George R.R. Martin Decries The Current State Of Social Media Fandom- "Toxicity Is Growing"

George R.R. Martin Decries The Current State Of Social Media Fandom- "Toxicity Is Growing"

Game of Thrones author George R. R. Martin shares his dismay about the rise of toxic online fandoms and how social media is ruled by "anti-fans."

By MarkJulian - Feb 05, 2024 04:02 PM EST
Filed Under: Marvel Studios

These days, is it cooler to hate on something instead of celebrating the things you love?

On Game of Thrones creator George R. R. Martin's personal blog, he shared that he thought 2023 was a terrible year, not just for himself but for the entire world. However, he then segued into how even film and television isn't an escape anymore because of the toxic nature of online fandoms.

Said Martin:

2023 was a nightmare of a year, for the world and the nation and for me and mine, both professionally and personally.   I am very glad that it is over. Unfortunately, so far 2024 looks to be even worse... There is war everywhere.   Ukraine and Gaza dominate the news, but there is a war in Myanmar as well that our western media just ignores, things are heating up in Yemen and the Red Sea, North Korea has nukes and is testing missiles and rattling sabres, Venezuela is threatening to annex three quarters of neighboring Guyana....I look around, and it seems as though my entire generation of SF and fantasy writers is gone or going.  Only a handful of us remain… and for how long, I wonder?

Well, I take solace where I can.   In chocolate thrones, if nowhere else.   In books.   In films and television shows… though even there, toxicity is growing.  It used to be fun talking about our favorite books and films, and having spirited debates with fans who saw things different… but somehow in this age of social media, it is no longer enough to say “I did not like book X or film Y, and here’s why.”  Now social media is ruled by anti-fans who would rather talk about the stuff they hate than the stuff they love, and delight in dancing on the graves of anyone whose film has flopped.

Martin definitely knows a thing or two about toxic fans as the enormous fandom surrounding HBO's Game of Thrones quickly turned on the show and its creators following a divisive final season and finale. Then, there are those fans who blamed Martin for not finishing his books in a timely fashion.

Martin is also a well-known fan of Marvel Comics and the Marvel Cinematic Universe, so it's likely he's well aware of the shift in the fandom towards how the MCU has progressed since the end of Avengers: Endgame.

Marvel Studious was once thought to be an invincible, irreproachable powerhouse that would churn out billion-dollar box office hit after hit.  More recently, it's latest cinematic offering barely grossed more than $200 million worldwide and was derided by both critics and fans alike.

Comments on social media and YouTube for Marvel projects are awash with criticism concerning "how far Marvel has fallen off."

But is that the case of a vocal few creating the illusion that the majority feels this way or is it just the popular thing these days to take shots at what's popular? Feel free to share your thoughts in the comment section below.

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SATW42
SATW42 - 2/5/2024, 4:16 PM
This site perfectly proves his point.
supermanrex
supermanrex - 2/5/2024, 4:26 PM
@SATW42 - EXACTLY!!!!!
dragon316
dragon316 - 2/5/2024, 4:27 PM
@SATW42 - comments I read on other sites and social media it’s everywhere not one place
bobevanz
bobevanz - 2/5/2024, 4:29 PM
@SATW42 - thank you for your service
Vigor
Vigor - 2/5/2024, 4:31 PM
@SATW42 - this is what I've been saying for the longest. Whar @mycoolyoung and I lament about. This site is prime example.

Hate watching something must be a state of mind or mindset. I can't imagine wasting the time to do such thing
CyberBishop
CyberBishop - 2/5/2024, 4:32 PM
@SATW42 - Yup and add pretty much add any other site, group, whatever that is on the internet. People suck and are horrible.
Goldboink
Goldboink - 2/5/2024, 4:34 PM
@SATW42 - Yup. Take a bow gang.
Goldboink
Goldboink - 2/5/2024, 4:35 PM
@dragon316 -
My only exposure to any kind of social media is this place and a NY Giants fan site. There is a healthy contingent of those folks in both places, although they are at least confronted on the football site.

I weep for the future.
tylerzero
tylerzero - 2/5/2024, 5:05 PM
@Goldboink -

This is how I heard your last sentence...


Goldboink
Goldboink - 2/5/2024, 5:14 PM
@tylerzero -
Yea, that's pretty spot on.

comicfan100
comicfan100 - 2/5/2024, 5:28 PM
@SATW42 - Yeah. When I read what he had to say a few days ago, this site instantly came to mind.
Ryguy88
Ryguy88 - 2/5/2024, 6:07 PM
@SATW42 - well when creators actively make shitty versions of the things they love, they create their own anti-fans.
Usernametaken
Usernametaken - 2/5/2024, 4:17 PM
Hold my beer, I think I can help make things worse :
Clintthahamster
Clintthahamster - 2/5/2024, 4:24 PM
This, 100%. It used to be fun to talk about things we liked and didn't like about sci fi and fantasy, and now it's just people rooting for things to fail, complaining about non-white cast members, calling things "woke" because there are more women in the cast then men. It's a real bummer.
MyCoolYoung
MyCoolYoung - 2/5/2024, 7:02 PM
@ClintThaHamster - if we’re being honest, they’ll swap one white character and the rest will be 85% white and they’ll still complain.

They can gender swap 2 male characters and it’s just woke bs after that. It’s frustrating
MarvelZombie616
MarvelZombie616 - 2/5/2024, 4:24 PM
He is right about the wars.

I think online hate has declined a little.

Personally i thought Game of Thrones had 7 great seasons and an awful last one.

I also think that the Marvel Cinematic Universe reached it's high with
Eddyk68
Eddyk68 - 2/5/2024, 4:29 PM
@MarvelZombie616 - I'd like to believe you about the online hate declining, but it feels like there is an uptick of negative spam reviews on female led projects on sites like IMDb and Rotten Tomatoes. Maybe it's just me though.
Scarilian
Scarilian - 2/5/2024, 4:54 PM
@Eddyk68 -
Corporations use tools such as race, sex, gender, politics as a shield against criticism.

As such the most common films to receive what is labelled incorrectly as review bombing are films where the film actively is using those previously mentioned tools as a defense against criticism.

As such people are more likely to rate these projects lower on principle because not only is the media [frick]ing atrocious, but the media is also failing to represent race, sex, gender, politics in a non-toxic way.

bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 2/5/2024, 5:17 PM
@MarvelZombie616 - think he's right about the different forms of media in general. Negative stuff just dominates media, and it's not even everything yet.

Also, reached it's high with what?
Goldboink
Goldboink - 2/5/2024, 5:23 PM
@bkmeijer1 -
That would be She-Hulk!
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