Did The Antics Of DEADPOOL 2 Spoil The Plot Of X-Men Dark Phoenix?

Did The Antics Of DEADPOOL 2 Spoil The Plot Of X-Men Dark Phoenix?

Like most moviegoers, you probably got whiplash from trying to catch all the cameos in Deadpool 2, however, there's one scene in particular that is bound to get long time fans of the comics talking.

By LiteraryJoe - Jun 05, 2018 06:06 AM EST
Filed Under: Deadpool 2
Warning: Spoilers for Deadpool 2 and Possible spoilers for X-Men: Dark Phoenix ahead…

Timelines, schmimelines, right? At this point of the game, it’s safe to say that we’re all tired of the time Fox has spent playing with our emotions, and more importantly, the X-Men. Around the world, fans eagerly wait with bated breath to see what will come of the Disney/Fox deal in hopes that it will offer us more a more recognizable take on fan favorite characters like the Fantastic Four and the X-Men. In the meantime, however, Fox remains in charge, and if there is one thing we’ve learned about Fox, it’s that they love to screw with the timelines, something that is continually evidenced in Deadpool 2 (all the way through the credits).

Now, it is important to remember that Deadpool as a character and as a film is meant to break the fourth wall, and as such, most wacky things can be explained away within the confines of his solo outings as ranging from a simple delusion to something meant for the audience that can only affect the character himself, and not his reality. However, judging as the studio has failed to grasp the concept of nearly every character they own up to this point, expecting something like that from them is a tall order, and it is much easier to formulate the idea that it is more likely that they simply made a mistake. So, what is that mistake, and what does all of this have to do with X-Men: Dark Phoenix, a movie that doesn’t release until Valentine’s Day 2019?

This movie is riddled with cameos, from Matt Damon to Brad Pitt, many of which are blink and you miss them situations, but the most exciting arguably takes place in the X Mansion during Deadpool’s visit there. After a short complaint from DP, we are greeted to the ever-so-brief appearance of the more notable X-Men in Professor X (James McAvoy), Beast (Nicholas Hoult), Storm (Alexandra Shipp), Quicksilver (Evan Peters), and Cyclops (Tye Sheridan). There is also a mention of Angel but he isn’t seen, so whether or not he is present is unknown, especially as he is referred to as “Chicken Wings”.

Why is this notable? Let’s start with the most obvious. For one, Deadpool 2 is set in present day, whereas Dark Phoenix is set in the 90’s, yet all of these characters are the same age. One could argue the time jump from the 70’s setting in DOFP and the 80’s setting in Apocalypse made the same mistake, but those movies are set a decade apart versus 30 years. So how could we have five X-Men who look exactly the same in 1980 and in 2019?

All New X-Men is a comic series by Brian Michael Bendis which began printing in 2012. This storyline sees a bleak future which requires the team of the original five X-Men - Cyclops, Jean Grey, Angel, Beast, and Iceman - to travel from the past to the present. I think there is quite a bit of evidence that would have fans speculate a similar plot device for or after the end of X-Men Dark Phoenix. While this list doesn’t exactly mimic the list of X-Men who cameoed in Deadpool 2, it isn’t far off. Especially if you consider that Jean Grey (Sophie Turner) can always show back up at any time by use of the Phoenix Force, and the rumors that Mystique (Jennifer Lawrence) will die in X-Men: Dark Phoenix.

Apart from Magneto (Michael Fassbender), that would mean that all five of the biggest named actors playing X-Men would have been brought to the future to interact with their popular franchise in Deadpool, which would make perfect sense and seems like exactly something Fox would do to try and capitalize on the properties while they still can. Alternatively, while it may be a long shot, if Disney were to so keep any of the X-Men already cast, it would most definitely be these five, as they are all in the spotlight right now with their careers. And though it is a long shot, Alexandra Shipp seemed convinced on twitter months ago that she wasn’t being re-cast. Whether or not Angel would be included is up in the air, as he wasn’t physically featured in his cameo.

Now, some of you may be thinking, “Why would they spoil a movie that doesn’t even come out until next year? That seems stupid!” That’s a fair thought, until you consider that X-Men: Dark Phoenix was originally supposed to be released in November of this year and was pushed back almost four months, and the cameo scene for Deadpool 2 was also shot on the set of Dark Phoenix. If it was shot on the set of the movie, you would think they would have been able to fit a lot more people in there, especially as seeing two versions of Colossus would have allowed Deadpool to break the fourth wall and poke fun of the confusion (which would go a long way to helping people understand why Daniel Cudmore is back when Dark Phoenix comes out). On top of that, all of the characters who are rumored to die or not appear in Dark Phoenix are also absent from the cameo.

Lastly, l think it's way too close to simply be a coincidence. Personally, I think Evan Peters plays a fun Quicksilver that feels a lot like Iceman. James McAvoy is a great Professor X which would be the telepath equivalent to Jean Grey. Alexandra Shipp’s Storm can fly in place of Angel, and Tye Sheridan and Nicholas Hoult are fantastic, well known actors to reprise Cyclops and Beast. The other two members to join in the comics were X-23 and Kitty Pryde. Laura Kinney delivered an outstanding breakout performance during last year's Logan and would be a welcome addition, while those rumors of a solo Kitty Pryde film could now all make a lot more sense. All of these things line up and seem to imitate if not mirror the comics, so I would be blown away if at least some version of this doesn't play out next February when X-Men: Dark Phoenix hits thaters.

But what do YOU think?! Too crazy of a theory or just crazy enough? Let me know your thoughts in the comments!
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ThePott
ThePott - 6/5/2018, 6:55 AM
I'm gonna call you Reed Richards...

cause that is a stretch!
RegularPoochie
RegularPoochie - 6/5/2018, 7:02 AM
@ThePott -
LiteraryJoe
LiteraryJoe - 6/5/2018, 7:07 AM
@ThePott - I spent so long trying to find a good Mister Fantastic Gif for naught.

Haha, I definitely think that the lineup of time displaced X Men is too close to be a stretch, but there's really no telling what Fox has in mind. With Simon Kinberg sinking, ER, running the franchise, who knows what's to come?
LiteraryJoe
LiteraryJoe - 6/5/2018, 7:17 AM
@ThePott - The first article I ever wrote was in 2014 on my old account. I had theorized Thor to join the Guardians. I was similarly laughed at then. Did you catch Infinity War?
ThePott
ThePott - 6/5/2018, 7:52 AM
@LiteraryJoe - Getting one theory right doesn't necessarily mean this one will be. I haven't read that article but to be fair there was always a good chance these characters would crossover and as far as cosmic characters go Thor is the one that makes the most sense to join the Guardians. There's no need to be passive aggressive.

Whether you agree or not there is a lot of things in this theory that don't add up and you even address a few of them, I think there's very little to support this theory if anything at all, I applaud the creativity but seriously doubt the possibility that it can be in anyway accurate.
LiteraryJoe
LiteraryJoe - 6/5/2018, 7:57 AM
@ThePott - Rereading my last comment, I see how it came off that way. I really wasn't offended by your comment, I just was pointing to the fact that I've been right on a limb before.

And again, it's just a theory. You're correct and it definitely could not happen but you can't argue that the young X Men being out of time is a storyline from the comics.
ThePott
ThePott - 6/5/2018, 8:11 AM
@LiteraryJoe - Fair enough.

I know it's a story from the comics, hell I've read it but just because you can make it fit doesn't mean it's accurate.

In fact it's arguable that one thing Fox has failed at is sticking to the comics. They've never really cared much about having consistent or coherent timelines either. So while you could take a cameo (which I doubt they put as much thought into it as you did, kudos) and extrapolate the reasons for their appearance and try justify certain things to yourself, the most likely answer is probably the simplest one.

It was just a cameo of the X-Men, they gave no real thought to timelines or ages or storyline (because they rarely have in previous films) and just filmed a cameo with a few of the actors. In fact the only real thing that I can remember that would indicate this was the '90's' X-Men is Quicksilver's Nirvana shirt, although it's not like people don't wear that shirt nowdays anyway. The ageing has never been consistent in the Fox-Men world anyway, why start now for a movie where it matters even less considering it's a Deadpool movie.

Again, nice theory but I just don't find it believable


LiteraryJoe
LiteraryJoe - 6/5/2018, 8:16 AM
@ThePott - I think my thing is that I've waited so long for Fox to get this right that I cross my fingers every time there is a sign of something resembling the X Men from the comics. You're probably right in this being all that we'll see and that the idea hadn't even occured to them, but I can't shake the feeling that it's too coincidental. I guess all I can hope for at this point is that Fox reads my post and orders re-shoots haha!
LiteraryJoe
LiteraryJoe - 6/5/2018, 8:17 AM
@ThePott

@Poochie - Also, thanks for reading and interacting!
LiteraryJoe
LiteraryJoe - 6/5/2018, 8:31 AM
@ThePott Honestly, I forgot about the Nirvana shirt. I would evidence that toy claim, but if the scene was shot on the set of XMDP, then Evan Peters would have been in his 90s garb anyhow. You could even go so far as to use that to discredit my theory, but then it would be in turn argued that he would still have the same taste, so that sort of goes back and forth there. Very nice detail to catch though. Good looks!
L0RDbuckethead
L0RDbuckethead - 6/5/2018, 7:50 AM


Nahh
LiteraryJoe
LiteraryJoe - 6/5/2018, 7:58 AM
@L0RDbuckethead - The supreme straw gif hahaha
StormXmen123
StormXmen123 - 6/5/2018, 8:10 AM
The cameo I believe is purely just a 4th wall break.

Deadpool set up with a joke about the studios and it cuts to them.

I don't think it can be taken as strict canon/continuity.

And I veiw that with all Deadpools interacts. If he ALONE refrences/in pteracts with someone then I think continuity/timelines/universes can be left ambiguous.

However if say Colousus (a character that Idens tk wither are in a film) went over and acknowledged/interacted with Macavoy Prof X, then that would ground that version in that universe/timeperiod.

LiteraryJoe
LiteraryJoe - 6/5/2018, 8:22 AM
@StormXmen123 - I've actually seen you say this in the comments before and I agree with you about the grounding. But I also think that could be the trick of it. If everyone thinks it's just a gag, no one will expect it to be true, y'know?
StormXmen123
StormXmen123 - 6/5/2018, 8:51 AM
@LiteraryJoe - we know it was quickly shot on the Dark Pheonix set.

I do believe Mystqiue is going to be killed in Dark Phoenix, and Jean fate is questionable.

So yes perhaps they intentionally left them out or simply both actress weren't in set that day for the cameo.

However, I don't think it is a time travel story.

If we agree that they are grounded. I think that will just be Macvoys Prof X and Ty Sheridans cyclops 2016.
LiteraryJoe
LiteraryJoe - 6/5/2018, 8:57 AM
@StormXmen123 - Sorry, I didn't follow the last bit there about 2016? I also don't think that Dark Phoenix will be a time travel story and it is possible that I didn't express that well enough in my article. I moreso meant that I thought that at the end of Dark Phoenix they will be brought to the future in some way.
LiteraryJoe
LiteraryJoe - 6/5/2018, 8:58 AM
@StormXmen123 - There is also the question of where Nightcrawler is.
StormXmen123
StormXmen123 - 6/5/2018, 9:40 AM
@LiteraryJoe - nightcrawler was next to storm in the cameo.
LiteraryJoe
LiteraryJoe - 6/5/2018, 10:01 AM
@StormXmen123 - Thanks for that, I didn't realize that bit!
MNLawyer
MNLawyer - 6/5/2018, 8:11 AM
This is almost as bad as an article written by Josh Wilding.

That said, its well thought out and coherent even if its not plausible.
urnotaslave23
urnotaslave23 - 6/5/2018, 8:19 AM
@MNLawyer - Oh shit! I thought this WAS a Wilding article, until I read your comment. Lol
LiteraryJoe
LiteraryJoe - 6/5/2018, 8:19 AM
@MNLawyer - That cuts me pretty deep but thanks for the honest feedback! I thought it was a theory worth sharing, myself.
LiteraryJoe
LiteraryJoe - 6/5/2018, 8:25 AM
@urnotaslave23 - That's harsh. This isn't old news without a source, man, it's a theory that I put thought and research into. And keep in mind, I don't get paid for clicks. But thanks for reading and letting me know your thoughts. I'll try to take a different approach in the future to make my articles stand out from JW.
aflynn
aflynn - 6/5/2018, 9:27 AM
I am filing this along into crazy enough to work, kudos.
LiteraryJoe
LiteraryJoe - 6/5/2018, 10:04 AM
@aflynn - thanks brother!
NegativeNerd
NegativeNerd - 6/5/2018, 11:43 AM
Yeah, I wouldn’t give FOX that much credit...
LiteraryJoe
LiteraryJoe - 6/5/2018, 6:57 PM
@NegativeNerd - I like to imagine the CEOs of FOX reading comments like these with one single tear on their cheeks lmao
NegativeNerd
NegativeNerd - 6/5/2018, 7:26 PM
@LiteraryJoe - Lmao! I could see it now.
LiteraryJoe
LiteraryJoe - 6/5/2018, 8:10 PM
@NegativeNerd - I mean they're only on their eleventeenth chance to get things right lol.
Ryguy88
Ryguy88 - 6/5/2018, 2:19 PM
If Fox is going to keep making Xmen movies post-Dark Phoenix I think their best bet is to introduce an already active, adult Xmen team as a brief cameo in a Deadpool movie and go from there. No need to explain, just go with it.
LiteraryJoe
LiteraryJoe - 6/5/2018, 6:58 PM
@Ryguy88 - What direction would you take in the MCU? Same thing?
Ryguy88
Ryguy88 - 6/6/2018, 4:54 PM
@LiteraryJoe - if they went to the MCU I think I would like to see them start from scratch with the original roster. Id like to see a 3 way conflict between the Xmen, Magneto's Brotherhood and the Sentinels. Save Wolverine for the sequel. They would likely have to change Magneto's origin though because any kid growing up during World War 2 would be in his 80's now. Its a shame because its one of the best origins but I cant think of another way beyond giving him anti-aging powers.

What are your ideas?
LiteraryJoe
LiteraryJoe - 6/6/2018, 8:17 PM
@Ryguy88 - I definitely think we need to see the brotherhood. Also put the spotlight on characters like Gambit, Kitty Pryde, Morph, Forge, Psylocke or even a real Emma Frost. I think that I agree 100 percent about Magneto's origin and it's something I've put a lot of thought into. It makes you wonder if they would twist his origin to make him African American or something of the sort. I think I'd also love to see the team grow before Wolverine comes into play again.
LiteraryJoe
LiteraryJoe - 6/6/2018, 8:18 PM
@LiteraryJoe - I also have a feeling that the MCU might just give us mutants before giving us the team. We might see origin stories or solo stories for some people outside of the mansion.
Omegacron
Omegacron - 6/6/2018, 9:41 AM
That's reading an awful lot into just plain ol' POOR planning by Fox.
LiteraryJoe
LiteraryJoe - 6/6/2018, 8:19 PM
@Omegacron - I'm just hoping Fox still gets all their ideas from the internet.
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