In Defense Of Marvel Studios: 6 Reasons It's Way Too Soon To Give Up On The Marvel Cinematic Universe

In Defense Of Marvel Studios: 6 Reasons It's Way Too Soon To Give Up On The Marvel Cinematic Universe

With the Marvel Cinematic Universe once again dealing with negative reports, we're taking a look at why fans need to be patient and not give up on Marvel Studios even if the Multiverse Saga isn't perfect!

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By JoshWilding - Nov 02, 2023 12:11 PM EST
Filed Under: Marvel Studios

Is the end nearing for Marvel Studios and the Marvel Cinematic Universe? Some would have you believe that's the case, particularly with so much talk of "superhero fatigue."

Yesterday, Variety published a piece exploring the MCU's recent struggles. After reading that, we wouldn't blame you for feeling disillusioned; however, amid the negativity, the report only really focused on a small handful of past and upcoming projects, giving the impression the franchise as a whole is in serious trouble. 

While Marvel Studios has struggled since the Multiverse Saga began, it's far too soon to write it off. In this feature, we're delving into why it's too soon to give up on the MCU and what's led to this strange outpouring of negativity surrounding a studio and franchise that could once do no wrong. 

To take a look through this opinion piece, you simply need to click on the "Next" button below. 
 

6. Blame Disney, Not Marvel Studios

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Marvel Studios has had something of a quantity vs. quality issue in the Multiverse Saga, though it was ousted Disney CEO Bob Chapek who pushed for a significant and seemingly endless stream of MCU content to bolster the studio's theatrical and streaming offerings. 

For fans, the prospect of getting multiple movies, TV shows, and even animated series sounds like a dream come true. The reality has been a little different and everything from interconnectivity to visual effects have suffered. Well, Bob Iger - the man who acquired Marvel Entertainment - is back and looking to get Marvel Studios on the right track. However, that's not going to be instant. 

Since Spider-Man: Far From Home closed out the Infinity Saga, there have been 9 movies and 12 seasons of television. Had it not been for the pandemic, those numbers would be even greater. It's a ridiculous amount of content and MCU projects no longer feel like an event, as a result. However, thanks to recent delays, less will soon be more again.
 

5. It's Not Been As Bad As Some Would Have You Believe

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Some have written the entire Multiverse Saga off as a failure. To that, we say, "What the f***?"

Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings, Spider-Man: No Way Home, Black Panther: Wakanda Forever, Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3, WandaVision, Hawkeye, and Loki all rank among the best MCU content we've ever had. Some movies and TV shows have indeed failed to live up to expectations - Thor: Love and Thunder and Ant-Man and The Wasp: Quantumania were undeniably disappointing - but the MCU has always been a tad hit-or-miss. 

After all, even the Infinity Saga delivered its fair share of forgettable efforts, including Iron Man 2 and Thor: The Dark World. Marvel Studios does need to better explain the Multiverse and help people understand where the story is heading; however, this Saga is not in any way a DCEU-level disaster. 
 

4. They're Working To Make Things Right

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This is important. While Marvel Studios isn't necessarily firing on all cylinders as we write this, they're aware of that and are making moves to address these problems. Daredevil: Born Again, for example, has been taken back to the drawing board and the plan now is to hire proper showrunners. 

That's a completely different approach to producing TV shows and one which suggests Marvel Studios is learning. Thus far, they've attempted to make them as they would movies; for the most part, it hasn't worked, so a major, costly overhaul is in the works. 

Then, there's the Kang issue. It's not Marvel Studios' fault that Jonathan Majors has landed himself in a very public legal battle but, even before then, it's said executives were aware fans haven't embraced the villain. Now, they're considering other options like Doctor Doom. 
 

3. The Wrong Sort Of People Are Shaping The Narrative

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You probably don't need us to tell you that, since the pandemic, the world has become more divided than ever before. Whether it's politics or the troubling rise of troubled young men who deem themselves "incels," the internet isn't always a nice place to be these days. 

Some of those people - not all - are jumping on the MCU's struggles to further their agendas. The fact more female characters have been given the spotlight has proven problematic, as has an increase in diversity. As a result, they are now being blamed for the MCU's failings when that's not even close to being the case. 

It's true the VFX in She-Hulk: Attorney at Law isn't the best. Beyond that, what did it do to warrant such a vile outpouring of vitriol from "fans"? Listen to whoever's opinions you like - this is, after all, an opinion piece - but just be wary of what their true agenda is. Oh, and don't get us started on the "superhero fatigue" crowd!
 

2. Don't Write The Multiverse Off Just Yet

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When it first became clear Marvel Studios was planning to explore the Multiverse, excitement among fans went through the roof. Since then, we've been treated to all three live-action Spider-Men sharing the screen, Richard E. Grant as Loki, and John Krasinski's long-awaited debut as Mister Fantastic. 

With that in mind, it becomes tough to figure out why the Multiverse has been declared a failure of the highest proportions. It has struggled to live up the endless stream of rumours, yes, but there's still plenty of potential for this Saga. 

As we've already mentioned, Marvel Studios needs to better establish the Multiverse's rules (why do some Variants all look the same and others don't?) and firmly establish where the story being told is heading. Deadpool 3, however, looks to be a movie that takes full advantage of this premise and everything we've heard about the next Avengers movies sounds epic. Wrapping it up a little sooner than planned wouldn't be an awful idea. 
 

1. Has Everyone Just Forgotten The Infinity Saga?

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It certainly feels that way. The Infinity Saga was phenomenal, but it also wasn't perfect. The Incredible Hulk and Ant-Man and The Wasp, for example, were nothing special so why does it matter that much more now a couple of MCU movies have been dubbed "Rotten" by a review aggregator everyone claims not to care about? 

We'll leave you to decide, but the point is, if Marvel Studios could navigate that era of storytelling's misfires, then there's no reason to believe they can't weather this storm as well. Remember, it was during that eleven-year period we were treated to many of the greatest superhero movies ever made. 

Perhaps that's set expectations too high. Whatever the case may be, we're talking about a studio that knows what it's doing. This isn't Warner Bros. and its failed DCEU or Sony Pictures and its disastrous Spider-Man-less spin-offs. It's Marvel freakin' Studios. Now, we just wait for them to turn things around. 

And, for those of you who are curious, here's where we got that awesome banner image. 

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Cap1
Cap1 - 11/2/2023, 12:38 PM
Reason number 1. to give up on the MCU: it’s hot trash now
Origame
Origame - 11/2/2023, 12:49 PM
@Cap1 - 6 reasons to give up on the mcu.

6) she hulk tweaking.

5) you already left, didn't you?
Origame
Origame - 11/2/2023, 1:02 PM
*twerking
Cap1
Cap1 - 11/2/2023, 1:06 PM
@Origame - Couldn't give less of a shit about the twerking, things are allowed to be silly, especially a muscular green lawyer giant woman, that's not really the issue. The issue's the awful writing/narrative/lack of ideas/lack of coherency/lack of general good things
Origame
Origame - 11/2/2023, 1:11 PM
@Cap1 - oh yeah. I don't even think it's that bad. It's just cringe is all.

Just like bringing it up cuz it annoys the right people 🤣
Variant
Variant - 11/2/2023, 1:15 PM
@Cap1 - What a comprehensive explanation...

This will always be a bad argument. Multiverse Saga so far has only had a few misses and nothing more than what Phases 1-3 had. And based on reviews from multiple sites, Phase 4 actually reviewed second best.

Marvel Studios has started trying new things. Just because everything isn't catered directly to you does it mean it's somehow trash for everyone. Duh.
ImBatman4realz
ImBatman4realz - 11/2/2023, 1:58 PM
@Variant - … are you in denial? This franchise has rapidly spun out of control and people are disinterested.
Variant
Variant - 11/2/2023, 2:04 PM
@ImBatman4realz - No. I look at facts and don't act on emotions. Phase 4 reviewed better than Phase 1 and 2. To say the MCU has "rapidly spun out of control" and "people are disinterested" in the middle of that last film to perform incredibly well and the current show, Loki S2, being extremely popular right now, I'd say you're quite deluded to feel the need to make such a silly and dramatic argument.
KennKathleen
KennKathleen - 11/2/2023, 2:33 PM
@ImBatman4realz -

The Variants denial level is more interesting than phase 4.
dragon316
dragon316 - 11/2/2023, 4:19 PM
@Cap1 - before people labeled twerking as dance I first saw twerk dance at strip club and strippers in movies doing that move
BackInTheJSSR01
BackInTheJSSR01 - 11/3/2023, 3:24 PM
@Variant - Left Brain Behavior
grif
grif - 11/2/2023, 12:39 PM
ot this looks like shit

Cap1
Cap1 - 11/2/2023, 12:41 PM
@grif - one of the John Wick dudes is doing Gods work and the other The Devils. Also OT: this looks incredible

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bobevanz
bobevanz - 11/2/2023, 12:52 PM
@grif - it doesn't look that bad, I stop trailers about half way to avoid spoilers. You can tell when there's a 3 minute trailer, stop showing the whole movie hollywood!
MotherGooseUPus
MotherGooseUPus - 11/2/2023, 1:08 PM
@Cap1 - i have high hopes. Reeves set the bar wicked high for this series, but, this does look good.
Cap1
Cap1 - 11/2/2023, 1:10 PM
@MotherGooseUPus - I was cautious about the Maze Runner dude doing it, but that's a pretty good runway for this. Futuristic, post-apocalyptic, ruined buildings etc. Very glad they've clearly stayed true to the previous trilogy whilst leaning more into the fantastical stuff
MotherGooseUPus
MotherGooseUPus - 11/2/2023, 1:16 PM
@Cap1 - the previous trilogy, when it came out, was top 3 best going at the time. idk if they can live up to those expectations but this looks like a great start and im excited to see it
SirDuckAlot
SirDuckAlot - 11/2/2023, 1:19 PM
@grif - That looks embarrassing
Cap1
Cap1 - 11/2/2023, 1:22 PM
@MotherGooseUPus - Yeah I'd still personally rate that up there with LOTR and OG Star Wars as a trilogy, incredible what they pulled off there. I'm down either way, don't think it'll hit emotionally like the last 3 but the spectacle looks great
MotherGooseUPus
MotherGooseUPus - 11/2/2023, 1:38 PM
@grif -
ImBatman4realz
ImBatman4realz - 11/2/2023, 1:58 PM
@Cap1 - cannot wait for this! So stoked for the day they get to time period of “the original movies”
grif
grif - 11/2/2023, 2:37 PM
@Cap1 - only saw the first one
dragon316
dragon316 - 11/2/2023, 4:23 PM
@bobevanz - that’s impossible for trailers show whole movie no one knows who will live how it ends
dragon316
dragon316 - 11/2/2023, 4:24 PM
@Cap1 - werid see humans in this one last one woody harelson said humans are slowly dying out what happen to girl at end of last one
Lokiwasright
Lokiwasright - 11/2/2023, 12:41 PM


- I'm here to save it

Nick Fury
Origame
Origame - 11/2/2023, 12:50 PM
@Lokiwasright - eh, he'll just call his skrull friend to save the day while saying he can't trust super-powered aliens with this.
bobevanz
bobevanz - 11/2/2023, 12:55 PM
@Lokiwasright - he literally left this shitty earth after that sad excuse for a Skrull Invasion
Origame
Origame - 11/2/2023, 12:47 PM
6) ok, this is just semantics. It really doesn't matter if it's disney or marvel. The end result is still the same. Sh!t projects. It's not like marvel will ever be separate anytime soon.

5) while I'll agree it hasn't been all bad, none of those projects have even matched the expectations we got from marvel in phase 2. Let alone phase 3. Saying those are some of the best mcu content just isn't there.

4) well they claim that. I'll believe it when I see it.

3) f@#$ off. This is just you lamp shading the issue by saying "oh people just exaggerate it for their own politics". If variety is going out of its way to essentially crucify the mcu for what it's done, that's a sign dude. They've been making the argument incels and racists are the only ones against marvel, and even they couldn't keep brushing the problems under the rug.

2) really can't see the potential. Only multiversal movie I'm interested in is Deadpool 3. And that's only because Deadpool himself can get some nice material from it.

1) ever hear of the fall of rome?
Variant
Variant - 11/2/2023, 1:21 PM
@Origame - Phase 4 reviewed better than Phases 1 & 2. This is based on RT, Metacritic, IGN, and IMDb.

The argument that the MCU is "sooo bad" now is utterly dramatic and exaggerated. MOST of the projects have reviewed well. And only a few projects underperformed whether monetarily or review wise.

Meanwhile, GotG 3 killed it and Loki S2 is killing it. People crying all the time just look silly and emasculated.
Origame
Origame - 11/2/2023, 1:32 PM
@Variant - oh look. It's the mcu white knight. Come to "save" the day.

I've long since explained the flaws in your logic. So how about you...

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Variant
Variant - 11/2/2023, 1:35 PM
@Origame - You THINK you have but always fail to actually put up any kind of logical argument. And more of a white knight for calling out stupid arguments more so than I am anything for the MCU. You and a select few people just happen to ALWAYS be crying about the MCU with stupid ass points.

You love to complain and it's entirely pitiful. And in this case, you can't even provide a counter argument. Based on your dramatics, you'd think Marvel Studios was putting out DC and Sony numbers. LOL.

Imagine being such an insecure whiner that you thrive off complaining...
Origame
Origame - 11/2/2023, 1:42 PM
@Variant - seeing a lot more people here siding with me that the mcu is trash currently than you, so...

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Variant
Variant - 11/2/2023, 1:48 PM
@Origame - Lol. You have zero likes on your original comment. As trivial as that is, I'm just pointing out how your observations are lacking. And now you're spamming this youtube video on multiple threads. You look desperate for attention.
Origame
Origame - 11/2/2023, 1:54 PM
@Variant - yeah, I'm looking at the people actually commenting dude. More people are on my side.

You even admitted that's trivial yet that's the only way you can respond. Hence my reaction everytime I see your name in my messages

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Variant
Variant - 11/2/2023, 2:01 PM
@Origame - Ah yes, the complainer committee is all on your side. I see plenty others here on the other side of the argument. But also, you still can't provide a counter argument for the actual facts. Based on consensus, the MCU is still reviewing really well overall. But yeah, try and pit your sample size of a few people on this one thread as your "side of the argument".

This is why you take so many L's...
Origame
Origame - 11/2/2023, 3:05 PM
@Variant - 1) well I see more on mine. And calling them the complainer committee shows you have no counter to the people who genuinely feel the mcu has lost its way.

2) I have countered you. Numerous times. You just ignore it and resort to insults. So now I'm just pointing and laughing at you.
marvel72
marvel72 - 11/2/2023, 3:15 PM
@Variant - I liked Guardians Of The Galaxy Vol 3 but when you say it and Loki Season 2 are killing it..

I agree Loki Season 2 is help killing the MCU.

The Marvels and Echo will help it along as well.
Variant
Variant - 11/2/2023, 5:25 PM
@marvel72 - Intentionally twisting my words definitely doesn't do anything for you. GotG3 and Loki both reviewed extremely well. Whining about the MCU looks silly as hell. Do y'all need TRT or something? Cuz you both sound like you're on your periods.
Variant
Variant - 11/2/2023, 5:31 PM
@Origame - You've literally never won an argument with me. I can provide stats, academic sources, etc and you'll just say that doesn't count. LOL. It's clownery.

So back to the subject at hand. MOST of Phase 4 reviewed well. And collectively it's all still net positive. These are the things YOU have no counter to. So you're part of the complainer committee AND I have the upper hand in your silly little argument. And the people that "think the MCU has lost its way" has no counter to the facts. Y'all just can't see past your own nose and think the MCU has to appeal to you and only you.
Origame
Origame - 11/2/2023, 5:43 PM
@Variant - 1) you've never provided stats. I did that. You took the stats and just insisted they were proving your point (which really just shows you both don't know how stats work and you refuse to even pay attention to what my point is).

2) those academic sources were opinion pieces from activists. You simply called them academic sources because they were professors. A literal appeal to authority fallacy.

3) still not repeating my point on debunking this. You can't seriously expect me to take you seriously here in a debate after you've whined about me "not counting" your points then bring up an argument I long since countered yet you refuse to count my points.

4) no, I just don't like it. It's that simple my dude. You like it, good on you. But I don't and I'm not gonna stop saying I don't like current marvel (at least until it improves).

Ffs, even the marvel shill Josh had to admit the mcu is in a rough patch and needs to improve.
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