Champions Battle Poll (Week 8: Round 4)

Today's battles are:
Jack Russell vs Morbius...
Batman vs Sabretooth...
Martian Manhunter vs Beta Ray Bill...

Feature Opinion
By GuardianDevil - Apr 18, 2013 02:04 PM EST
Filed Under: Fan Fic
Source: Fenix122

Previous battles:

Punisher beat Ozymandias.
Batman beat Iron Fist.
Juggernaut beat Solomon Grundy.



As always be objective when voting, and use most iconic version unless otherwise stated.



Morbius vs Jack Russell










Sabretooth vs Batman









Beta Ray Bill vs Martian Manhunter











Team Battle: Watchmen vs DC street levelers

This is the first team battle, this will be 5 on 5, Watchmen have Ozymandias, Comedian, Rorschach, Silk Spectre and Nite Owl. DC street levelers have Batman, Green Arrow, Question, Huntress and Robin(Damian Wayne). Both Batman and Ozymandias have 2 days of prep time to strategize for the other team, and all characters are in their most iconic versions.







Thanks for voting, please leave your opinion in the comments and feel free to explain your decisions.
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relentless1
relentless1 - 4/18/2013, 3:11 PM
Morbius
Batman
Martian Manhunter
Team DC
JuggyPunch
JuggyPunch - 4/18/2013, 4:15 PM
virle man, Logan would take Bats cuz of those claws he's got. But I'd say Bats is slightly better martially. Bats is betta than Creed martially too, although Creed is no slouch and would hold his own.
LoudLon
LoudLon - 4/18/2013, 5:19 PM
Morbius vs Jack Russell (aka Werewolf by Night): This has happened at least once in the comics; Russell was getting the best of Morbius until the Man-Thing came shambling along and distracted them both. Russell's stronger, his claws and fangs are more deadly, and the fact that he retains his human intelligence in wolf form makes him even more of a threat. Morbius, on the other hand, isn't a real vampire; he doesn't have the full range of powers a traditional vampire does, and while he does have immunity to many traditional vampire weaknesses, he can still be killed if he takes enough damage. Russell, on the other hand, has an accelerated healing factor and can shrug off pretty much anything Morbius can throw at him. Simply put, the instant Morbius gets within arm's reach -- and he'd have to in order to fight -- he's toast.

Sabretooth vs Batman -- Sabretooth has kicked Wolverine's ass and has held his own against Spider-Man. Batman's out of his league on this one.

Martian Manhunter vs Beta Ray Bill -- no way should MM have lost to Thor. That's just inconceivable to me. BRB would stand a much better chance than Thor himself would (he'd already beat Thor BEFORE being given Thor-like powers, so he's like Thor-Plus) but what this fight comes down to is MM's telepathic powers and his ability to become intangible. Can't hurt what you can't hit, and it's hard to focus when a telepath is scrambling your brain.

Team Watchmen vs Team DC -- If Doc Manhattan were in on this fight, it wouldn't even be a contest. But without him, this is a Team DC win all the way. Ozy would last the longest but he'd be surrounded by characters who pack a multitude of weaponry, while he himself is completely unarmed. It's almost embarrassing how badly the Watchmen get their butts kicked here.
GuardianDevil
GuardianDevil - 4/18/2013, 5:25 PM
@VIRLEMAN
There are some areas that Sabretooth is better than Batman in (Strength, Agility, Healing Factor) yet there are other areas where Bats outclasses Sabretooth (Tactical knowIhow, fighting skills, weaponry) and there also the fact that Bats has taken on guys with a similar strength level, now if Sabretooth was like Spider Man level strength then yeah Bats can't handle that. But iconically Victor was around the 2-ton range, which I'd say Is the same as Bane was when he was on Venom. Bats beat Bane in hand to hand combat even when he was this strong, I think it'd be too much for him to handle if he was like 8-10 tons, but 2 tons? Really? He's fought 2-tonners before and managed to pull the win. A 2 tonner wouldn't be too much for him to handle, it'd be tough but he could do it.

Like I've said before, even though I think Bats is overrated generally I think he can take guys in the low to medium power range.
LoudLon
LoudLon - 4/18/2013, 5:32 PM
Fenix -- sorry to keep arguing with you bro (I am, seriously) but iconic Sabretooth wasn't super-strong. He had the ol' "strength of a man of his age, height and weight who engages in intensive regular exercise" thing going on. And being that's he's over six and a half feet tall and something like 300 lbs, that does make him hella strong, but not super-strong. And the same goes for Wolverine, who never used to be super-strong but is now. He, too, had the "intensive regular exercise" thing going on.

Just sayin'.
GuardianDevil
GuardianDevil - 4/18/2013, 5:40 PM
@LoudLon
Are you sure? As far back as I can remember he's been a 2-tonner. I wasn't alive in the 60's/70's but after that I always remember him having around Blade level strength.
LoudLon
LoudLon - 4/18/2013, 5:44 PM
You're going to make me break out the OHOTMU again, aren't you? LOL

Sabretooth:

6'6"
275 lbs
Strength level: "Sabretooth possesses the normal human strength of a man of his physical age, height and build who engages in intensive regular exercise."

This does still make him physically stronger than the smaller, shorter Bats, though perhaps not by much.
GuardianDevil
GuardianDevil - 4/18/2013, 5:45 PM
So Back in the day was Creed stronger than Bats? Because if what you say is true that Creed could only lift 300 lbs then Batman (can lift a little over half a ton, 1100 lbs) then he stomps Creed into the ground.
GuardianDevil
GuardianDevil - 4/18/2013, 5:46 PM
When was that OHOTMU written? I know there's been more than one.
LoudLon
LoudLon - 4/18/2013, 5:46 PM
^^^ And that was in '86, when that issue of the OHOTMU was released. And I know he was still human-level into the late 1990s (not sure when he became super-strong; I'd grown tired of the X-Men by then and stopped reading them regularly).
LoudLon
LoudLon - 4/18/2013, 5:48 PM
Regarding Batman's strength...if you want to look at it realistically, it's impossible for a man of Batman's size to be that strong unless he's flooded with adrenalin. Realistically, Batman is much more likely in the 500-600 lbs range. But I'm not going to go any further into that particular area of discussion because the Bat-fans will have my balls on a platter LOL
LoudLon
LoudLon - 4/18/2013, 5:48 PM
No, wasn't saying Creed could lift three hundred lbs, I said he weighed 300 lbs (actually 275, as noted in the stats I provided after looking them up).
GuardianDevil
GuardianDevil - 4/18/2013, 5:51 PM
^^ okay, I get it. The way you said it sounded like you meant he could only lift 300 lbs. I just misunderstood.
LoudLon
LoudLon - 4/18/2013, 5:54 PM
Eh, it's all good. I would have gone back and clarified sooner if the powers that be hadn't taken away our ability to edit posts lol
unknownfacts
unknownfacts - 4/18/2013, 5:55 PM
Jack Russell vs Morbius

Jack wins he's slightly stronger then Morbius.

Batman vs Sabertooth

A flash bang for each ear and tear gas for his nose and Creed's can be taken down.While the normal effects of these weapons won't hurt but for a second.Creed's enhance hearing and sense of smell will enhance the smell and sound to near fatal levels.Giving Bats the opening for a win.

Martian Manhunter vs Beta Ray Bill

This could go either way but J'on's phasing gives him the edge he needs to win.It hard to win if you can't hit your target.

Watchmen vs Team DC

Team DC all the way.The Watchmen are outmatched here. Team DC have more gadgets on their side plus the better fighters.
LoudLon
LoudLon - 4/18/2013, 6:00 PM
Fenix -- I don't know if you're aware of it, but DC had a series back in the mid-80s called DC's Who's Who? It was pretty much the same thing as Marvel's OHOTMU, but not as detailed in the extent of a character's abilities, and there was no mention at all of exact strength level (how many pounds or tons a character could lift). They kept it vague; such and such has "vast super-human strength" or such and such "is in excellent physical condition," that kind of thing.
GuardianDevil
GuardianDevil - 4/18/2013, 6:08 PM
@LoudLon
No, I didn't know about that. But nowdays, DC has an encyclopedia (not on the internet, it's an actual book you can buy) I've been going off of what's been stated on the comics, as well as that encyclopedia. That's why it's tougher for me to gauge DC's characters. Because they haven't had something like the OHOTMU up until recently, at least that's what I had thought before.
LoudLon
LoudLon - 4/18/2013, 6:12 PM
That's a good question, Virile. I'm not aware of any official source which states Creed has anything except human-level strength, though I'm sure if there is such a source, someone will chime in with it.
scootaloo
scootaloo - 4/18/2013, 6:26 PM
Bats and MM for a sweet DC roll.
GuardianDevil
GuardianDevil - 4/18/2013, 6:26 PM
Well, I would agree with Virile. But I don't think Internet wikis are all that trustworthy, a lot of the time their edited by over zealous fans. Like a month or two ago, I checked Thor's page. It said he's way stronger than Hulk. Then I checked Hulk's page, it said he's way stronger than Thor ;)
LoudLon
LoudLon - 4/18/2013, 6:36 PM
^^^ I was just about to say the same thing. But really it doesn't matter, because we go by iconic versions anway -- and iconic Sabretooth, as I quoted from the OHOTMU above -- is not super-strong.

So to gauge the winner the voter would have to use their own objective logic, ignore the Batman/1000 lb silliness and determine on their own if a 6'2, 225 lb man is stronger than a dude four inches taller and fiftier pounds heavier who works out every bit as much as Batman himself does.

Yeah, right. As if that's going to happen...
SpideyQuad
SpideyQuad - 4/18/2013, 7:05 PM
Jack Russell-too savage to be controlled or dealt with. Marvels True werewolf by night :-)

Batman-1st time I ever read about sabertooth iron fist took him out fairly easily(John Byrne)

Beta Ray Bill- more powerful than Thor with all the powers the all father ads makes Bill one dangerous opponent.

thunderforce
thunderforce - 4/19/2013, 1:43 PM
I don't get MM if he really is from Mars and came to earth he would be weak as hell , a 10 year old would beat the crap out of him . How the heck is he as strong as Superman?
GuardianDevil
GuardianDevil - 4/19/2013, 3:31 PM
^^ It's called Fantasy and Fiction. Have you heard of it? ;)
GuardianDevil
GuardianDevil - 4/19/2013, 3:46 PM
And by your logic, Thor doesn't exist, Bruce Banner is dead from radiation poisoning, Pete Parker is dead from radiation poisoning, Cap is wildly deformed because of the steroid serum and Batman knows 2 or 3 fighting styles.
GuardianDevil
GuardianDevil - 4/19/2013, 3:47 PM
*only*
LoudLon
LoudLon - 4/19/2013, 8:01 PM
"And by your logic, Thor doesn't exist" etc. This literally made me laugh out loud. It just doesn't get any more rational or concrete than that!
thunderforce
thunderforce - 4/20/2013, 6:27 AM
Yea that is funny but Thor does really have roots in our history for all we know he could have been real so could Hercules but if MM were to try to be real they better make him from a larger planet than Mars .
GuardianDevil
GuardianDevil - 4/20/2013, 9:04 AM
@LoudLon
Haha, glad someone laughed ;)

@Thunderforce
Yes, I do indeed believe that both Thor and Hercules were actually real people. But they weren't ultra powerful gods, I'd say they're just heroes or great leaders in the Norse and Greek times. They were great warriors and over time legends spread and they were made out to be powerful gods.

I think what you were trying to say is that in real life, someone from Mars would be really weak if they came to Earth. Which is true, but in real life Martians don't exist in the first place, and in real life characters like Bruce Banner, Spider-Man, The Mutants, Captain America, etc. would be dead or massively deformed due to radiation and mutation. And in real life Thor or Hercules as we know them wouldn't exist either. That's what I was getting at.
GuardianDevil
GuardianDevil - 4/20/2013, 9:07 AM
Or Punisher would've been caught by the police years ago. For vigilantes to avoid getting caught they need one or two things, sometimes both. Super powers, and secret identity. Punisher has neither, in real life he would've been caught years ago.

So, I could say Punisher can never win a fight because in real life he'd be in prison.
thunderforce
thunderforce - 4/20/2013, 2:38 PM
I agree and Batman would be dead after about 1 year .
GuardianDevil
GuardianDevil - 4/20/2013, 9:04 PM
^^ Lol, agreed. But I think he'd outlast Punisher because Batman keeps his identity secret while Frank is generally public about who he is.
jojofmd
jojofmd - 4/21/2013, 5:43 PM
So I don't get how many people are jobbing on the watchmen team. The DC team that Fenix assembled isn't really that powerful.

As it breaks down
Ozy and Batman are pretty much even.
Comedian vs Ollie is tough but Comedian is probably packing a grenade launcher and has no problem killing.
Huntress could take Silk Spectre.
Rorschach is nuckin futs and would pull a win outta nowhere vs the Question.

Damien is a great fighter but Nite owl is the watchmen's version of Blue Beetle. He's a great fighter and loaded to the hilt in gadgets. So He'd probably take Robin.

So I honestly think, the watchmen could take this. Plus they fought alongside each other for a long time so they'd work well together.
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