THE FANTASTIC FOUR Director On Why Doctor Doom Isn't Reboot's Villain; Shares Surprising Plan For Galactus

THE FANTASTIC FOUR Director On Why Doctor Doom Isn't Reboot's Villain; Shares Surprising Plan For Galactus

The Fantastic Four: First Steps director Matt Shakman has explained why Doctor Doom isn't the reboot's big bad and explains why he decided against heading down the motion-capture route with Galactus...

By JoshWilding - Apr 10, 2025 03:04 PM EST
Filed Under: Fantastic Four
Source: Entertainment Weekly

There have been three Fantastic Four movies - four if you count the one that was never "officially" released - and they've all pitted Marvel's First Family against Doctor Doom. 

It's no wonder then that Victor Von Doom is being left on the shelf in The Fantastic Four: First Steps. Had plans for the Multiverse Saga not changed so drastically (with Avengers: The Kang Dynasty becoming Avengers: Doomsday), the team would have likely faced him in a sequel.

Instead, their clash will come next summer when this team assembles alongside the rest of the Multiverse Saga's Mightiest Heroes. In Avengers: Doomsday and Avengers: Secret Wars, Robert Downey Jr. will play Doom. 

Talking to Entertainment Weekly, filmmaker Matt Shakman explained why Galactus was prioritised over Victor in The Fantastic Four: First Steps.

"Doom's a great character, but he takes up a lot of air," the director tells the site. "Other film adaptations have done both an origin story and Doom. We're doing neither, and that allows us to look at them from a fresh perspective."

Galactus is a very different type of villainm and Shakman set out to avoid heading down the expected route with Ralph Ineson's Devourer of Worlds. 

"I didn't want to just use motion-capture for Galactus. I wanted to actually have someone there embodying the part," Shakman confirms. "So we've built an entire costume for him, and we've done a lot of photography testing to figure out, How do you make sure that the scale is correct? How do you film Mount Rushmore?"

As for what Reed Richards makes of this new threat, Pedro Pascal teases, "It is definitely a scale of threat which Reed has never experienced. Even the smartest man in the world is awestruck by a being that outdates his understanding of time."

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Elsewhere in the interview, the actor talked about living up to what fans expect from Mister Fantastic. "It was really intimidating. I relied on the people that I was around to hold me to the experience and help get me through it."

"Stepping into something like Game of Thrones and then going into the early days of Netflix with Narcos and then Star Wars and the world of video games with The Last of Us, each time I've felt like I couldn't top how intimidating the last one was."

"They're all scary because you really want to make people happy, especially if it's something that's widely known with particular expectations around it because you want those expectations to be met," Pascal continued. "You also want to be authentic to yourself so that it can be the best that it can be for anybody who wants to be entertained by a story and travel with us into this world.

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TheRationalNerd
TheRationalNerd - 4/10/2025, 3:19 PM
Love what he's saying for Galactus. I mean of course there's some CGI to use but this is a pretty newer take on handling massive scaled characters so that they can have a realistic physical approach, makes the interactions more intimate and pure!
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 4/10/2025, 3:31 PM
@TheRationalNerd - It feels like actual filmmaking rather than just cookie-cutter shit from the way the director talks about this film.

IMAX is the only option for this movie.
Scarilian
Scarilian - 4/10/2025, 5:34 PM
@TheRationalNerd -
I think people should temper expectations until we actually see Galactus from the front. The CGI clip of him looking through the Baxter Building is not enough. We need to see non-CGI Galactus from the front before you judge it. There's immense potential for this to be an Ant-Man 3 MODOK situation where Galactus will be a laughing stock.

I was fine with Ralph Ineson doing a vocal performance for Galactus, but hearing they are doing physical aspects with him is a bit worrisome. It's tricky to blend a full CGI massive Galactus with a practical effects version.
TheRationalNerd
TheRationalNerd - 4/10/2025, 5:50 PM
@ObserverIO - Yeah I agree. I loved Doctor Strange (2016) but Dormormu feels off when you watch everything as a whole. Motion Capture is amazing. But I give them huge props for not going the 100% cgi route. A lot to look forward to here

And I agree. IMAX day one for me.
TheRationalNerd
TheRationalNerd - 4/10/2025, 5:56 PM
@Scarilian - I see what you're saying. It's definitely ideal for one to tame their expectations in this case. I remember seeing the trailer and the Galactus scene definitely looked incomplete. I believe only the eyes were visible. I'm just excited hearing that they made an actual complete suit for him and everything. It's just cool seeing something different.
Scarilian
Scarilian - 4/10/2025, 6:09 PM
@TheRationalNerd -
There's a few leaks of that online and you can see him move into that pose, showing the mouth and nose briefly. I think my concerns with Galactus are primarily how he'll look from the front and how the story will handle him. Especially with Franklin Richards being in play.
AgentofSH1ELD
AgentofSH1ELD - 4/11/2025, 5:29 AM
@ObserverIO - Im not a big FF fan... but the more I read interviews from Director and Cast I cant help but feel excited... I hope they do live up to expectations... Galactus has always been one of my favorites so im really excited to see how they portray him. Anything is better than a cloud storm with a quick shadow of his helmet..
HagridsHole1
HagridsHole1 - 4/10/2025, 3:24 PM
Sounds good. Ralph Ineson is inspired casting. I really hope they don't alter or augment his voice though. It's got a really kind of hypnotic drawl which I feel fits Galactus perfectly
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 4/10/2025, 4:51 PM
@HagridsHole1 - I think they cast him specifically for his voice. Anybody who changes his voice is a fool
Malatrova15
Malatrova15 - 4/10/2025, 3:25 PM
Because they can only pay Downy Jr once... MARVEL is not swiming in money at this momento.
Comicmoviejunki
Comicmoviejunki - 4/10/2025, 4:38 PM
@Malatrova15 - yeah. They've only made 31.06 billion dollars. Idiotic comment
Malatrova15
Malatrova15 - 4/10/2025, 5:03 PM
@Comicmoviejunki - ok buddy thats enough.. Be civil now.
HashTagSwagg
HashTagSwagg - 4/10/2025, 3:26 PM
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KennKathleen
KennKathleen - 4/10/2025, 3:40 PM
@HashTagSwagg - Underrated image.
Malatrova15
Malatrova15 - 4/10/2025, 5:04 PM
@HashTagSwagg - looks like a nice roofgarden on galactus head top
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 4/10/2025, 5:58 PM
@Malatrova15 - They got a pool too.
WhatIfRickJames
WhatIfRickJames - 4/10/2025, 3:27 PM
He's just a different kind of villainm
KennKathleen
KennKathleen - 4/10/2025, 3:43 PM
@WhatIfRickJames - So many ways to make him work. Supernatural, scientific, political, psychological, economic, etc... they better get Doom right.
TomK725
TomK725 - 4/10/2025, 4:17 PM
@WhatIfRickJames - 🤣
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 4/10/2025, 3:29 PM
Well , it’s obviously because he’ll be the main villain in the Avengers films hence him not being in this one.

Also he’s been done twice before (3 times if you count the unreleased 90’s film) so I can understand wanting to do something different…

I get that Galactus & Silver Surfer have also been technically done before too but the take on the former wasn’t particularly well received hence them being able to do a more “comic accurate” take for lack of a better word while also doing something new with SS aswell by having the Shalla Bal version of the character.

Also Pedro , don’t worry about meeting expectations because those are all over the place nowadays in “fandom”…

Just bring to life the version of Reed that you , the director & others find appealing and then hope others feel the same aswell!!.

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LeonNova
LeonNova - 4/10/2025, 3:41 PM
It’s kinda wild to me we’re getting Galactus right off the bat. He’s an Avengers-level threat all on his own.
Vigor
Vigor - 4/10/2025, 4:09 PM
@LeonNova - i truly doubt he's going to die here
Scarilian
Scarilian - 4/10/2025, 5:35 PM
@Vigor -
Unless he survives to be Franklin's herald in Secret Wars, this is likely it for Galactus.

It makes no sense narrative for them to repeat things in the MCU and the Fantastic Four will have already fought Galactus. The visual appeal of Galactus is already diminished by us having the Celestials. Plus we are heading for a full reboot.
RolandD
RolandD - 4/10/2025, 9:48 PM
@LeonNova - Who has been taken on before multiple times by the FF.
RolandD
RolandD - 4/10/2025, 9:49 PM
@LeonNova - I mean, you’re not wrong either. He’s at least Thanos level without the stones.
LeonNova
LeonNova - 4/10/2025, 11:51 PM
@RolandD - I know, I’m not saying he shouldn’t be in an FF film, it’s just wild he’s in the first one. Like who are they getting for the sequels? And then it’s not even a Loki situation where he’s the main villain in Thor and then Avengers. Because Doom is the main villain in Doomsday.
RolandD
RolandD - 4/11/2025, 1:26 AM
@LeonNova - I don’t know. As much as I can, I just try and sit back and see what happens.
ModHaterSLADE
ModHaterSLADE - 4/10/2025, 3:46 PM
Sounds promising.
RedFury
RedFury - 4/10/2025, 4:12 PM
A practical Galactus is music to my ears! I was already pumped to see the big man on screen, and now I'm over the moon for it. Having him filmed, and lit in live action will likely make him feel all the more real when we see him towering over the city.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 4/10/2025, 4:20 PM
@RedFury - it’s obvious that they are using some motion capture since he said they aren’t just doing that but yeah , it is a creative approach imo and one I’m intrigued to see!!.

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RedFury
RedFury - 4/10/2025, 4:48 PM
@TheVisionary25 - yeah the more complicated scenes I imagine would be really hard to do with the getup he wears, so that's when I assume the motion capture will take over. But the close ups, and static shots of him will probably all be live action with CGI flourishes, and that will probably look so damn good!

Makes me think the shot of him looking through the window in the trailer is actually really him. I love this approach. CGI when necessary, live action everywhere else. Those combos usually lead to the best results. So stoked!
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 4/10/2025, 4:54 PM
@RedFury - that’s a good assumption and I agree…

A mix is always the best route if you can do it since you don’t overuse CG and practical can still have its limits.
MakeAmericaGrea
MakeAmericaGrea - 4/10/2025, 7:37 PM
The smartest man

at the pot shop.
WeaponXCII
WeaponXCII - 4/10/2025, 8:38 PM
I'm not sure if I get the whole "takes up a lot of air" thing (don't think I've ever even heard it, honestly), but, if I'm understanding it correctly, it worries me for Doomsday. But hopefully that version won't be too definitive.

I really like the idea of an on-set Galactus. Sort of like Groot or something.
RolandD
RolandD - 4/10/2025, 9:51 PM
@WeaponXCII - I don’t know if Doom does, but RJ takes up a lot of air in the room.
1stDalek
1stDalek - 4/10/2025, 9:45 PM
Hope they also used miniatures where they could, it feels like a lost art in blockbusters, they really help sell that tactile feel. Like the shot we saw could feasibly be done with a miniature of the floor filmed through the other side so you get the "Galactus looking in" shot and then CGI the background behind him in (+ the touch-ups the suit inevitably gets).
RolandD
RolandD - 4/11/2025, 1:32 AM
@1stDalek - The ghosts of Willis O’Brien and Ray Harryhausen approve.
MarvelZombie616
MarvelZombie616 - 4/11/2025, 3:11 AM
I have seen the trailers multiple times in theaters.
Nothing about this movie is awe-inspiring.
The retro-look doesn't work for me and the Thing looks ridiculess and doesn't sound good. I really don't expect a hit with this movie.
Thunderbolts* looks more interesting.

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