Quit whining! Marvel is just as overpowered as DC.

People like to complain that DC is overpowered, but if you took a closer look you'd see that Marvel characters are just as overpowered, and it's quite hypocritical to use the arguments "overpowered" and "not relatable" as reasons to hate DC comics. I discuss the reasons why the argument that DC is overpowered is invalid and a non-valid excuse to support a cause. Hit the hump to hear more!

Editorial Opinion
By GuardianDevil - Apr 07, 2013 04:04 PM EST
Filed Under: Fan Fic
Source: Fenix122

Hello friends, I'm sure all of us on this website have heard the lame argument from Marvel fanboys as to why they think Marvel is better. I'm sure you've heard the saying that DC is too overpowered, which makes it rather uninteresting. Now, I'm not siding with either one Marvel or DC, but I must say the whole "overpowered" thing is absolutely garbage...Take a look at Thor for instance, he's basically a watered down Superman plus a ton of magic powers. If we were to actually take a good long look at his powers, you'd have to agree he's just as "overpowered" as Superman. Thor might not be as powerful as Superman (In my opinion, Superman is the stronger of the two) but the point still stands, if you hate Superman because of being overpowered therefore you've got to hate Thor too. Otherwise you're just being a hypocrite...



With all that said, I think a lot of it comes down to the fact that people look for any way to bash the other company. DC fanboys are always looking for new ways to bash Marvel, so it really does make sense that Marvel fanboys look for any way to bash the DC characters. Even though the argument makes no sense. The purpose of this article is to shed light on the fact that this argument that Marvel isn't as overpowered therefore it is better is garbage. In fact it gives us Marvel fans (I prefer Marvel, I love DC especially Superman but not as much) a very bad name.

Another thing is, people always like to whine about Superman being overpowered But there are at least 4 Superman clones in Marvel, all of which are fairly close to his level and there is one that might even surpass him. The characters I am referring to are Gladiator, Hyperion, Sentry and Blue Marvel. In my personal opinion Hyperion, Gladiator and Blue Marvel are simply weaker versions of Superman. While Sentry is at minimum Superman's equal, but might even be more powerful.


Also, I think many people have the image of Pre-Crisis Superman. Which is, quite frankly ridiculously overpowered. But, that's no reason to hate him. I suppose by that logic, you hate Thor too because he was once Rune King Thor who is also ridiculously overpowered. Or Hulk because he was once Worldbreaker who's also too overpowered. Throughout this article, I'm referring to the more traditional, iconic version of Superman who isn't anywhere near as crazy powerful as Pre-Crisis Superman.


But, Superman isn't necessarily the most powerful of DC's heroes. In my opinion Martian Manhunter is his superior, J'onn is his equal in terms of strength. He's got the same powers, and plus a few extra. Martian Manhunter is more powerful than Superman (whew, I said it). You could argue that Martian Manhunter is too powerful and therefore he is lame, and therefore everything DC sucks. (that's what most of these arguments sound like to be honest) Which brings me to another cosmic powerhouse.



Silver Surfer, wielder of the Power Cosmic, Herald of Galactus. Silver Surfer seems to be the most powerful Marvel superhero out there. He can boost his strength infinitely, creat black holes, use cosmic energy. Don't even get me started with this guy, he's soooo overpowered I can't even begin to express how hypocritical it would be for someone to whine about Martian Manhunter or Superman is dumb for being overpowered. This guy has a wider range of abilities and more powerful abilities than all of them.


Now, moving on my next point. You see along with the "overpowered" argument, comes the "not relatable" argument. The argument is that DC characters are too powerful, and not relatable. Which I think is totally crap, I understand how someone can relate to a character like Spidey because he goes through everyday problems. Or Captain America, because he's a little guy who wanted to do more. Or Iron Man because...well because he's a jerk. But the thing is I think different characters are relatable to different people...people who feel small and wish they could do more can relate to Captain America. People who are reckless, and act immaturely could relate to Iron Man or Flash. I guess someone who likes working out and body building could relate to Batman, etc. DC characters are just as relatable, it's just that different people relate to different things.


Before I close, I think the argument that DC is overpowered therefore it is lame is an invalid one. Because there are 3 Superman clones in Marvel, who are actually pretty close to Superman although slightly inferior. And one (Sentry), who is more or less his equal. Not to mention Thor, Dr. Strange (beat Galactus) don't even begin with Silver Surfer. Oh yeah, a guy with seemingly unlimited strength. How is that not overpowered?

All I'm saying is, there are just as many overpowered Marvel characters. They're just harder to find, and this whole argument that DC sucks because it's too overpowered is invalid. I might sound like a DC fanboy, but I'm really not. At the end of the day if I was forced to choose one or the other I'd have to go with Marvel. My favorites from each universe are Superman/Clark Kent and Hulk/Bruce Banner. Because they're both just as smart as they are strong. Regardless of my personal preference, my reason for writing this article is that the argument that is most commonly used is totally hypocritical and makes us Marvel fans look bad.


Well, that's all. If you enjoyed my article feel free to give it the thumbs up and express your opinion on the matter and please be civil. I will delete any offensive or trollish comments.
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Tainted87
Tainted87 - 4/7/2013, 4:44 PM
Who is actually complaining?
tonytony
tonytony - 4/7/2013, 4:48 PM
Great article. Agree 100%
RextheKing
RextheKing - 4/7/2013, 5:33 PM
I think people see DC as overpowered because they have more mainstream God-like superheroes, such as Superman, Wonder Woman, Flash, Aquaman, etc. The only real mainstream God-like superheroes in Marvel is Hulk, Thor, and Wolverine. To be honest, if it weren't for Marvel latest films, You could remove Thor, and maybe even Hulk, because most of their mainstream popularity has come from their recent films, while it's not the same case for Sups, WW, Flash, and Aquaman.
You are still correct, Marvel have their share of overpowered superheroes and villains as well, and people seem to ignore that.
TheManFromMars
TheManFromMars - 4/7/2013, 5:56 PM
(There's an "N" missing on the title, just a heads up)

I hope I don't start a flame war, but the reason why I prefer Marvel over DC isn't because I think Marvel characters are "more relatable" or DC characters are "overpowered", is that, ever since the Silver Age, Marvel made us care about the person under the mask.

I cared about Peter Parker.

I cared about Tony Stark.

Hell, I even cared about Don Blake.

During that time at DC the heroes Alter-egos were just there, they didn't really have much importance to the plot other than the old "I can't reveal my secret identity to my loved one" and sometimes, not even that!

I didn't care about Bruce Wayne, only Batman

I didn't care about Clark Kent, only Superman

I didn't care about Diana Prince, only Wonder Woman

Of course, now DC does take its time to flesh out more the civillian identity of their characters, and I give them props for that.

But the thing is, for a long time, DC seemed to be all about the "Super" while Marvel was about the "Man".

And that's why I think some people have the delusion that DC is more overpowered: Because they focused on power more often than Marvel.

Just my theory.
fortycals
fortycals - 4/7/2013, 6:17 PM
They even say dc characters tend to be more powerful than marvel, in the Avengers/JLA crossover. Both companies do have their share of overpowered characters, but dc characters all tend to have multiple powers. Take flash and quicksilver for example. Quicksilver just runs fast, Flash is like a speedforce god.

Alot of the characters you named are sometime villians and have to be strong enough to handle whole teams by themselves, and sometimes groups of teams. In marvel its the villians that tend to be overpowered. Doom, Mags, Apoc, Korvac, Ultron, and Kang are some of the most powerful people in the MU. Normally if a villian turns over a new leaf, they also take a power hit to. Mags as a hero was never as powerful as he was as a villian. Scarlet witch was the most powerful when she was the bad guy. Hell even the always overpowered hulk was at his most powerful when he was the bad guy. Juggs to a power hit when he went good. I would say the power levels in the MU are heavily leaning to the villians.

You also say yourself that of the four superman clones only one is on his level. Sure they are still overpowered, but supes still dogs most of them. Even the guy with no powers(batman) is overpowered, enough that fans think he can beat anyone with prep. Dc fans are funny, because whenever there is a debate of a cross company battle, they embrace the overpoweredness. Then turn around now and say that DC characters are not that overpowered. Cant have it both ways. Marvel fans are funny because they play the exact opposit game.
fortycals
fortycals - 4/7/2013, 6:31 PM
And dont take it the wrong way I dont hate DC because they are overpowered. I dont hate DC at all.
fortycals
fortycals - 4/7/2013, 7:30 PM
@ firg
Got a point. Though if you look at the DC heroes rouges, just maybe one out of ten are as powerful as their hero counter part. Supes has Lex, batman the joker. Sure they have their doomsday,and bane, but for everyone of them there are 12 metallos and penguins. They do have their over powered universal threats, but their rouges normally are not on the same level as their heroes. Now I'm generalizing, which I hate to do. I am probably exaggerating, and I hate that too. Its just the way I feel.
pesmerga44
pesmerga44 - 4/7/2013, 7:32 PM
Ya I will agree that Martian Manhunter is more powerful then current Superman he just has a much more easily obtained weakness in fire. I mean the man has the mental powers of Prof. X, the shape shifting powers of Mystique, the mass control powers of Vision, and strength comparable to Superman man is he overpowered. My only complaint to using Silver Surfer as a comparison to Superman in terms of comparing over powered superheroes is that Silver Surfer hasn't been an Earth bound superhero for a while and when he was he had most of his power stricken from him by Galactus. He is at his most powerful when he is a herald of Galactus bound to his service. Most of the Marvel superman clones are either dead or have been villains multiple times in their history. I really have no issue with DC heroes they are all great characters I personally still find the Marvel characters more compelling.
Minato
Minato - 4/7/2013, 9:00 PM









GuardianDevil
GuardianDevil - 4/7/2013, 9:22 PM
@Tainted87
I wasn't talking about anyone in particular, but you can't tell me you haven't heard this argument many times before.

@Levitikuz & RextheKing
I'd agree with you guys, but Wolverine? He's a street leveler. He can't die, but aside from that he's really not that overpowered.

@tonytony
Thanks :)

@fangz
But you see it is hypocritical, to whine that Superman is overpowered. Then turn around and love Thor when he's JUST as overpowered as Supes...that's all I'm saying.

@worldbreaker
I'm actually gonna bring those back tommorrow. I was just taking a break for a few days to focus on other stuff. They'll be up soon.
CPBuff22
CPBuff22 - 4/8/2013, 2:32 AM
The key here are how power are the A listers of today?. Marvel has Spider-Man, Iron Man, & Wolverine. DC has Batman, Superman, & you could argue Green Lantern.

As far as power level in the eyes of general non comic fans DC is way over powered.

Lets compare Avengers to JLA. We will go with the likely movie universe versions. Avengers; Iron Man, Captain America, Thor, Hulk, Hawkeye, Black Widow. JLA; Superman, Batman, Green Lantern, Flash, Martian Manhunter, Green Arrow.

Hulk has the strength but his sometimes lack of control is a huge problem. Thor has powers of a God general audiences already seen him loose them as well as be constantly fooled by Loki. Iron Man not only has to worry about broken tech but about his ego & personal demons. Captain America is human perfection and doesn't have powers nor does Hawkeye & Black Widow.

Now Superman to this point audiences have been taught can only be hurt by kryptonite and has a plethora of super powers. Green Lantern has an energy power ring that can create anything and his only weakness is fear & yellow. Flash is super fast, so much so that he can vibrate through things. Martian Manhunter can shapeshift, phase through things, & read minds. Green Arrow is much like Hawkeye for Marvel as he has no real power. Batman of course has no powers and much like Iron Man relies on technology, but he is far more focused and has been trained to fight crime.

So with those lineups you expect the average fan not to look at it as DChas overpowered heroes?

I personally feel the response of DC has over powered heroes and thus less relatable is a cop out. The reason Marvel characters are more relatable is because for a long time they have been better written. They have character flaws to overcome and thus their outrageous powers don't mean as much because their human flaws can be what cost them.
Happy11
Happy11 - 4/8/2013, 4:10 AM
What do you mean who's complaining 'every marvel fanboy thats who'
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 4/8/2013, 5:10 AM
Levi, Magneto is hardly powerless in a room of plastic. You're talking about a character that can stop the flow of iron in someone's blood and instantly kill them.
MoonDoggyX
MoonDoggyX - 4/8/2013, 5:26 AM
I haven't read this article yet, but i will and i'm sure i'll have another comment. Lol. I love both companies and have definitely heard this argument before. DC is not overpowered at all. Superman is not too powerful to be interesting! Superman is, however, way too powereful for the vast majority of his rogue gallery. Especially overpowered for lex luthor to be his arch nemesis. Batman and spiderman aren't more interesting because thay are weaker, they're villains are just the best match for them. Marvel on the otherhand, suffers from "they're powerful, now they're not... We need sales so thay're powerful again!" Both annoying.
HulkinOut
HulkinOut - 4/8/2013, 7:02 AM
Its really the only arguement marvilites can come up with.
my issue are with people who feel a character isn't worth a damn because they aren't relatable. Just cause you cant relate to someone doesn't mean they still aren't entertaining. Being relateable is just a bonus.

Say this character sucks because they arent relateable is basically saying. "make this character centered around me me me."
sikwon
sikwon - 4/8/2013, 9:26 AM
Wolverine over powered? He kills ninjas but gets destroyed by everyone else. One of my biggest comic complaints is more often then not the living weapon gets his ass kicked.
TheExile117
TheExile117 - 4/8/2013, 9:57 AM
Too me, it's not so much about the powers as it is about "feats" performed by DC characters. MARVEL by all accounts may have more powerful characters than DC when you factor in characters like Thor, Surfer, Galactus, The Celestials, Odin, The Living Tribunal and other cosmic beings. The thing with DC is their characters just have absurd feats they've pulled off, especially the silver age characters......

MARVEL is def not w/o their own powerhouses, the difference is that MARVEL tries to keeps its powerhouses in check, while DC doesn't have a problem with Supes juggling planets or Batman being about to beat anyone with an hour of prep time. Too me it's laughable to make fun of DC because they have more "powerful" characters, when MARVEL has just as many if not more. It's about how these characters are written, and about how far each company will allow writers to go with these characters powers and abilities
pesmerga44
pesmerga44 - 4/8/2013, 10:28 AM
People keep saying yellow is a weakness of the Green Lanterns it hasn't been a weakness for years since Paralax was removed from the central battery.
EdgyOutsider
EdgyOutsider - 4/8/2013, 10:58 AM
I've personally never used the excuse that DC is over powered. I just never found them as interesting and I've never been into more of the god like characters of Superman, Wonder Woman and even Marvel characters such as Thor (although, due to more research, I regret never reading a Thor comic). I find characters as Spider-Man, Ghost Rider, Silver Surfer, Iron Man, Thanos, Hulk, Captain America, etc. to be more interesting and to be relatable (Thanos is excluded from being relatable and Ghost Rider is relatable, to an extent). I guess it also helps I was never really introduced to DC growing up and from watching movies and some of the shows, Batman and (again, due to research) now The Flash have been the characters in DC to seem to be the only ones interesting. That's always been how I am.

Being interesting and relatable are what I think most Marvel characters are and most DC characters aren't. Namor and Aquaman just suck lol
GuardianDevil
GuardianDevil - 4/8/2013, 11:10 AM
@Lizard1
Silver Surfer, Ghost Rider and Hulk aren't "gods" but they do have god-like abilities, they might be relatable but they are overpowered if you get what I mean.

Btw, you should read Watchmen. If you want more interesting DC characters, and Green Arrow too. Probably the original Green Lantern as well, in my opinion those are some of the more interesting ones.
tonytony
tonytony - 4/8/2013, 12:19 PM
@batmaniac lizard1 is a hating ass marvel fanboy what he says carries no mind.
EdgyOutsider
EdgyOutsider - 4/8/2013, 1:37 PM
@beto: I recognize them as bad movies but I enjoy them for what they are.
Here we go, @Fenix122: I get where you're coming from completely.
@batmaniac: I don't consider Thanos, Silver Surfer or Ghost Rider to be mainstream. Them appearing in movies hasn't really made them that to me. I've looked up info on the characters and I just haven't been able to find them interesting.
@tonytony: grow up.
tonytony
tonytony - 4/8/2013, 3:22 PM
@beto thats because they are made by marvel so they are all of a sudden good. Yet he spends his time dogging anything dc. Like most idiot marvel fanboys he hasnt actually read or seen any of the things he criticises.
EsoOne
EsoOne - 4/8/2013, 3:23 PM
What crisis are you talking pre Crisis On Infinite Earths?
pesmerga44
pesmerga44 - 4/8/2013, 3:36 PM
@EsoOne Yes this event created the more modern Superman where his powers were defined and generally they toned down his powers. Silver Age Superman is the one who can rotate the planet to turn back time, pull entire solar systems of planets, and other feats of strength and power that made him nigh all powerful.

While Crisis on Infinite Earth's was a great story I never liked that for a while it killed off all alternate dimensions in DC. I know it can get confusing having multiple dimensions but it allows for interesting pairings of characters or to take a character a new way without retconning them or ruining their mainstream character. Exiles was a great book about a team of heroes from different universes being sent to universes to fix problems in those universes taking some inspiration from Doctor Who.
EdgyOutsider
EdgyOutsider - 4/8/2013, 3:48 PM
@tonytony: you need to let shit go. I've never read a comic from them, I admit that. I've done research on the more obvious characters (justice league members, ect.) and I've seen the original Superman, Superman Returns, Watchmen, every Batman movie since the Tim Burton movie and I've seen some of their animated movies. Also, did you not read what I said to beto? I enjoyed Spider-Man 3 and the Ghost Rider movies for what they were. Same with Fantastic Four. 2004's The Punisher with Thomas Jane was great, War Zone sucked. DareDevil sucked, Elektra sucked. DC has had some stinkers too. The ones I've seen are regrettably: Batman & Robin, Catwoman and Green Lantern. Batman Forever was okay at best.
EdgyOutsider
EdgyOutsider - 4/8/2013, 4:09 PM
@batmaniac: That article I posted was pretty bad lol but, what I meant was since I never have the money and go out and buy comic books, I have to rely on the Internet and look up the characters, their history, ect. That's what I meant by info.
MoonDoggyX
MoonDoggyX - 4/8/2013, 4:19 PM
Am I the only one that who doesn't see why one HAS to be better than the other??? Not trying to be the "voice of reason", but if anyone doesn't read Marvel or DC just because what company it is then you're seriously missing out on great stuff for no real reason at all! From Both Sides! They both have their pros and cons. I like tend to favor DC's heros more. I like comics, movies, etc simply for good old fashioned escapism.
Who hasn't ever wanted to be the strongest man(Superman) or woman(WonderWoman) or the fastest(Flash) or most bad-ass(Batman) person alive. If i could be a super hero, it'd definitely be one of them. They are so powerful, they're almost elemental. Super is the most powerful man, Wonder Woman is the female version. As someone already mentioned above, the Flash IS speed incarnate. That said, I can't help but to notice that I've read a lot more Marvel Comics. What can I say, I am a sucker for the X-Men. DC has no equilivent. Also, I have to say that if you take Batman out of the equation, Marvel has way better villains overall. DC Has a few diamonds in the rough, but still use a major overhaul in this department.
I enjoy DC's animated films and tv shows a lot more than Marvels. the X-Men cartoons are the only thing that come close to the level of excellence DC animation has achieved.
Movies, I have to say is tied. DC/WB has tha Batmans, Just as good Was IM1, Incredible Hulk. Avengers was just OK to me. The Team up was cool, but Loki was a horrible main villain.
GuardianDevil
GuardianDevil - 4/8/2013, 4:20 PM
@Lizard1
Dude, you can find digital comics on the web. Some are free, others are not. But you can find them...try the website comixology.com they've got a bunch of free ones you could download. You can't get whole series for free, but you can get individual comics.

anyways, if you wanna get into DC. I'd suggest the new 52 runs of Green Lantern and Aquaman, pretty much anything Batman. And the Watchmen graphic novel...give DC a chance man.
EdgyOutsider
EdgyOutsider - 4/8/2013, 4:43 PM
Fenix122: I'll read one book for each one. If I find one of them interesting, I'll read more and I'll put up an entire editorial on how I was completely wrong bout DC.
EdgyOutsider
EdgyOutsider - 4/9/2013, 4:28 AM
FIRG: Salinski and, I just posted a comment saying that I'm willing to make a deal. I'll read a couple (including Aquaman, ugh!) and if I like at least one of them and continue reading after that then I'll post an entire editorial about DC and how I was completely wrong.
NBAfanaddict
NBAfanaddict - 4/11/2013, 5:31 AM
Agree with ManOnMars. It's not really the overpowering that makes DC characters seem unrelateable. It's the fact that Marvel's characters seem to have real life issues happening with them: Peter Parker had girl trouble, Tony Stark had a drinking problem, Reed and Sue went through marital struggles, The young mutants in X-Men with through idenity crisis, and felt isolation and loneliness. Now i'm not as well read up on DC, but I've never known what personal issues happened to DC characters that could happen to most people. Most of them seem alien, and beyond human (sans Batman, Flash, and earth's Green Lantern). We still love them, it's just a bit easier to sympathize with Marvel.
TheSisko
TheSisko - 7/1/2013, 10:04 PM
DC is way overpowered. Even though Sentry was powerful on a Superman level, he went crazy and is nuttier then a jar of peanutbutter. Superman is straight up powerful but for Marvel that level of power comes with a price tag. Silver Surfer only shows up anymore in storylines were he is dealing with a threat on his level hense why he is not overpowered. Even Thor a demi-god in marvel has limits. Superman has no power limits within any sort of reason. Superman is the definitive marty-stu.
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