JOKER: Everything You Need To Know About The Clown Prince Of Crime's Big Screen Origin Story - SPOILERS

JOKER: Everything You Need To Know About The Clown Prince Of Crime's Big Screen Origin Story - SPOILERS

Last night, Joker director Todd Phillips introduced us to Joaquin Phoenix's "Arthur" so we're taking a look at all the confirmed details, rumours, and spoilers you need to know about the DC Comics movie...

By JoshWilding - Sep 17, 2018 12:09 PM EST
Filed Under: Joker
Yesterday, the first photos from the set of Joker surfaced and with them came a first official look at Joaquin Phoenix's "Arthur" courtesy of director Todd Phillips. Needless to say, that sneak peek has got fans talking and it's quite a different image to the one we got of Jared Leto's Clown Prince of Crime in Suicide Squad (despite that, it's still every bit as controversial but for somewhat different reasons).

Now, we're breaking down all the biggest spoilers, rumours, and confirmed details about Joker to bring you a definitive guide about what to expect in the DC Comics adaptation which is set to serve as a standalone origin story for the iconic Batman villain. Whether or not the Caped Crusader will appear remains to be seen but for now, it appears as if the focus will remain firmly on Phoenix's Joker. 

So, to check out this breakdown, all you guys have to do is click on the "View List" button below.


The Joker May Be Thomas Wayne's Bastard Son



While nothing has been confirmed in this respect, leaked character breakdowns have confirmed that The Joker's mother was extremely attractive in her youth and is now obsessed with her former employer, someone who may very well have impregnated her. Can you see where this is going? Yes, the prevailing theory is that we'll learn Thomas Wayne is actually the Clown Prince of Crime's father!
 

Arthur Fleck



Warner Bros. has done the unthinkable and given The Joker a name: Arthur Fleck. Based on what little we know about him, Fleck returns to Gotham City to care for his ageing mother and after moving into her apartment, he meets Sophie Dumont (someone we'll tell you more about later on). It seems the movie is following the comics to at least a certain extent as he'll be a wannabe stand up comedian.
 

How Thomas Wayne Will Be Portrayed



Because Joker takes place from the point of view of Arthur, it sounds like that will have an impact on how certain characters are portrayed and may even lead to a slightly heightened take on proceedings. Batman's father is described as "cheesy, tanned" and rich-looking. He'll also be in his 60s so that has to mean Bruce is around at this stage, something which hasn't actually been confirmed by anyone yet.
 

It Doesn't Have A Huge Budget



Joker is the first of a new wave of DC Comics movies which will stand by themselves and won't be tied to the Justice League in any way. That means it's free from continuity and seemingly a sign that it won't have to adhere too closely to the comic books as we'll be getting something a little more...original? Time will tell on that front but with a budget of only $55 million, don't expect a huge CGI-fest here.
 

Zazie Beetz Is Sophie Dumond



Who? Sophie isn't a character from the comic books but she is someone who will be very important to Arthur Fleck in this movie. In fact, it sounds like she'll be a love interest of sorts and it could be that the heartbreak he endures because of her is what leads to his descent into madness. Regardless, she's described as being a single mother struggling to make ends meet and worn out by the grind of the city.
 

The Joker's Enemy



It's probably safe to assume that we won't see Batman make an appearance here and even if he does, it's unlikely to be for very long. However, the Clown Prince of Crime could have another foe of sorts in the form of Murray Franklin, a late-night TV host who many fans will humiliate Arthur in some way when he attempts to land a role on there. Murray will be played by the amazing Robert DeNiro.
 

Alec Baldwin Is No Longer Playing Thomas Wayne



The day after being cast as Thomas Wayne, Alec Baldwin announced that scheduling issues had resulted in him having to depart the DC Comics adaptation. However, it appears as if he didn't like the direction Todd Phillips was taking the character in because it sounds like he may have been asked to play a caricature not all that different to his performance as Donald Trump on Saturday Night Live.
 

This Isn't The Only Joker Movie In The Works



Warner Bros. has no plans to bring Superman back to the big screen but we're getting more than one movie about The Joker. Makes sense, right? Regardless, it's been confirmed that a standalone movie for Jared Leto's version of the iconic villain is still in the works but whether or not that will happen and is separate to the planned Joker vs. Harley Quinn spinoff isn't clear but that could be three we're getting!
 

Arthur's Crazy (?) Mother



As we mentioned above, Arthur comes back to Gotham City to care for his mother so how much do you want to bet she's unhinged, overbearing, and someone he probably ends up killing? It's said she can't believe what her life has come to and she's bedridden due to her failing health. Not much is known about her relationship with her son but common sense says we could see it worsen here.
 

Marc Maron's Role Revealed



Not too long ago, we learned that GLOW star Marc Maron had joined the cast of Joker but it's since been revealed that he will be taking on the role of a producer. That producer - while unnamed - has worked for Robert DeNiro's talk show host for a number of years and it's said that Maron will have only a very minor role in proceedings and most of his scenes will be with his legendary co-star in the film.
 

The Movie's Locations



This isn't overly revealing but it's said that a number of sets are being built for Joker, including a hotel, a bank, a "Good Morning" TV show, and mental hospital. It's easy to imagine the latter being Arkham Asylum and that could even be where Fleck winds up depending on how the story pans out. Either way, the first lot of set photos have revealed at least one iconic Gotham City location: Amusement Mile.
 

The Supporting Cast 



A number of actors and characters have been confirmed for the movie, including Frances Conroy and Josh Pais, along with at least a couple of police detectives. That doesn't tell us much and it doesn't appear as if we're getting too many familiar faces from the comic books but don't be surprised if at least some well-known names make some surprise appearances throughout the course of this tale.
 

It's A "Cautionary Tale"



It's no secret that Joker will follow Fleck's descent into madness and the movie has been described as the "exploration of a man disregarded by society [that] is not only a gritty character study but also a broader cautionary tale." Presumably, that means we can expect to see the future villain make some big mistakes as his life unravels and he goes from stand up comic to totally unhinged madman.
 

It Will Be Set In The 1980s



Further distancing itself from what's happening in the DC Extended Universe, it's said that the movie will take place in the 1980s, something which should ensure it has a very different feel and one which fits into the tone set by The Killing Joke during the same period. Martin Scorcese - a producer on the project - is said to be an influence too so expect Todd Philips to take inspiration from Taxi Driver.
 

The New Thomas Wayne



We mentioned that Alec Baldwin is no longer playing Thomas Wayne but a replacement has now been found in the form of Brett Cullen. He's perhaps best known for The Dark Knight Rises and Narcos and is obviously nowhere near as well-known as his predecessor. Whether or not this signals a change in direction for the character is hard to say but it feels like we're getting a clean slate in the movie.

The Rating



Something which hasn't been made clear is whether or not Joker will end up being R-Rated. Given the cast and adult nature of the Clown Prince of Crime's origin story, it wouldn't be at all surprising if a more adult orientated approach is taken, especially with Todd Phillips (the man behind The Hangover trilogy) at the helm. Time will tell but avoiding PG-13 will also help distance this from other DC movies.
 

It's Not A "Superhero Movie"



"I wouldn’t say it’s a superhero movie, or a studio movie or a...It feels unique," says Phoenix about Joker, a movie which definitely sounds like it will be a far cry from the other DC Comics adaptations we've seen from the studio in recent years. He also promises that we should expect to see "incredible characters that are dealing with real-life struggles" and so it sounds like this will be very grounded.
 

The Release Date



Joker has only just started production but like most low budget movies, it's not going to take long until work is complete. A release date of October 4th, 2019 has already been set and that means we should start seeing some official material from this one sooner rather than later with a trailer a very real possibility either later this year or early next. I guess we'll just have to wait and see for now, though.
 

Our First Look At Arthur


 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Arthur.

A post shared by Todd Phillips (@toddphillips1) on


I'm really not sure what to say about this. I've seen some pretty ridiculous claims on social media that this image looks like something out of a Martin Scorsese or Stanley Kubrick film and that's perhaps the dumbest comparison of all-time. This is a bland image of Phoenix's character and while it's not necessarily indicative of the movie's quality, this probably isn't The Joker many fans want to see!
 
Are you guys excited for Joker? Do you think the movie will live up to expectations or is it a disaster in the making? As always, be sure to let us know your thoughts in the comments section!
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MrCamw1
MrCamw1 - 9/17/2018, 12:36 PM
I swear is that NOT a picture of Sean Bean being used as Brett Cullen?!?!
jmorin
jmorin - 9/17/2018, 12:52 PM
@MrCamw1 - It's not. But I can absolutely see the confusion. They look similar.
MrCamw1
MrCamw1 - 9/17/2018, 1:12 PM
@jmorin - its the Jeffrey Dean Morgan/Jsvier Bardem comparrison all over again....but much harder for me.
Matador
Matador - 9/17/2018, 12:38 PM
Josh Wilding for the mic drop
LORDbuckethead
LORDbuckethead - 9/17/2018, 12:40 PM
After those set photos, I'm much more intrigued about this film. Not sure of some of the story choices though.

Superheromoviefan
Superheromoviefan - 9/17/2018, 12:40 PM
i still cant believe they focus on whats popular. its like marvel making a groot movie or green goblin or hell even a veno..... oh wait sony is doing that. so they take notes from sony?
TheLight
TheLight - 9/17/2018, 12:44 PM
I'm still trying to wrap my head around "Arthur Fleck" .


Did they really think no one would notice?
Feralwookiee
Feralwookiee - 9/17/2018, 12:47 PM
MUTO123
MUTO123 - 9/17/2018, 1:09 PM
Yeah, yeah, whatever. Wake me up when the Captain's trailer drops tomorrow.

Ghostnuzzler98
Ghostnuzzler98 - 9/17/2018, 2:53 PM
@MUTO123 - Love that panel and will always love it
Tevii
Tevii - 9/17/2018, 1:12 PM
For the greater good of DC Comics films.... I hope this movie flops.
WB has lost focus on what is important in their pantheon. A Suicide Squad film that nobody liked gets a sequel while they consider sitting on their flagship character and strongest casting choice, Henry Cavil.
They think a Supergirl film is the answer when there is an existing TV show and the fans of that show will automatically dislike the film for not being the characters they know and love.
Now we are wasting time trying to de-mystify the ONE CHARACTER that shouldnt be de-mystified.
If it is a success, it will plummet WB back to the 90s where they believed that Batman mythos is their only viable franchise. THen Nolan films made them believe "dark and gritty" was the only formula. WB is stupid. Only this time due to Wonder Woman, they will also tackle Supergirl, and other properties that no one cares about.
They need to stop neglecting their core characters like Hawkman and Martian Manhunter.
WB keeps repeating their own stupid mistakes the last 3 decades... and the sad thing is I know this will probably be a good movie and Phoenix will make a phenomenal Joker.... but it's just wrong in the big scheme of things because WB are so incompetent.
UltimateCarnage
UltimateCarnage - 9/17/2018, 1:14 PM
Anyway, As a Marvel superfan, I have a feeling that this movie will be a better film than anything in the MCU.

It won't be anywhere close to being a good 'superhero' film (yes I know it's a villain film but I mean in terms of the genre) but much like The Dark Knight, I think it will a great movie that happens to feature superhero characters.

I don't really like the director and the screenwriter doesn't fill me with confidence, but this is Joaquin Pheonix (one of the top 3 greatest living actors in my opinion).

There is no way he'd sign onto this if it was purely for the money. He has that hippy mentality and knows he not only has to live up to Nicholson, Ledger and Hamill (yes I'm adding Hamill) but the fact that Leto played the role very recently would scare many actors away.

As much as I have shit on the DCUE over the years, I agree with Kazamaza and fully expect this to be a potential Oscar film.

WB should leave the popcorn flick to the masters of it and concentrate on DC's biggest strength. Marve;s characters have always been more interesting as individuals against the backdrop of a greater universe whereas DC characters have always been more interesting as standalone stories (IMO).

regularmovieguy
regularmovieguy - 9/17/2018, 2:50 PM
@UltimateCarnage



If nothing else this will be a great change of pace for the genre. Joaquin Phoenix will deliver a great performance per usual. Not everything has to be connected - everyone's asking "where does this fit? this doesn't make sense in the DCEU? How old is Batman?"

Just take it for what it is. A mid-budget character study that features some familiar settings and characters from the DC universe.
Cbmfilmjunkie
Cbmfilmjunkie - 9/17/2018, 1:17 PM
Can't wait. This will be a breath of fresh air in the genre.

Most anticipated CBM for me next next year after A4.
Spock0Clock
Spock0Clock - 9/17/2018, 1:39 PM
Did't read. Don't feel like I need to know any of it, to be honest.
LEVITIKUZ
LEVITIKUZ - 9/17/2018, 1:58 PM
TITLE: “Everything You Need To Know About The Clown Prince Of Crime's Big Screen Origin Story - SPOILERS”

The first point: “While nothing has been confirmed in this respect, ”

Why is Josh allowed to write these trash ass articles?
regularmovieguy
regularmovieguy - 9/17/2018, 2:51 PM
@LEVITIKUZ

A post like this might be relevant a month or so before the movie's release date. Right now, it's a trash ass article.
PC04
PC04 - 9/17/2018, 2:02 PM
I could be way over thinking this (I probably am)...., but "ARTHUR FLECK" doesn't sound like a real name. I feel like this is an Alias or some kind of riddle.

Anyone else get that vibe?
KindredMac
KindredMac - 9/17/2018, 2:04 PM
My quick Photo-Chop of what could be...


Timerider84
Timerider84 - 9/17/2018, 2:21 PM
@KindredMac - That's how I imagined him. I wouldn't be mad if they did something else with his hair though.
JK
JK - 9/17/2018, 3:39 PM
@KindredMac - he looks better without makeup IMO
Tron5000
Tron5000 - 9/17/2018, 2:28 PM
What the hell is his “article” even about? Do you peoplenjust sit around thinking of ways to regurgitate the crap you’ve already said? “We made 17 posts about this already, but let’s just combine them into 1 post and act like it’s new stuff!” Good lord. Get a job. Or some actual writers. FOH.
JK
JK - 9/17/2018, 3:39 PM
You know this article is goood
Wallopmofos
Wallopmofos - 9/17/2018, 3:42 PM
Has NOBODY here seen True Detective?... the bad guy = the clown.
inkniron
inkniron - 9/17/2018, 3:53 PM
Maybe they will wrap shooting on this quickly. I'm already exhausted with the articles about it.
GirlRage
GirlRage - 9/17/2018, 8:34 PM
Fake News! I think the studios know bad stories won't sell. There needs to be a proper foundation to build on. DC movies have a bad habbit of pushing too much conflicting character development. Zod mutated is Doomsday etc. Doing this would be bad for their brand later on.
PaPiTai
PaPiTai - 9/18/2018, 12:50 AM
What if they're secretly tying this movie to the continuity.. This is the original Joker who actually tortures Tim Drake and "kills" Jason Todd but eventually, he gets killed by either one of them and then the Joker (Leto) we had in Suicide Squad is one of them? It is based in the 80s.. Could've tortured Drake in the late 90s and killed Todd in the early 2000s... Leaving all of the stuff I mentioned to take place in about 15 years or so, leaving Affleck's Batman to be where he was at in BvS...

Just an idea..
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