THE FANTASTIC FOUR Director And Cast Reveal Some HUGE Changes To The Human Torch And Invisible Woman

THE FANTASTIC FOUR Director And Cast Reveal Some HUGE Changes To The Human Torch And Invisible Woman

The Fantastic Four: First Steps director Matt Shakman and stars Joseph Quinn and Vanessa Kirby have revealed new details about the reboot's 1960s setting and the chances made to Johnny and Sue Storm...

By JoshWilding - Apr 10, 2025 01:04 PM EST
Filed Under: Fantastic Four
Source: Entertainment Weekly

The Fantastic Four: First Steps will finally bring Marvel's First Family into the MCU. However, this version of the team won't call Earth-616 home; instead, Marvel Studios is taking full advantage of the Multiverse Saga's premise to tell their story in an alternate reality 1960s New York. 

The key difference between the two worlds? Well, this 1960s had genius inventor Reed Richards to make all those bold ideas people had during that period a reality. 

"We knew that we'd be on another Earth, so we had a chance to reinvent what the '60s looked like," director Matt Shakman tells Entertainment Weekly. "I was really interested in imagining the Fantastic Four being astronauts. Instead of Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin going to the moon, what if it was Reed, Sue, Johnny, and Ben who were really the first to go into outer space, the first to push those boundaries?"

Beyond the unique setting, it sounds like we're getting a much different take on each member of the Fantastic Four, including Johnny Storm. The world is a very different place now, and it seems there's no longer room for a reckless, womanizing Johnny. 

"He's a man that leads with a lot of bravado, which can be an affront sometimes. But also he's funny," Joseph Quinn says of the Human Torch. "Myself and [Marvel Studios boss] Kevin [Feige] were speaking about previous iterations of him and where we are culturally. He was branded as this womanizing, devil-may-care guy, but is that sexy these days? I don't think so."

"This version of Johnny is less callous with other people's feelings, and hopefully there's a self-awareness about what's driving that attention-seeking behavior." 

Shakman adds, "[Johnny] is really smart. He's on that spaceship for a reason, and I think sometimes people forget that in various comic stories, he's been one of the most heroic of them, even if he's undercutting his heroism at every turn through humor. He's Sue's brother, which means they are cut from similar cloth."

Sue Storm has also undergone some big changes during the transition from page to screen; this take on the Invisible Woman has "helped achieve global demilitarization and peace," with the filmmaker describing her as "the most emotionally intelligent person on the planet. Between [her and Reed], they're building an idealistic society."

Vanessa Kirby also talked more about playing a pregnant superhero and confirmed she's taken a deep dive into the comics by referencing Sue's darker alter-ego, Malice (a negative aspect of her personality brought to the surface by Psycho-Man after she suffered a miscarriage). 

"Matt and I were really aware that there hasn't really been a mother with a baby in these superhero archetypes women have been getting," Kirby explains. "One of the things I love most from Sue's history is when she becomes Malice, and all her dark stuff comes out. I was obsessed with that chapter of her life."

"So I wanted to make sure that there were tones of Malice in there with her, that she wasn't just the stereotype of a goody, sweet mother."

"I've always been really interested in the mess of femininity, and how can you be both? How can you be all the things? Not just the tough, invincible, powerful woman, but also a mother who gives birth, which is itself a superhero act," Kirby continues. "I love that these characters are real humans in a messy family who argue and try to work it out and get things wrong."

The Fantastic Four: First Steps is set to be released in theaters on July 25, 2025. Check out some new stills from the movie below.

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JacobsLadder
JacobsLadder - 4/10/2025, 1:22 PM
oh boy. here we go.
Clintthahamster
Clintthahamster - 4/10/2025, 2:50 PM
@JacobsLadder - Literally came here to say that, except I didn't say "boy."
JacobsLadder
JacobsLadder - 4/10/2025, 3:24 PM
@Clintthahamster - I get it. Some of us still use the word "Swell"
DocSpock
DocSpock - 4/10/2025, 1:22 PM

I just want Vanessa to come to my birthday party and everyone else stay home.

Yum.
AllsNotGood
AllsNotGood - 4/10/2025, 1:26 PM
I hate the word reimagining
Feralwookiee
Feralwookiee - 4/10/2025, 1:28 PM
@AllsNotGood - Same. That word could easily be replaced with "neutering".
ComicBandit
ComicBandit - 4/10/2025, 1:31 PM
@AllsNotGood -Its what Hollywood filmmakers say when they want to steal someone's idea because they lack an imagination of their own.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 4/10/2025, 2:48 PM
@Feralwookiee - Or "enrichening".
SpideyQuad
SpideyQuad - 4/10/2025, 2:54 PM
@AllsNotGood - really? Could you please share something you don't hate? Stop and think before you use that word it is very powerful
SpideyQuad
SpideyQuad - 4/10/2025, 2:56 PM
@Feralwookiee - Or in your case "spayed"
JacobsLadder
JacobsLadder - 4/10/2025, 3:24 PM
@AllsNotGood - it's never good.
JacobsLadder
JacobsLadder - 4/10/2025, 3:25 PM
@Feralwookiee - I was thinking bastardizing.
CBMSTAR
CBMSTAR - 4/10/2025, 4:55 PM
@AllsNotGood - I know some things change, and I am glad to get Galactus as he really should be depicted. I hope that Johnny shouts "FLAME ON"! I just wish the Thing's voice was deeper and more gravelly, but they are going for a different vibe, so we will see how it all plays out.
AllsNotGood
AllsNotGood - 4/11/2025, 3:34 AM
@CBMSTAR - they are literally nerfing his personality and what makes him unique
AllsNotGood
AllsNotGood - 4/11/2025, 3:34 AM
@JacobsLadder - I can't think of one example that was better after reimagining
AllsNotGood
AllsNotGood - 4/11/2025, 3:35 AM
@SpideyQuad - kebabs but I don't share my food sorry
SpideyQuad
SpideyQuad - 4/11/2025, 4:37 PM
@AllsNotGood - You're so ignorant I don't think I would enjoy sharing your food. Probably just give me cavities
THEDARKKNIGHT1939
THEDARKKNIGHT1939 - 4/10/2025, 1:26 PM
"He was branded as this womanizing, devil-may-care guy, but is that sexy these days? I don't think so."

Yes it is.
ComicBandit
ComicBandit - 4/10/2025, 1:28 PM
@THEDARKKNIGHT1939 - He realizes that the main fans of this are a bunch of geeks doesn't he?
Vigor
Vigor - 4/10/2025, 1:31 PM
@ComicBandit - exactly. Like who is he trying to attract with statements like that ?
ComicBandit
ComicBandit - 4/10/2025, 1:32 PM
@Vigor - Yup. They really need to stop.
Yellow
Yellow - 4/10/2025, 2:03 PM
@THEDARKKNIGHT1939 - it's only sexy if you have Chris Evans body and face tho...
BellChi1ton
BellChi1ton - 4/10/2025, 2:11 PM
@THEDARKKNIGHT1939 - It depends what character you’re referring to.

Also, we haven’t even seen this iteration to say whether or not it’s good or bad. So it seems weird for you guys to fixate on it.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 4/10/2025, 2:55 PM
@THEDARKKNIGHT1939 - This was the only thing I brushed up against for a couple of reasons.
1. Johnny has been explored in multidimensional ways in the comics and is not just this flat character type.
and 2. His character comes form his element, which is fire. It's easier to think of him as like an Italian or Spanyard, passionate about everything. Brash, fiery, lustful. He likes fast cars and women. He was the ultimate hot-rodding teenager when Stan and Jack first introduced him. He's James Dean, Marlon Brando, Elvis Presley, etc.

But Joseph Quinn is a part of this current generation who have all been raised in paralyzing fear of being cancelled. So I get why he would want to make the character easier for him to represent.
Makes me wonder why he didn't have similar conversations with Ridley Scott on Gladiator 2 though.
SpideyQuad
SpideyQuad - 4/10/2025, 2:59 PM
@THEDARKKNIGHT1939 - Hope you don't have any daughters of your. I guess that's pretty silly since you would have to be able to preoccreate
BobGarlen
BobGarlen - 4/10/2025, 3:10 PM
@THEDARKKNIGHT1939 - it works for Iron Man to this day. Especially in that first movie. Works for Bond. Don't see why they think the classic Johnny isn't today's ideal of 'sexy' Especially when looks are usually 3/4ths the equation.
McMurdo
McMurdo - 4/10/2025, 3:20 PM
@THEDARKKNIGHT1939 - it's even more sexy now because of how scared filmmakers are to go there. Despite James Bond doing it since forever.
McMurdo
McMurdo - 4/10/2025, 3:24 PM
@ObserverIO - this interview just confirms the leaks about sue and Johnny.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 4/10/2025, 3:38 PM
@McMurdo - What leaks? Don't tell me they go full Game of Thrones in the bedroom.
RolandD
RolandD - 4/10/2025, 5:10 PM
@BellChi1ton - It’s what they do.
Scarilian
Scarilian - 4/10/2025, 5:13 PM
@THEDARKKNIGHT1939 -
It's also core to part of the appeal of the Fantastic Four... the conflict between them.

It sounds like this version is just going to make a joke every time he does something heroic and be mocked.
McMurdo
McMurdo - 4/10/2025, 5:18 PM
@ObserverIO - there were leaks that Johnny is essentially a choir boy and Sue has the balls in the relationship, so to speak a few months back.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 4/10/2025, 5:41 PM
@McMurdo - Well she is the older sister so that makes sense. She practically raised him in the comics.
KennKathleen
KennKathleen - 4/10/2025, 6:08 PM
@THEDARKKNIGHT1939 - This is Maggie Malone's brainstorming. I'm guessing she's either got her hand up his keister, or he's trained to the point that he knows how to respond.

PS: Maggie Malone is his wife.

Btw, hey Mags:

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McMurdo
McMurdo - 4/10/2025, 6:21 PM
@ObserverIO - I'm referring to her relationship with Reed not Johnny. Leaks stated she's the real lead of the film.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 4/11/2025, 4:16 AM
@McMurdo - Oh yeah I've heard that too.
Vigor
Vigor - 4/10/2025, 1:26 PM
Seeing a possible commonality with this Sue and Wanda. Both mothers to twins. Both have a brother with super powers who rushes into things.

Wanda's pursuits led her to the dark hold, and a dark prophetic path
While Sue's pursuits led her world to de militarizatiin and care for humanity

Im sure they weren't written that way on purpose. But it would be cool to see a conversation between the two in secret wars, like how vision and white vision discussed philosophy
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 4/10/2025, 2:08 PM
@Vigor - it would be interesting if Shakman is consciously aware of those similarities (couple of which seem like from the comics) since he’s now worked with both characters.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 4/10/2025, 2:59 PM
@Vigor - Both into older, smarter dudes. Both had a nanny for their kids called Agatha Harkness who was actually a witch.
ComicBandit
ComicBandit - 4/10/2025, 1:26 PM
This thread will be very entertaining.
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