SCOURGE'S RULES

Sort of weird to use Seth Rogen as an example as a bad cast when you haven't even seen the movie yet. Maybe try Nicholas Cage as Ghost Rider...of course him casted as any character is a bad cast.

@Scourge: Well said.

I'll give you ONE WAY....

Don't buy tickets for any Marvel cbm's by FOX lol!

To agree with Stumblin NIC CAGE SHOULD NEVER BE IN A CBM, or any movie, ever again

NO way LEEE im a big Nic Cage hater. his burn scene was pathetic worst acting it took me right out. hes the worst part of every movie hes in i cannot be convinced

There were about 10 million things wrong with Kick-Ass, Nic Cage wasn't one of them.

You haven't seen The Green Hornet so you can't judge his performance and he doesn't look like the actor from the '60s TV show? God forbid! I'm glad Christian Bale bares such a heavy resemblance Adam West.

And about your no recycling villains point, if they work for a story, use them. If you can reuse main characters and supporting characters why is there a problem with the villain reappearing?

No battle here Ager. You dislike him and that is all there is to it. I would just hope that you realize that this is just a personal reaction and does not have anything to do with his actual talent.

The job of any Actor is to convince you they are the person they are playing. When that does not happen the reasons are usually hard to explain but the reaction is all that counts. To confuse that with an objective assessment of Cage's talent is a mistake.

Ager thank you! That burn scene was absolutely terrible! He sounded like he was laughing not burning to death. I'm glad I'm not the only one that cannot stand Cage...he cannot convince me of crap! Except that he's talentless...

Regardless of how much I hate him, I still give him a chance thinking that maybe he'll pull a number on me and actually blow me away. So far he's failed to that I have to believe really any roll he's been in in the past 15 years.

There is another small problem with the Rules as presented. They would tend to make movies that Comics Fans would love but not everybody else. Most people are not Fans and do not want what we want. Like it or not, changes and additions are always going to be necessary to make a successful CBM.

Scourge and I have had a lot of discussion about these rules long before he posted them here and a I would like to clarify a few things:
(Scourge, feel free to correct me if I miss-interpreted our conversations)


Rule #1- This also included movies such as Transformers or G.I.Joe that are claimed to be CBMs. Did they have a comic book series before the film? yes. But they were toy lines first. If Mattel optioned a film about Barbie would you claim that it was a CBM (even though there was a comic series that Marvel did)???? I doubt it.

Rule #2- This is within reason. I know alot of times casting directors/directors/producers keep looking for a blonde actress to play a blonde character and end up with horrid casting.
I know I fell into this trap a couple of times myself on some of my first films as a director.

Rule #4- I actually liked DaFoe in Spidey 1. I hated the VFX/Costume work.
I remember that part of this dealt also with issues with like Whiplash- where the character was a hodpodge of characters, so it was not really the villain we as CBFans knew.

The other issue that kind of fell under this rule was the multiple villain issue (ala Spidey 3 or Clooney/Kilmer Batmans). Personally, as story teller, I despised Spidey 3 because it felt like there were too many entrance/exits of characters (i.e enter frame right Gwen Stacy, "Hi I am Gwen. Bye!" exit frame left)


I will admit, depending the story line being used that there is need for it (i.e. Daredevil with Bullseye and Kingpin, or if Typhoid Mary was being used, Fisk would have to be in the background somewhere).

Rule #5- As a film producer I am sick of the same story lines being redone. Batman has a huge villain library. I see it as 1 part cashing in and 2 part lack of thought of putting the project together.

Rule #6- I disagree with ALL of the comments about this rule.
I am speaking strictly as a producer- It is not fair to mainstream society to see cyclops in superman. or Storm as Selina.
Great example of this causing a problem- recently I went home for a family reunion. My uncles, former CBF themselves- asked me my opinion about movies. One of them asked why Johnny Storm is Captain America. These are highly intelligent guys folks- both of them respective detectives.

I agree with this doubling up rule because in some cases (esp. with Chris Evans) when you have an actor playing Character A for a while (in this case Human Torch) and actor is playing Character B (in this case, Captain) and the characters are suppose to cross paths what the heck is going to happen?

Yes yes yes, I know its not the same Human Torch. But my mom doesn't know that.

Oh I need to clarify something about FF, Daredevil, X-men and Spiderman.

If you actually look for the information and watch the trades, Marvel did NOT sell the characters to Fox or Sony to use freely. That would have been the stupidest thing they could have done. They did an option agreement for the studios to use these character.
Also what Marvel did was give the rights to Sony and Fox to DISTRIBUTE the pictures. However, from what I can figure out, they have little creative control over these characters (in comparison to say Iron Man). Marvel can step in if the studios are doing something that could hurt the overall characters and create $$$ problems for them---say like if they decided to put Matt in a purple costume.
Think of an option agreement kinda like a lease. There are certain elements (i.e. distribution versus complete ownership of a character)that can be given over.

So lets just hope that some of these studios CANNOT adhere to the option agreement and not be able to get some of these characters rebooted. Then, by standard option agreements, they would either a) have to go back and redo the option agreement and pay a ton of money to marvel to keep it going and/or b)the rights to DISTRIBUTE the characters in motion picture/television format revert back to Marvel.

:)

uh, @Stumblin

1)There is the idea of The invaders being done in either the Cap films or in Avengers. As I said, its not the same Human Torch (we CBFs know this, but mainstream does not).

2) Your example is actually weak.
"...look at Ryan Renolds, James Marsden, Halle Berry, Rebecca Romijn, Jon Favreau, they all played multiple comic characters or at least different roles for different comic movies..."

a)Ryan Reynolds I MAY give you but we cannot argue about him being Deadpool and/or GL until after the film (just like many people commented about Rogen playing Hornet---cannot comment until we see more).
b)Frankly, one the reasons I hate Superman Returns (outside of shoddy VFX work and poor casting) was the fact that Marsden was in the film. He (sadly) is type casted as Cyclops. Even my CB friends saw it as a distraction.
c)Halle Berry- another type cast issue, but compounded by the fact the Cat film was so far away from the mythos that the mainstream knows (selina kyle, gotham, batman etc).
d) John Favreau- He has played secondary (Foggy Nelson) and (if i could create this word) third-ary characters (Happy). Couple this with the fact that both roles were years apart, and the poor reception of Daredevil to both CBM fans and mainstream.
e)Rebecca Romijn- Mystique (secondary character) and as Joan in Punisher (maybe third tier- but according to IMBD she wasn't even part of the first billed actors for credits). Again, 2nd/3rd tier characters like above. Even if you wanted to argue her role in "Hancock" (because she is secondary to Will Smith) I will disagree, because that film is not set up in the worlds that Warner,Marvel, Fox or Sony built.

And have you EVER had to explain stuff to non-comic book people? It takes more than a second. Trust me.
(BTW- please re-read my post,it wasn't my mom asking the question about Chris Evans, it was the former CB FANS THAT ARE POLICE DETECTIVES)

uh, @Stumblin

1)There is the idea of The invaders being done in either the Cap films or in Avengers. As I said, its not the same Human Torch (we CBFs know this, but mainstream does not).

2) Your example is actually weak.
"...look at Ryan Renolds, James Marsden, Halle Berry, Rebecca Romijn, Jon Favreau, they all played multiple comic characters or at least different roles for different comic movies..."

a)Ryan Reynolds I MAY give you but we cannot argue about him being Deadpool and/or GL until after the film (just like many people commented about Rogen playing Hornet---cannot comment until we see more).
b)Frankly, one the reasons I hate Superman Returns (outside of shoddy VFX work and poor casting) was the fact that Marsden was in the film. He (sadly) is type casted as Cyclops. Even my CB friends saw it as a distraction.
c)Halle Berry- another type cast issue, but compounded by the fact the Cat film was so far away from the mythos that the mainstream knows (selina kyle, gotham, batman etc).
d) John Favreau- He has played secondary (Foggy Nelson) and (if i could create this word) third-ary characters (Happy). Couple this with the fact that both roles were years apart, and the poor reception of Daredevil to both CBM fans and mainstream.
e)Rebecca Romijn- Mystique (secondary character) and as Joan in Punisher (maybe third tier- but according to IMBD she wasn't even part of the first billed actors for credits). Again, 2nd/3rd tier characters like above. Even if you wanted to argue her role in "Hancock" (because she is secondary to Will Smith) I will disagree, because that film is not set up in the worlds that Warner,Marvel, Fox or Sony built.

And have you EVER had to explain stuff to non-comic book people? It takes more than a second. Trust me.
(BTW- please re-read my post,it wasn't my mom asking the question about Chris Evans, it was the former CB FANS THAT ARE POLICE DETECTIVES)