CAPTAIN AMERICA: BRAVE NEW WORLD Originally Featured An Appearance From A Multiversal Illuminati

CAPTAIN AMERICA: BRAVE NEW WORLD Originally Featured An Appearance From A Multiversal Illuminati

It’s been revealed that Captain America: Brave New World originally featured an appearance from the Illuminati and it sounds like that group will be a major part of Avengers: Doomsday. Read on for more...

By JoshWilding - Feb 21, 2025 04:02 PM EST
Source: The Wrap

Captain America: Brave New World ended with a vague tease for Avengers: Doomsday. During a tense exchange with Samuel Sterns in The Raft, the villain warned Sam Wilson that "it's coming" and said he'd "seen it in the probabilities."

"All you heroes protecting this world. Do you think you're the only ones? Do you think this is the only world?" The Leader asked the hero. "We'll see what happens when you have to protect this place...from the others." Who or what are the "others"?

Well, some fans believe it might have been the Council of Kangs, especially as much of this movie was shot when Avengers: Doomsday was still called Avengers: The Kang Dynasty. We've also seen suggestions that it's simply the heroes (or villains) from another reality who will battle Earth-616's Mightiest Heroes when an Incursion occurs. 

According to The Wrap, there was going to be a version of the Illuminati in Captain America: Brave New World. We met that group in Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness, though the Scarlet Witch made short work of them on Earth-838. 

The trade asked Captain America: Brave New World director Julius Onah about who made up the group and he responded, "I’m not going to say! I’m not going to say [Laughs]. Let’s just say things are purposely left vague in that post-credit for a reason."

Since then, scooper Alex Perez has shared the following:

There have been theories about Doctor Doom leading a group of Variants who are attempting to save the Multiverse, with at least one of them likely a version of Steve Rogers who is loyal to HYDRA.

We'll have to wait and see, though this and other comments from Perez have suggested Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse's Miguel O'Hara will be part of the team. 

Talking more about the post-credits scene, Onah said, "That was always pretty much the post-credit scene, and I say that because we didn’t shoot that until our additional photography process, which was when we always knew we were going to do it, because we had this time period allocated to do it."

"And the goal was to make sure that we were doing it at a time which, because of the strikes, we weren’t writing, nobody was writing, where there was just a clearer picture of where things were going," he concluded. 

Captain America: Brave New World is now playing in theaters. 

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HashTagSwagg
HashTagSwagg - 2/21/2025, 4:23 PM
They made the same mistake they made with Kang in Clown. Our first impression of these loser's is that they are irrational, dumb decision makers who callously giveaway vital tactically information to their enemies. No one is hyped about seeing them again.
mountainman
mountainman - 2/21/2025, 4:29 PM
@HashTagSwagg - Are you talking about the group from MoM?

Yeah they were useless and it made every character in that group look weak. MCU Illuminati were disposable idiots the first time we met them.
Batmangina
Batmangina - 2/21/2025, 5:24 PM
@HashTagSwagg - Yep.

However, wouldn't it have been SWEET AF to get a full hot order of Mr. Stachetastic early?

WE WERE ROBBED OF OUR FAIR SHARE OF PEDRO PASCAL
BB8ANG
BB8ANG - 2/21/2025, 4:30 PM
The Illumi-WHAT-i?
MisterBones
MisterBones - 2/21/2025, 4:32 PM
The script for this movie:

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MakeAmericaGrea
MakeAmericaGrea - 2/21/2025, 4:33 PM
A movie with the subtitle New World Order would have had someone in the Illuminati in it?

What did Bob Iger want to tell us?
MakeAmericaGrea
MakeAmericaGrea - 2/21/2025, 4:37 PM
@MakeAmericaGrea -

Disney always planned to throw out the subtitle New World Order, make the public aware of that term, and then not use it. They are taunting.
da2213viking
da2213viking - 2/21/2025, 4:52 PM
@MakeAmericaGrea - Cmon Joe. We already know the response you are gonna get from a comment like this. Lets not do that. I highly doubt they are taunting people with it. Lets be better and not do this.
McMurdo
McMurdo - 2/21/2025, 5:14 PM
@MakeAmericaGrea - you're talking to yourself again.
MakeAmericaGrea
MakeAmericaGrea - 2/21/2025, 6:38 PM
@McMurdo -

You wish no one was reading what I post.
WhatIfRickJames
WhatIfRickJames - 2/21/2025, 6:57 PM
@MakeAmericaGrea - everyone wishes, dude.
DaHULK2000
DaHULK2000 - 2/21/2025, 4:38 PM
Its not being admitted by the producer(s) but Elijah richardson(PATRIOT) DID shoot scenes in this FILM Initially, I Don't get why Nate Moore lied about this? Especially when proof of this still remains in the film Inspite of his scenes being cut.

He played a secret service agent, and is part of the red hulk transformation scene as well(he's apart the group of secret service agents who start firing on President Ross after he fully transforms and begins his rampage, he even has patriots signature Gold star badge on his right lapel..its three shots at the most(he the agent that runs behind the column to avoid debris hurtled at him from ross.
Gambito
Gambito - 2/21/2025, 4:43 PM
@DaHULK2000 - maybe they realized having a kid from the hood becoming a secret service agent on Ross’s crew in less than 5 years was ludicrous
DaHULK2000
DaHULK2000 - 2/21/2025, 4:59 PM
@Gambito - oh I agree..I'm not a fan of the character ether way..I was just amazed at how that jumped out at me while I was watching the film, as well as nate Moore saying that his character was dropped early from the script. The brazen lying about this is what I'm really getting at.

But a "kid from the hood" becoming a secert service agent isnt unheard of in anyway..the youngest secret service agent on record as of now was 22. I haven't watched "Falcon and The Winter Soldier so maybe I'm missing something.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 2/21/2025, 5:28 PM
@DaHULK2000 - Hate it when they lie. It's entertainment, not Area 51. Fans like to know this shit, don't cover it up y'know?
RongDesign
RongDesign - 2/22/2025, 2:06 AM
@DaHULK2000 - When they made Isaiah Bradley a pawn, the conflict of interest of him protecting the president from his grandfather probably ended up writing them into a corner.
Gambito
Gambito - 2/21/2025, 4:40 PM
Very wise decision the movie needed to focus on Sam and Ross nobody else, plus who the hell wants to revisit the Illuminati after that horrid cocktease Multiverse of Madness
JacobsLadder
JacobsLadder - 2/21/2025, 8:22 PM
@Gambito - what a waste of Reed Richards.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 2/21/2025, 4:44 PM
Basically the interviewer says that he heard that an Illuminati would have been in this movie too and asks Onah who would have made up that group to which the latter gives his response which doesn’t really confirm anything…

So Ultimately it seems like a source told him who could have been right or wrong so who knows?.

I don’t even know where in the film they would have fit since it’s such a grounded movie tonally and it doesn’t seem like any other post credits scene was considered (which makes those WWH’s rumors fake too).

Anyway , I’m glad it didn’t happen since this wasn’t the appropriate movie for that….

Maybe FF?.
Apophis71
Apophis71 - 2/21/2025, 5:01 PM
@TheVisionary25 - There was another article that stated there was multiple end credit's considered, the general idea was always the same as in teasing the future but the specifics did alter as other projects changed and shuffled order of release thus ended up vague where in one idea they may have referenced an illuminati team that may at one point have been intended to be included in Kang Dynasty (which was still what the plan was when first filming) then maybe had to be dropped when switching to Doomsday with an unfinished script in the reshoots.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 2/21/2025, 5:10 PM
@Apophis71 - perhaps , certainly possible

Even so with the director wanting it to be as grounded as possible throughout even with the post credits scene , I just don’t think we would have gotten anything more then a mention
Apophis71
Apophis71 - 2/21/2025, 5:18 PM
@TheVisionary25 - Oh at most it would have been a line of dialogue they opted not to go with I'd say, showing them would be unlikely if not even cast yet or any word on trying to get prior Fox etc actors in to do it which we heard nothing specific about. Ultimately they'd be limited how specific they could go depending on what was confirmed or in flux in other future films/shows but it doesn't mean they wouldn't have bounced ideas off Feige and co that never got used.
MyCoolYoung
MyCoolYoung - 2/21/2025, 4:47 PM
That would have been bad and for no reason other than complaints about a lack of direction.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 2/21/2025, 4:50 PM
@MyCoolYoung - I agree

However I don’t buy this even being considered for this film tbh

It’s left vague so Marvel can figure it out later
MyCoolYoung
MyCoolYoung - 2/21/2025, 11:50 PM
@TheVisionary25 - this I definitely agree with. I’ve even read some things about fantastic four that basically says the same thing
Dotanuki
Dotanuki - 2/21/2025, 4:48 PM
Awful post credit scene meant to set up multiple movies. Should have happened years ago after Endgame. Rushing to the finish line rarely works out.
MarvelZombie616
MarvelZombie616 - 2/21/2025, 4:48 PM
Marvel is horseshit these days.
If Thunderbolts and F4 are the same level of crap as most of Phase 4, i won't watch the next movie after that on opening day and wait for wom.
Oberlin4Prez
Oberlin4Prez - 2/21/2025, 4:50 PM
Why are we going on and on about what could have been?
MakeAmericaGrea
MakeAmericaGrea - 2/21/2025, 6:42 PM
@Oberlin4Prez -

To strike while the iron is hot and get and engagement from this movie while they can.
Oberlin4Prez
Oberlin4Prez - 2/21/2025, 6:58 PM
@MakeAmericaGrea - I mean, Josh is the king of beating a dead horse.
KennKathleen
KennKathleen - 2/21/2025, 7:34 PM
@Oberlin4Prez - "Why are we going on and on about what could have been?"

Because 'what could have been' is usually far better than "what actually was". The hindsight is becoming nauseating.

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bobevanz
bobevanz - 2/21/2025, 4:59 PM
It was so vague, that it seems it wasn't even a thing at all
OrgasmicPotatoe
OrgasmicPotatoe - 2/21/2025, 5:25 PM
I hate when a trash movie comes out, and after the fact we get to see how much cooler the stuff that they cut was. Were they even trying ?
ShimmyShimmyYA
ShimmyShimmyYA - 2/21/2025, 6:09 PM
@OrgasmicPotatoe - they’re trying too hard to course
Correct everything. Just let the movie be made and stop micromanaging
OrgasmicPotatoe
OrgasmicPotatoe - 2/21/2025, 6:34 PM
@ShimmyShimmyYA - Agreed 100%.

It seems to me this strategy of constantly tweaking the movie with numerous test screenings and reshoots just dilutes the finished product. I wish they'd just start development on a movie and stick to their guns all the way through release, just to see the difference.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 2/21/2025, 5:34 PM
Multiversey moments mighta made a movie more money. Just sayn, NWH, DS-MOM and D&W made bank.

It'd be niche, but I'd love to see 1990 Cap.
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and even though they're probably all dead, a nod to the original Cap would be cool. The very first Marvel Cinematic anything ever!!!!
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RockBottom
RockBottom - 2/21/2025, 6:58 PM
Good thing it didn’t make the final cut because I’m over it. I’m over the multiverse nonsense. Secret Wars can’t get here any quicker I’m ready for it to end.
Rosraf
Rosraf - 2/22/2025, 3:00 AM
One of the best things about CA:BNW was the lack of multi-verse plot. I'm glad they didn't try to shoe-horn the illuminati in.

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