WHITE-WASHING & RACISM in Hollywood Movies

WHITE-WASHING & RACISM in Hollywood Movies

The recent casting of the wonderful Tilda Swington as the Ancient One in Marvel's 'Doctor Strange' sparked some controversy among some fans. This is due to the fact that the character of the Ancient One is an old asian man and Swington is an white woman. Therefore, here's an analysis of the history of white-washing and racism in Hollywood movies.

Editorial Opinion
By AvatarTarSauce - May 31, 2015 04:05 PM EST
Filed Under: Fantastic Four
Source: 'Charismatic Critic' on Youtube

The recent casting of the wonderful Tilda Swington as the Ancient One in Marvel's 'Doctor Strange' sparked some controversy among some fans. This is due to the fact that the character of the Ancient One is an old asian man and Swington is an white woman.  However, it's not the first time that there has been controversy around the race of an actor in a comic book movie. Therefore, here's an analysis of the history of white-washing and racism in Hollywood movies. 

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TheRockmore
TheRockmore - 5/31/2015, 5:19 PM
Don't recall that casting being official...but just another video created by someone who wants to fuel issues.

Minor characters, Heimdall, The Ancient One, etc that wouldnt get a lot of screentime start flamewars among the small group of super fans

Major characters, Johnny Storm, Peter Parker, etc. Its just insulting to any fan if those charactersare race switched for no reason.

Anyway can't wait for my white Black Panther, white Storm, white Black Lightning, white Steel, white John Stewart....oh wait....

"whitewashing" when the characters being casting aren't white...
01928401
01928401 - 5/31/2015, 5:21 PM
I wanted to complain when I read the title because I thought you were going to specifically bitch about how certain characters should or shouldn't change race when being adapted to the screen (to white or from white). I'm glad you proved me wrong. I watched the whole video and I agree wholeheartedly. Once we are all repesented equally in the media, only then can we grow as a society. So many people demand advances in technology and science and fashion and economy. [frick] all of that. We need to grow as a people. We need to stand together as a species, not a bunch of racial groups that kind of agree on stuff.
staypuffed
staypuffed - 5/31/2015, 6:15 PM
@Arrowverse
Your comments are quite narrow-minded, dude. I've said this time and time again: changing a white character to one of colour is increasing diversity. Changing a character of colour to a white one is decreasing diversity.

I'm sick to death of hearing, 'Oh, so if Johnny Storm's black we can make Black Panther Asian, right?!' No. You can't. One, Panther's Wakandan heritage is vital to the character; Johnny Storm's caucasian skin is not. Two, making movies and characters more diverse is a great way to represent our modern world. It's not an 'insult'. You just can't handle it.

And if it really bothers you that much... just think of the comics of the characters in their purest form, and the movies as alternate versions.
staypuffed
staypuffed - 5/31/2015, 6:17 PM
And on the subject of Tilda Swinton as the Ancient One… I wondered why more people weren’t talking about the fact that the casting (if it eventuates) is turning an Asian man into a white woman, which is a little tricky.
Dingbat
Dingbat - 5/31/2015, 6:25 PM
I'm all for changing the race or gender of a character but I honestly don't know what to think about this one. I know next to nothing about the character so I don't have much of an opinion on this particular bit of (possible) casting.
huckfinnisher
huckfinnisher - 5/31/2015, 7:19 PM
@staypuffed, to imply race is important to one character and not to another is a double standard. How is it important that black panther is black because of his back story, but johnny's isnt? Johnny was white because of the era he was created in, changing his race to be more race friendly is the equivalent of censoring history. your heavily implying that African culture is somehow more real and integral than European culture for instance to their respective peoples? just makes you sound ignorant. Just because European/white culture has become the general norm in America doesn't mean that it has no effect on the actual Europeans. In fact, African culture has been changed heavily by European influence, just as Europeans have been changed. The idea that African culture is more valuable because it's less common in other parts of the world than European culture is also ignorant.
(Micheal Jackson voice) just ignorant.
SnapperCarr
SnapperCarr - 5/31/2015, 7:30 PM
Hope Marvel keeps the Anicent One and Wong Asian.
Kurban
Kurban - 5/31/2015, 7:42 PM
@huckfinnisher

The amount of autism in your post is unreal.

'Censoring history'. FFS, by that logic, any change anybody makes to any source material is 'censoring history'. Everything must stay 100% faithful, or else it's 'censoring history'.

Black Panther's heritage is integral to his CHARACTER. When you think of African king, do you generally think of a white man? On average, how many white African kings have there ever been? Then you look at Johnny Storm and exactly what about his character makes him being white so integral? Because changing it is 'censoring history' and making it appear as if African cultures are more important than European ones? Get the [frick] out, dude.
RextheKing
RextheKing - 5/31/2015, 7:49 PM
Tired of hearing this white washing B.S. I'm not to fond of this recent Acient One rumor, but it's not white washing, nor is other race changes. Coming from a black guy, Black washing is closer to a thing than white washing. Race changes are usually done to appeal to the masses, but as of late a lot of these white to black race changes has a PC edge to it.
huckfinnisher
huckfinnisher - 5/31/2015, 8:38 PM
@kurban, Johnny was created in 1961 and is very much a character of the times. the fantastic four (some of Marvels first characters) are very historical, in most comic fans opinion, maybe your not one. In some schools they want books to be censored so they don't have the racism that was prevalent in the times. I'm saying this is the equivalent. Its pandering apologetic bollocks. As i said before, Black Panther is a King from Africa, Johnny storm is a young well to do, socially loved young man from America in the sixties (originally obviously time is funny in comics) Im not saying that the description of johnny i just made that can't describe a black character, just that its far more likely. Just as its far more likely a king of Africa. The point is, culture is culture. No two ways about it.
Kurban
Kurban - 5/31/2015, 8:46 PM
@huckfinnisher

"As i said before, Black Panther is a King from Africa, Johnny storm is a young well to do, socially loved young man from America in the sixties (originally obviously time is funny in comics)"

Except in the movies, he is NOT a young, well-to-do, socially loved young man from America in the sixties. He's a young, well-to-do, socially loved young man from the 21ST CENTURY where his race makes no impact on his life or career.

Yet T'Challa is still an African king. Connect the dots there. The culture of 21st century America says that any man of any ethnicity can have the same job and expertise.
WYLEEJAY
WYLEEJAY - 5/31/2015, 9:16 PM
Jeebus! It's a fictional character open to modernization. There's nothing to state The Human Torch can't be of different ethnic diversity. The Black Panther is defined by his diversity as others have stated. Why don't you pick a harder one. Luke Cage was introduced specifically as a blackxploitation character. So if you were to change him to a different diverse background, then would you be dishonor in the roots the character was designed on? Depends on your outlook. Some people would say the creation of a character that way at that time wasn't handled well. Some would say the character has truly been treated properly the last decade. If he was of a different diverse background, how different would the character be?

So what about the Ancient One? Cause he was an Asian man in the comics means we can never have a different interpretation of the character? This is where bias kicks in. Cause on one hand I can see a missed opportunity to introduce a diverse character, and on the other hand I can see the writer saying this is a different story, a fictional story, that should be open to different interpretations.

I'm not gonna state my own opinions here until I know more about the casting, and I'm sorry but I'm not watching the video either. I am just going to point out that to be a purist, is not the same as being a racist as I have heard others say. But there are racist people out there that will use being a purist as an excuse.

I myself just want a great story. I also want diversity, and I don't particularly care if they change a characters ethnicity as long as they don't ruin the foundations of the character.
WYLEEJAY
WYLEEJAY - 5/31/2015, 9:19 PM
I do however fail to understand the Purist way of thought. Why would you want something to be the exact same for over half a century? I just don't get it.
huckfinnisher
huckfinnisher - 5/31/2015, 9:35 PM
@Kurban, that's why i said its almost to censoring the history books, because its changing a character created in a racist time to the victim of that hatreds race seems to me like your apologizing for the times. And why can't Africa have a different race king? There are different ethnicities here in America, and the so called minority is now the leader, i don't really see how it's any different. So its only important if they are a king? King or peasent your culture is important to who you are, just because American culture became a melting pot doesn't mean that white people in America are culturally indistinct from other people of different origins. Its just unpopular to celebrate a culture as "white" culture, that doesn't mean it that the culture doesn't influence our character as much or more as our social standing (peasent, king). Racial tensions prevent the culture to be celebrated today, but that doesn't mean that white people in America may as well be any other race and you wouldn't see a difference. There is no way you can believe that.
WYLEEJAY
WYLEEJAY - 5/31/2015, 9:42 PM
@huckfinnisher. So what if they had cast an Asian guy to play the Human Torch? Would that still be apologetic? So then white by default is the safe bet for every character? Nahh....I don't think so.

And your correct in one aspect of the Black Panther. A person of different ethnic background could conquer Wakanda and take the title Black Panther. But people are usually referring to T'Challa when they use Black Panther as an example. So it's a bad argument I guess.
huckfinnisher
huckfinnisher - 5/31/2015, 9:59 PM
@Wyleejay, it would be apologetic to change it to any other race because of the racial tensions if the time. And my point is what about wakandan culture makes it inherently black? It has African roots yes but the culture is far more advanced and different. and if other countries begin to emulate African culture (as it is with English culture spreading to America and beyond) how long till its not "African" anymore. The argument that johnnys culture isn't important only hinges on the fact that other races moved to America and conformed (somewhat) to the standard behaviors of the culture. The cultures coming in did influence American culture a bit, sure, but wakanda is not Africa as we know it, it evolved from africa, just like American culture evolved from English culture. Sure other ethnicities and cultures came to America and conformed, but did that mean Americans have no culture? No many retain their cultures and also celebrate Americas culture, Johnny doesn't have that secondary culture, he is not African American, Indian American, Asian American or even native. He just an American, why can't that be ok?
WYLEEJAY
WYLEEJAY - 5/31/2015, 10:44 PM
@huckfinnisher. Why can't that be ok?

Why can't it be OK to change it? See this will never end. It's a FICTIONAL character. They made all the characters white then, cause it was the safe bet. It was a for sure sell. They could of tried to take the first step and write more diverse characters. But they didnt. If you want to call it apologetic that they want to explore diversity now more than they did then, fine. But I would say they are more trying to show respect that they didn't then.

Times are a changing, and the world around us. To try to keep things the way they were in a more racist era is a horrible idea.

But if you look around you can see cultures not being so respectful of diversity. As this article talks about Hollywood. I look at the film Exodus. Americans playing Egyptians. Do people have the right to be offended? What about all those Japanese and Chinese martial arts movies I watch? The Americans are almost always depicted as the bad guys. But we can't cast a Chinese actor to play a Chinese comic book villain cause we don't want to offend them? Not everybody is accepting of change. But that doesn't stop the world from moving on.

So to change Johnny Storm to a black man. People treat it like they cast a white man as Martin Luther King in Selma. See the huge difference there. Ones fictional. Ones real. It's ok to change fiction. How many versions of Shakespeare's plays have been adapted? Their not all the same. But we will treat a comic book character differently?



WYLEEJAY
WYLEEJAY - 5/31/2015, 11:00 PM
He's just American, so why can't that be ok?

I'm kinda surprised you said that. So what about Luke Cage, or Falcon, how bout War Machine? Those characters should be white cause their American?

I see your point though. On why Wakanda has to be depicted as an African way of life. They could have adopted European traditions. But since we haven't seen Wakanda on film yet we can't quite judge yet can we. As far as Wakanda in the comics, if your not happy with the way it's portrayed then I don't know what to tell you.
huckfinnisher
huckfinnisher - 5/31/2015, 11:17 PM
@wyleejay, racism happens and returning every white character won't change that. Yeah it was the safe bet and that sucks but that's how it happened it's the history of the the character, like knowing two Jews created superman to be the ultimate immigrant so more Americans would accept immigrants, that information helps you understand a character better, or at least in a different way, like how comic fans know Tony was an alcoholic, it informs our expectations. Im just saying, racism happens and happened, don't pander accept it. Move on, want a black character, Use a black character. Stop apologizing. That's what's keeping us back, pretending it didn't happen won't help. And my point was English culture has become so widespread its become seen as no culture. Wakandas culture is seen as African but what if african culture was as widespread as english? Would it stop being culture? No it wouldn't, and neither has the culture of Caucasian people.
KingJames
KingJames - 6/1/2015, 12:29 AM
I agree but you should know that the Marvelites will defend anything their brand does.
Baka
Baka - 6/1/2015, 4:49 AM
God I hate these type of articles....
HulkOnion
HulkOnion - 6/1/2015, 6:35 AM
White washing is retarded


Changing race up is dumb no matter what race it is changed to.


There.

WinterOstritch
WinterOstritch - 6/1/2015, 6:37 AM
White washing is something I never really understood until The Last Airbender film came out. That started my uproar of whitewashing and eventually Cultural Appropriation. In the case of the Ancient one, as many lovely people pointed out, isn't official. But if it was, it's not helping in the case of Minorities, ESPECIALLY main Asian characters in Marvel properties. Let's look at the amount of token Asian characters one moment: Hiro, Gogo Tomago, Skye, Melinda May, Helen Cho, and Hogun.

Now, if you only count live action films, that turns into only two: Helen Cho and Hogun. We need more minority representation for Asian characters! In stories, they're almost always background characters or a side Asian character, while stories about the White Savior who comes to wherever their temple or city is, and ends up out-Asianing the Asians at their own culture, UGH.

great video anyways
WinterOstritch
WinterOstritch - 6/1/2015, 6:40 AM
@BlackestKnight not necciasarly. A lot of cases it's okay and sometimes even enhances the story somewhat, but others are more jarring (Johnny Storm) to the GA.
WYLEEJAY
WYLEEJAY - 6/1/2015, 7:31 AM
@huckfinnisher. So Michael B Jordan walks into a audition for a character who is NOT defined by his color. And you think the studio should tell him I'm sorry, but you can't have the role because your black? That's racial discrimination my friend.

So all those white characters that were created in the sixties, All the Fantastic Four, Spider-Man, the original X men, etc.......whose race does not have ANYTHING to do with the characters should remain white half a century later, because you think they should be a constant reminder of racism back then? Superheroes are supposed to be uplifting and give people someone to look up to. You want them to be a reminder of something negative just so you can have your white Johnny Storm? Makes no sense to me at all. And I think I'm done with this conversation. I was just trying to understand you, but the more we talk the worse it looks and sounds. So let's just agree to disagree.
HulkOnion
HulkOnion - 6/1/2015, 7:44 AM
"you think the studio should tell him I'm sorry, but you can't have the role because your black?"


That sure does sound like something an old corporate white dude would say


Lmao



HulkOnion
HulkOnion - 6/1/2015, 9:47 AM
Okay listen, i know there are a lot of white superheroes, too many actually, but Superman and Batman? They're the two most iconic fictional characters... Especially Superman. I guess that depends on your views of Jesus but this isn't about religion. You get what I'm sayin
HulkOnion
HulkOnion - 6/1/2015, 9:51 AM
I'm sick to death of hearing, 'Oh, so if Johnny Storm's black we can make Black Panther Asian, right?!' No. You can't. One, Panther's Wakandan heritage is vital to the character; Johnny Storm's caucasian skin is not.








So that means it's okay to change any black character who is meaninglessly black to white because it's not an integral part of their character? Yes, I get it there are too many white people. It's a fictional damn movie.
GinjaNinja
GinjaNinja - 6/1/2015, 10:41 AM
They have the legal right to cast whoever they want. They can say "Sorry you can't be this character because your black". or "Sorry you can't be this character because your white". I don't care at all, it's not racist, last I checked there are more white people in the world, so if there are more white actors then who cares? At all?
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