4M4NSt4ine - 4/19/2024, 6:25 AM
Snyder trying to explain something is the closest I can describe a migraine feeling like.
DENNISsystem
DENNISsystem - 4/19/2024, 2:04 PM
@Se4M4NSt4ine - if he walked into an AA meeting and opened his mouth, everyone would relapse out of sheer aggravation
DerekLake
DerekLake - 4/19/2024, 6:32 AM
When explained like that the Martha scene seems like it would work, but it doesn’t because 1) This Batman’s argument against Superman is philosophical, even if driven by xenophobia; 2) This Superman’s opposition to Batman is driven by Batman’s tactics, which don’t change after this scene; and 3) this Batman doesn’t have a principled opposition to killing humans, so perceiving Superman’s humanity would not reasonably alter his course of action
Toonstrack
Toonstrack - 4/20/2024, 1:20 AM
@DerekLake - 100% this. Inarguable.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 4/19/2024, 6:36 AM
I’m pretty sure he has talked about this before…

Anyway , I do think it could have worked honestly not just because their moms have the same name (which by itself is silly) but because it could have made Bruce realize that he has become the type of person he was fighting against.

Snyder’s version of Batman in concept imo was a man who has been doing it for so long and has suffered losses that have made him lose his way but through Superman’s influence , he begins to seek redemption and become a hero again with this moment being the beginning of that…

As we saw in the prologue , Thomas Wayne had said Martha’s name before dying and having Clark say it before he’s about to be killed could have triggered Bruce back to that moment and made him realize what he has become which i think was the intention but the execution just wasn’t well done imo.

As it is and due to Affleck’s silly modulated Batman voice , it just makes it seem like he’s having a conniption thus it becomes unintentionally funny.

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GeneralChaos
GeneralChaos - 4/19/2024, 6:40 AM
Fun Fact: Clark and Bruce's mothers are both women.
AC1
AC1 - 4/19/2024, 6:46 AM
I understood the idea straight away, but it was poorly executed. And I say that as someone who still enjoys BvS. The issue with all of Zack's DC movies is there are concepts and ideas in each of them that still needed refining but weren't.
TheUnworthyThor
TheUnworthyThor - 4/19/2024, 6:50 AM
He had Batman about to murder Superman who has been pleading for his help the whole “fight” all just because Superman is powerful. That’s what he thinks of those characters.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 4/19/2024, 6:58 AM
@TheUnworthyThor - to be fair , it wasn’t the whole fight

Superman just starts punching him too lol
JobinJ
JobinJ - 4/19/2024, 6:55 AM
No need to explain. We all understand why. I personally though the scene worked well.
DocSpock
DocSpock - 4/19/2024, 8:45 AM
@JobinJ -

They have doctors who can help you with that.

Slotherin
Slotherin - 4/19/2024, 12:52 PM
@JobinJ - exactly
Slotherin
Slotherin - 4/19/2024, 12:53 PM
@DocSpock - they have therapists that can help if you have trouble accepting people like different things
SpiderParker
SpiderParker - 4/19/2024, 6:58 AM
All Joker ever needed to do to win against Batman was to have his mother change her name officially to Martha. That's Gotham's Get Out of Jail Free card!

"Hey, Bruce, I killed your parents and I want your company but don't worry, my mom's name is Martha."
"Sure Joe Chill, here you go."
The End.
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