THE MARVELS EP On The Characters Who Appeared In Sequel's Uncanny Mid-Credits Scene - SPOILERS

THE MARVELS EP On The Characters Who Appeared In Sequel's Uncanny Mid-Credits Scene - SPOILERS

The Marvels executive producer Mary Livanos has weighed in on the movie's much-discussed mid-credits scene, explaining why they decided to go with the characters who appeared...

By MarkCassidy - Nov 14, 2023 08:11 AM EST
Filed Under: The Marvels

After years of rumors and speculation, Marvel Studios finally gave us some insight into their plans to introduce the X-Men to the MCU in the mid-credits scene of The Marvels.

Towards the end of the Captain Marvel sequel, Dar-Benn uses both Quantum Bands to create a gateway between Earth and Hala in an attempt to drain the energy of Earth's sun and reignite that of her home planet's. Monica asks Carol and Kamala to use their abilities to supercharge hers, and manages to close the rift, trapping herself in another universe in the process.

Then, in the mid-credits scene, Monica wakes up in a medical lab with her late mother, Maria (Lashana Lynch) by her side. Rambeau is overcome with joy, but Maria - who is actually this world's Binary - has no idea who she is. As Monica's confusion grows, a familiar voice asks "how's our patient," and a comic-accurate, fully CGI take on Hank McCoy, aka Beast (voiced by X-Men: The Last Stand's Kelsey Grammar), enters the room.

McCoy mentions Charles Xavier, which obviously suggests that there are more mutants/X-Men in this location, and Monica has entered their timeline. Whether it will prove to be the exact same universe as the one 20th Century Fox's movies take place in or a slightly ret-conned reality remains to be seen, however.

During an interview with EW, executive producer Mary Livanos was asked if she always knew that "The Marvels would be the movie to introduce the X-Men?"

"The notion that Monica ends up in an alternate universe with the hope that it could tie in with the X-Men was something I always had on my to-do list," she explained. "I love how in the comics, Carol Danvers as Binary spends some time with the X-Men in space, and I love the idea that in an alternate universe, it was Maria who beat Carol Danvers to the hangar back during the events of Captain Marvel, so she won and got those powers. That was something that was always really intriguing. Again, in Kelly Sue DeConnick's run of Captain Marvel, there's an incredible storyline where Carol essentially time travels and gives herself powers in the past, rather than the male Captain Marvel. That was always a really mind-bending, beautiful storyline that we wanted to bring to life in some way. So, we tried to capture that spirit with this, and of course, it hearkens back to their conversation on the porch, when Carol goes to visit Maria.

But I'm so delighted that Kevin [Feige] and folks were stoked about the idea of Binary and the fact that she does fit into the X-Men universe. As a fan, I was just absolutely floored and delighted that we got to get Beast in there and have a big old X, right behind Binary. It was bananas."

As exciting as the notion of the X-Men being a part of the MCU is, Marvel does have a habit of teasing things in these stingers that don't pay off for a long time... if at all. Next year's Deadpool 3 will feature Hugh Jackman's Wolverine (other classic mutant characters are also rumored to appear), but we may be waiting a while for official word on an actual X-Men MCU reboot.

"In Marvel Studios’ The Marvels, Carol Danvers aka Captain Marvel has reclaimed her identity from the tyrannical Kree and taken revenge on the Supreme Intelligence. But unintended consequences see Carol shouldering the burden of a destabilized universe. When her duties send her to an anomalous wormhole linked to a Kree revolutionary, her powers become entangled with that of Jersey City super-fan Kamala Khan, aka Ms. Marvel, and Carol’s estranged niece, now S.A.B.E.R. astronaut Captain Monica Rambeau. Together, this unlikely trio must team up and learn to work in concert to save the universe as The Marvels.”

The film also stars Zawe Ashton and Park Seo-joon. Nia DaCosta directs, and Kevin Feige is the producer. Louis D’Esposito, Victoria Alonso, Mary Livanos and Matthew Jenkins serve as executive producers. The screenplay is by Megan McDonnell, Nia DaCosta, Elissa Karasik and Zeb Wells.

The Marvels will begin its international rollout on November 8, and was recently granted a China release on November 10, day-and-date with North America.

Do you plan on seeing The Marvels in theaters? Drop us a comment down below.

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Vigor
Vigor - 11/14/2023, 8:15 AM
Would you guys like it if xmen '97 new season finale ended with this scene? But in animated form? Trying to see where this Fandom is at

Seeing how the Sony spider verse is playing around with live action, I wonder if it was the plan for xmen '97 to be one of the MCU universes, and for this credits scene to be Monica crossing over to that reality
mountainman
mountainman - 11/14/2023, 8:24 AM
@Vigor - I wouldn't like it because I’d like X-Men 97 to just be it’s own thing as a sequel to the original animated series. The more it’s tied into the larger MCU, the more baggage and potential issues it may have.

If we all have homework to watch every project in the MCU, it’s going to turn off a lot more people. There are a lot of us that just want the mutants. We don’t want to have to watch every other show and movie to enjoy them.
marvel72
marvel72 - 11/14/2023, 8:27 AM
@mountainman -

Vigor
Vigor - 11/14/2023, 8:31 AM
@mountainman - good viewpoint !
If Monica showed up at the very end of the season but we are seeing that scene play from beasts POV, it would still allow that season to focus and pickup from where it was left off
But the NEXT season would have obvious ties to the multiverse saga and that's where staying atop the connectivity probably enhances the experience

But I totally see where you're coming from 💯
mountainman
mountainman - 11/14/2023, 8:40 AM
@Vigor - What If was billed as being tied into the multiverse. This show was being billed as a continuation from the 1992 animated series.

If this goes too hard into the overall continuity too fast, it’s going to turn off a lot of people. They should really wait until a few seasons in, closer to secret wars, before they do it.

The thing is a majority of people don’t like the multiverse storyline. From declining box office, to reading the feedback in reviews, to lower viewers on D+. The data is there that this stuff just isn’t resonating.

Why would they risk ruining their biggest animated property ever being revived by tying it in too early to an unpopular storyline?

Do you know how many adults in their 30s and 40s that are just normies and not even big MCU fans have nostalgia towards the original series? If they played it right (meaning straight sequel without other MCU ties), this could be a huge hit. But if they make it more MCU continuity heavy, a lot of those normies that would be interested in a X-Men TAS sequel could be turned off with this larger MCU / multiverse tie in.

I think it should stand on its own. Maybe by season 3 closer to secret wars, you can see this universe tie into the larger multiverse. But definitely not in season 1.
thewanderer
thewanderer - 11/14/2023, 8:43 AM
@Vigor - I don’t think that any of that will happen, but I will say that this version of Beast very much resembles the animated version.
Vigor
Vigor - 11/14/2023, 8:45 AM
@mountainman - I agree it would be a risky move for all the reasons you stated

Feige thinks like me. Or rather I think like feige. So all this planning and plotting kind of delights me as a project manager and someone with an active imagination. I like weird shit like inception and tenet that make you think. So it's pretty obvious why the multiverse connects with me. But all over from deep nerds to casuals are tired of the multiverse as a concept. So just because I like it and feige likes it doesn't mean others will too!

But from a business standpoint and to be able to say "we pulled it off", I can see how the bosses at Disney wouldn't hesitate to connect xmen 97 to what's going on in multiverse saga. What they want to happen is for people to (an example) go and see the marvels, fall in love with Iman, and then go renew disney ➕️ so they can watch ms marvel season 1 and wandavision for Monica's introduction. That interconnectivity is their money model. Too bad it isn't resonating 😮‍💨
Vigor
Vigor - 11/14/2023, 8:52 AM
@thewanderer - high chance it won't. But if it does can you remember me? 🥹
FinnishDude
FinnishDude - 11/14/2023, 8:53 AM
@Vigor - I would be confused why not get George Buza to voice the Beast in The Marvels, if it is supposed to be the same version of the character he is going to reprise later in the cartoon revival.
Vigor
Vigor - 11/14/2023, 8:57 AM
@FinnishDude - good point. I missed that. Kinda dispels my theory doesn't it
mountainman
mountainman - 11/14/2023, 8:58 AM
@Vigor - I’m also in project management and I’m a huge fan of systems thinking and behavioral economics. I like seeing things from the big picture and the concept of multiverses is interesting to me. Everything Everywhere All At Once was a great movie. I enjoy thought experiments, alternate takes, etc.

Where I run into issues with the MCU specifically, is that I’m expected to keep up with so many different shows and movies and, since Endgame, I think more than half of them are bad. So it’s not being against the concept of the multiverse, it’s the required continuity associated with the modern MCU.
Vigor
Vigor - 11/14/2023, 9:22 AM
@mountainman - would you be more inclined to keep up with all the content if the quality were more consistent across the board?
And what you do for a living sounds pretty interesting. Is your company investing in A.I. technologies and advancements?
thedrudo
thedrudo - 11/14/2023, 9:32 AM
@Vigor - Agree that it coming from Beast's point of view would rule. Going to echo others about the voice not matching and that would take us out of it.
SummersEssex
SummersEssex - 11/14/2023, 9:52 AM
@Vigor - not sure if we need a tie-in like that, but I wouldn't hate it, I suppose. Except since this is a sequel to the original animated series in which Carol Danvers already exists as the Ms. Marvel Rogue got her powers from, I don't think that would make sense.

Sidenote, Lashana Lynch is always so good onscreen. Just really solid acting, even for such limited screen time in this one.
mountainman
mountainman - 11/14/2023, 9:58 AM
@Vigor - I’m in telecom, although I’m about to start a new job in the manufacturing sector. AI is used at all companies, but I can’t say I’m heavily involved in its development.

To answer your question, if the projects were more to my liking, I’d be more invested in current MCU. But I still believe there is too much content and continuity these days. Making the shows more or less required viewing for movies was a mistake in my opinion.
marvel72
marvel72 - 11/14/2023, 8:29 AM
I have a feeling that X-Men 97 will feel more like The X-Men comic books than the movie will.
GeneralZod
GeneralZod - 11/14/2023, 9:04 AM
@marvel72 - At this point, I have lost all faith in Marvel Studios. The combination of agenda-pushing and overall bad writing has proved to be lethal to the creativity of the studio.
BlackSpider
BlackSpider - 11/14/2023, 1:49 PM
@GeneralZod - Ok?
WhateverItTakes
WhateverItTakes - 11/14/2023, 8:36 AM
Like with the flash with her nemesis be non-binary
Nomis929
Nomis929 - 11/14/2023, 8:40 AM
If they wanted to introduced the X-Men in a Captain Marvel movie, they should've had it where Carol somehow goes to the X-men universe and have it out with Rogue! Get that Classic rivary Started!

Origame
Origame - 11/14/2023, 8:53 AM
I get the reference, but uncanny has an unintended jab aimed at the cgi there if you think about it 🤣
slickrickdesigns
slickrickdesigns - 11/14/2023, 8:55 AM
X-men 97 live action
cubichy
cubichy - 11/14/2023, 9:16 AM
The movie tanked cause it was a secondary character and 2 tertiary characters. No one cares about photon, they should just scrap the movie like it never happened, cause it didnt, cause no one saw it. The message here which no one seem to be getting is that the if a tree falls and no one sees or hears it, did it truly fall. Well, no one saw it, so it didn't happen. Do you all think that Feigue is going to keep investing in this group, i don't think so. Young avengers is crap and will tank also, I have zero interest. Bring back Steve rogers and tony stark, don't care about actors and get the Xmen and FF4, that's 2-3 billion story right there and jettison, photon and this entire travesty.
Vigor
Vigor - 11/14/2023, 9:25 AM
@cubichy - i don't think people want steve and tony back. Their stories ended perfectly wouldn't you agree?
Marvel needs to regroup and focus on quality. Tier 1 characters are great but if the quality isn't there then people will start hating all over again.
Think about it
If Ironman sucked, are you going to say "it's because he was a C list hero"? No its because they dropped the ball

Kate bishop and Ms marvel are Awesome characters. I'm talking the mcu versions. Excellent casting. They just need to be complemented with awesome stories from good writers and producers
IronMan616
IronMan616 - 11/14/2023, 9:37 AM
@Vigor - An entire movie of zombie Tony Stark visiting old man Steve Rogers in a nursing home, just two hours of them doing nothing but sitting down talking about old times, would sell more tickets than The Marvels.
Izaizaiza
Izaizaiza - 11/14/2023, 9:48 AM
@cubichy - Although I agree that we need to reboot the MCU and get all the characters back, The Marvels is tanking (I think) because the writing was bad and because the multiverse "saga" is a bore.

It's a shame too, because the three leads gave it their all. With a decent script, it could have been a great film. Hoping for a Ms. Marvel season 2
Vigor
Vigor - 11/14/2023, 10:20 AM
@IronMan616 - lol ok I chuckled
cubichy
cubichy - 11/14/2023, 11:32 AM
@Vigor - it's a comic book movie, comic being the key here, the anchor characters are Cap and Tony, they always come back in the comics, marvel would tank without them and maybe spiderman. Why not do the same on the MCU, don't care about the actors, but the character tony and cap, critical. that's why the movie tanked, no connection to avengers, which is the core of the MCU. If feige doesn't understand that, they are in real trouble.
AvalonX
AvalonX - 11/14/2023, 2:05 PM
@Vigor - Its DOA man. How many times can you cart Ms. Marvel out there and have it bomb. A show that they had to give away ...and no one watched it. A movie that is the worst bomb in MCU history and don't forget about the Avengers game she headlines which cost the studio millions.

Her comic keeps getting cancelled. They retconned her to be an inhuman AND a mutant so shes an X-man now. Shes been on the Champions, Avengers and the X-men. She just isn't that popular.
Reginator
Reginator - 11/14/2023, 9:40 AM
Need the original Mar-Vell from the comics not the cheap knockoff danvers.
SpideyPuffsMJ
SpideyPuffsMJ - 11/14/2023, 9:49 AM
More like Uncanny Valley
WEAPONXOXOXO
WEAPONXOXOXO - 11/14/2023, 11:22 AM
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bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 11/14/2023, 11:48 AM
"The Marvels would be the movie to introduce the X-Men?"

Yeah, let's just forget about Doctor Strange.

Anyway, it's a fun nod to the comics I guess. But I expect Secret Wars to put a cap on (all the characters from) the multiverse, so I just can't really get invested in these multiversal X-Men.
AvalonX
AvalonX - 11/14/2023, 2:07 PM
I'm not sure what they are doing and if this is meant to be the Fox-verse. I wonder if they are just going to bring the First Class cast into the MCU. They are young enough. Maybe you don't need to recast it. Why else bring Jackman back? Seemed to be a lot easier to just recast and introduce them.

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