Comics to film: Why so angry?

Comics to film: Why so angry?

Comics don't always make a smooth transition to film and even when they are done well someone always cries foul about something, why?

Editorial Opinion
By blueballs - Jul 26, 2010 07:07 AM EST
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Let’s face it folks were spoiled brats. 12 years ago we did not have it so good, when I was growing up Superman was the only movie franchise out there, and since Hollywood did such a great job on the first two it’s easy to say well gosh that turned out well it almost looks easy!

Well it’s not, because then along came Superman 3 and 4, well they speak for themselves.

Then came Tim Burtons Batman, and the first film was accepted as pretty cool at the time, people complained about Michael Keaton as Batman making everyone fear it would be much like the old 60’s TV series. It was however not so, not yet anyways. It did not take long for the franchise to quickly fall apart, as soon as the sequel was released fans quickly saw the cracks in the foundation.
Batman Returns, Forever, and that last one which shall not be named kind of ruined it for all comic book movies making general audiences perceive this genre as nothing more than little kid stuff, let’s just say it wasn’t taken very seriously.

Spiderman and X-men changed everything, finally comic book films that were entertaining but not insulting to the viewer even with their flaws it still managed to ignite the fire that caught studios attention seeing as they made a ton of moolah.

Okay so what you know this already, what's the point? Back then we used to bitch about the same things we do now casting, directors, changes to the source material, costumes, however the bitching made the same noise but now were just snobs. Our earlier complaining was definitely valid as the studios were trying to figure out how to make this genre work, a genre they did not understand. The casting we used to argue about was “oh dear god if Freddie Prince Jr. gets this role I’m going to have an Aneurism!” or, Asthon Kutcher etc.. We complained back then because the quality of actor that was attached to these films, we used to get the C list of quality, but now we argue over guys like Ed Norton and Mark Ruffalo two very accomplished actors. Just because you haven’t seen Mark Ruffalo in many high profile films, does not mean he’s worse than Ed Norton, he’s just different he’s more into character films than slam bang films(but now that I say that it’s not like Ed Norton was a big action star either, but I digress). I mean honestly casting for these films has improved 100% as the genre has become more character driven then spectacle.

Costumes will always be a sticking point for fans no one will ever agree on this subject. Purist want their film characters to look exactly like they do in the funny books, others don’t mind logical changes as long as they stay as faithful as possible yadda, yadda. I’m on the side of the fence that believes as long as it looks cool I’m good, take Captain America for example the argument of stay faithful to the source material or update the costume take a look at the 2 attempts one very faithful the other not so much? Question for the purists which one would you rather see?




Alex Ross has done some pretty cool paintings over the years but I think that if there is one thing you can take away from his realistic approach is that these costume if translated pitch perfect from comic to screen would look rather ridiculous.



We are finally starting to get some serious talent behind these films, and yet we bitch like they’re still hiring low grade talent. Just because someone doesn’t command a 20 million dollar salary doesn’t mean they’re not good. However on one side of the coin a studio like Fox needs to be bitched at as they have shown a history of messing things up, and not appearing to care. Marvel studios on the other hand is in my opinion treating their properties with care, even if Kevin Feige is not so good at being political, he’s still helped produce 3 damn fine comic adaptations, with what looks to be 3 more with Thor, Cap, and the Avengers on the horizon.

My argument is this, the comic books themselves after 60 plus years of stories are full of convoluted stories, and continuity errors, costume changes, different writers, and artist all with their own take on things, and some get vocal about that, but when it comes to the movies some people get outright outlandish with their comments, they cry foul if Hank and Jan are not included in the Avengers because they are founding members but say nothing that Captain America will be in it even though he was not added until issue 4. Or lets have 12 Avengers in the first movie so there will be no time for an actual plot, I mean have we learned nothing from Spiderman 3? Adding characters just because you want them doesn’t mean a film will be better for it. There’s never enough time in one movie to cover the entire history of comics in one go, be patient that’s what sequels are for. In comics you can draw in hank and Jan even if they are not integral to the story being told but in movies if you just throw in a character that cost money, and what if down the line they want to do something with that character but the actor who stood in the background playing said character has to be recast say like Kitty Pride in X-men 1, 2, and 3. 3 different films, 3 different actors.

Be patient, and maybe even try being polite instead of being so rude to people. It’s one thing to have an opinion but to flame on people because they offer an argument to your opinion is just sad. Think things through before hating on people, especially if you haven’t seen an actor before don’t just automatically assume they’re going to suck do some research, same if you don’t like a director at least have some reasons you don’t like someone’s body of work and be polite about it instead of being a 10 year old troll. Just be happy our favorite genre is becoming very popular, and more respected, I remember scrounging for anything that was a live action superhero, and now it’s everywhere, so be happy, and if a film doesn’t work out just hope they learn their lesson and next time they might get it right if not we always have the comic books themselves to fall back on.
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LEEE777
LEEE777 - 7/26/2010, 7:23 AM
Maybe we want as close to the real thing instead of a diluted HOLLYWOOD xeroxed version lol!

If HOLLYWOOD did the quality, they do in the comic books, we wouldn't get all these cbm flops all the time!

Nice article btw! ; )

grog
grog - 7/26/2010, 7:35 AM
well said
blueballs
blueballs - 7/26/2010, 7:56 AM
leee777@ Watchmen was very faithful to a point but the film didnt work not because of costume changes its because it stuck too close to the comic narrative, which is odd since the books were deconstructing the genre that doesnt translate to film, the best parts of Watchmen was when it deviated or stylised certain aspects of the book such as the opening credit sequence which is flat out amazing.
ROMACK
ROMACK - 7/26/2010, 8:05 AM
Very well said!

I keep saying it..."It's a great time to be a fanboy."

I believe that many people want so much (myself included) to be taken back 20 (or 30 years for some of you old farts) and see these heroes that they love and BELIEVE that a man can fly!.

I know LEEE is very specific in what he wants to see, and most of the time I am in accord with his choices but not always, but we never get ugly about it. I have certain people that I want to see play Kitty Pryde because she was one of the characters that drew me into comics. I was like 12 when she joined the X-Men and thought she was awesome and cute.

We have grown up (so to speak) with these characters. So they seem like people to us sometimes. We love these people because they are part of what makes us WHO WE ARE. So now we live in a time where the technology of movie making has hit a benchmark where the fantasies of our youth can be put on the big screen....nay! Brought to LIFE in a way that could never have been done before.

So I don't see it as anger or "flaming" someone.... I see it as people who are passionate about these charaters and how they view them and want them to be represented. Agreed, a few people get "outta hand", but for the most part it is friendly debate. I know the ability is out there to give the fans what they want and I believe Studios like Marvel And WB(sometimes) are trying to give the fans what they want..... but I still think there should be WINGS on the sides of Captain America's head. Painted or otherwise.
marvel72
marvel72 - 7/26/2010, 8:34 AM
i want my comic movies to be more like the source material they're based on.

for good adaptions with slight changes iron man,the watchmen,sin city,300,x-men 2 & spider -man 2.

bad adaptions spider-man,spiderman 3,x-men origins wolverine,fantatsic four 1 & 2,daredevil,ghost rider,elektra & x-men 3.

the only way to get the films we want is for marvel to get all their rights back.

if film studios like fox & sony actually picked up copies of the x-men & spider-man,they may actually get something right.
ManThing
ManThing - 7/26/2010, 11:44 AM



oh yeah were just supposed to shut up and be happy no matter what, huh? Nice.




blueballs
blueballs - 7/26/2010, 12:03 PM
Juggernaut@ Can you point to the part were it said stfu and be happy?
Theres nothing wrong with disliking something and expressing it however theres no need to be so angry about it.
Discussing things that dont work or fail in an adaptation can definitely lead to good changes no doubt about it, thats how we get better at things however being mean and vile gets nothing accomplished all that happens is intelligent disscussion goes away and is replaced with people taking a stance on something and not opening their minds to different possibilities, you can listen without having to change your mind just be willing and open for different ideas, and if those ideas dont change your stance then good for you at least you were willing to listen.
If you interpreted this article as me telling you what to think and feel let me just say I feel you've misinterpreted it.

p.s. stfu, and do as I say! :p lol
ManThing
ManThing - 7/26/2010, 1:47 PM
eh, your not as bad as some.

Sorry. I'm kind of cocked from a bunch of other situations around here.
AverageCitizen99
AverageCitizen99 - 7/26/2010, 2:39 PM
@blueballs
Nice work! People do need to realize that about the situations studios are in. The costumes can and can't work for their own reasons. Some will translate very well and then there are those that can't unless there will be slight to major touch-ups (i.e. X-Men, Batman, Green Lanter, etc). And Fox is being considered a joke now so if they ever want to be taken seriously by anyone again they better start taking their projects seriously or else they will be joining the ranks of M. Night Shymalan. I think they already are.

People are getting over arms especially about films that we haven't even seen yet. The most flack is coming towards the Spider-Man and X-Men reboots. The Spider-Man film so far is progressing very well: A Golden Globe nominated filmmaker is directing it, a BAFTA award winning actor is playing the webhead, and there are some that are still complaining about it. And as for the X films: Matt Vaughn, the guy who brought us all a fun and awesome adap. like "Kick-Ass" is working on the film with scribe Jane Goldman and people are also complaining about it for various reasons. Hold off your stomping until we see footage or get some early reviews. When you see a negative review or have seen the film for yourself then you can judge it.

Great work! :)
blueballs
blueballs - 7/26/2010, 3:57 PM
purejustice@ lol true, one can hope though! Thank you for the compliment, maybe pass the word on to an admin about the article,I'm not vain enough to ask an admin such a thing at least not yet any way.
Ven0m
Ven0m - 7/26/2010, 6:54 PM
Nice article. When comic con news started flooding this site a ton of trolls started going crazy on the boards. All people have their own opinion and will sometimes differ then yours so I don't understand why people go off on others for shit like that.
DeadShizzle
DeadShizzle - 7/28/2010, 2:35 PM
@blueballs nice article

I couldn't agree more, I've been coming to this site for the better part of 5yrs and I don't comment that often because some ppl just want to argue and tell you your opinion is Sh!t, with no reason other than your opinion is Sh!t.

It's like a saying I saw somewhere else.
Annonymity + Audience = Total Dickwad
HotHead
HotHead - 8/19/2010, 1:10 PM
all of you need to relise that were never going to be in control of these films and that hollywood is doing this for the better of the mainstrem audiences. if they were perfect adptations alot of them would probably suck dick!!!! so be carfull what you wish for!!!!
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