EDITORIAL: Humour And How It's Handled In Comic Book Movies

EDITORIAL: Humour And How It's Handled In Comic Book Movies

Humour is one of the most subjective things on this good Earth. Lately, it seems people just don't want it around, people seem to think a film, especially a comic book film, is silly if there's so much as an ounce of humour. Hit the jump to hear my thoughts on the topic.

Editorial Opinion
By NovaCorpsFan - Jul 13, 2014 08:07 PM EST
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Introduction

As I mentioned in the teaser, humour is subjective and people's sense of humour can vary massively from person to person. As of late, especially in comic book  films, people don't seem to accept humour as much as they used to. A lot of the time, people would watch a film hoping to get a bit of a laugh out of it, it brightens your day a little. Nowadays though, people seem to rejct humour and demand that there only be serious themes and tones throuhgout a comic book film with little to no signs of so much as an attempt to make you laugh. Some might argue that this is a good thing but the truth is, it really isn't. The ever-decreasing levels of humour in comic book films actually reflects us, comic book readers, as a fanbase. These films, no matter what company we're talking about, are primarily made as fan service as well as telling a broader story. So, if the film is tailor-made to make us as a fanbase appreciate it more, then the film itself influences the perception people have of the die hard fans like us. Seeing as it's the main reason this is occurring, let's look at Chritopher Nolan's Batman trilogy as a kickoff point.

Where It All Began

Nolan's Batman films are held in astonishingly high regard by most comic book fans and general audiences alike. The films are truly exceptional and they served their purpose, they provided us with a gritty, realistic comic book film series that suited the character around which the story was centered. They had their humourous moments, not in high quantity as it would have ruined the tone, but nonetheless, humour was present. Before these films, most mainstream audiences had only seen comic book films that catered to a humourous character like Spider-Man, or even the X-Men movies which contained quite a fair amount of humour. Never before had the masses of the general audience seen a serious comic book film. When Batman Begins rolled around, we received our first mainstream gritty comic book film. Batman is a character that doesn't require humour to tell his story. He's quite a dark character with plenty of troubles in his past and humour would have spoiled that if used excessively. This is where the script-writing and directing come into play. David Goyer's script portrayed this gritty and grounded world perfectly, and he has to be applauded for painting that picture. Christopher Nolan then took that and presented that picture to the masses, for which he is critically acclaimed by fans and actual critics alike. The influences the pair had on the comic book genre are far too vast to list, but not all of them were for the best. Especially in regards to humour. The film was so well-received that the fanbase decided they preferred their comic book films to be realistic, dark and gritty, but at this early stage, it wasn't too much of an issue. By the time The Dark Knight was released, the fanbase truly made up their minds. Humour almost became a no-go area due to how brilliant the film was, and how little humour was used. Again, Batman is a character that doesn't require humour to portray accurately and so it's easy to accept him in this dark and gritty world because that's what we get in the comics. But us, the fans, we found The Dark Knight so good we wanted all comic book films to aspire to its greatness. This was our first downfall.

True Grit

It seemed after Batman Begins that "gritty" was the word we wanted to hear from critics in regards to our comic book films. When Marvel Studios released Iron Man, it was met with rave reviews and was also a financial success to boot. The film had action, drama, explosions, hot chicks, emotional weight and on top of all those other things, they found time to make us laugh. Iron Man is a character that can have humour used in his story as the character himself is quite the wisecracker. The Incredible Hulk, a film most consider to be quite underrated, had humour and also managed to balance out the drama and the action. Again, the Hulk is a character that can have humour used in his movies because he doesn't need to be dark and gritty, he's a giant green monster for Christ's sake! Why is it then, that a character like Superman gets pegged into this dark, realistc and gritty world? Superman is a bright character, heavy-laden with symbolism and messages pertaining to honour, patriotism, kindness and well-being. He's no Batman. He could do with a git of light-heartedness in his movies, as the original two proved rather well! Zack Snyder came along to direct Man of Steel and fan's got pretty excited. He was the guy who adapted Watchmen almost perfectly from book to screen! He was the guy who made that awesome movie 300 that was so far out and massive, yet believable! David Goyer's writing the script... It's gonna be dark, gritty and realistic apparently... WOOHOO, IT'S GONNA BE LIKE THE DARK KNIGHT! No. That's not how we should have reacted to that. Superman should be a much more light-hearted character than Batman and that's why the two of them have such a great character dynamic in the comics is because of their contrast with each other. Man of Steel came out and it was all grey and gloomy, yet they managed to portray Superman pretty well and there was humour where it was okay to use it but if there's anything  Man of Steel wasn't, it was light-hearted. The destruction, the doom and gloom, the fact that every shot seemed to be tinted grey, it didn't help the movie at all. Humour would have helped that film. It would have established Superman as much more of a light-hearted character and not only that, but it might have made the film just that little bit more watchable for the general audiences. But the fanbase went nuts for it because we got to see a gritty and dark Superman. Why? That goes against pretty much every aspect of the character. Nonetheless, I enjoyed Man of Steel for the most part and highly anticipate Dawn of Justice, but wouldn't it be great if there was this stark contrast between Batman and Superman, one being the light-hearted "Superman to the rescure" character, the other being the troubled and damaged character we all know Batman to be? Of course there are times when humour can get to be too much.

It's Complicated, Alright, It's Complicated

We received the movie Iron Man 3 last year and I think it's safe to say, we comic book fans hated every last minute of it. Why? Because the film's plot was sacrificed to humour. The film was peppered with gags and unnecassary moments of humour, and it was all at the expense of one of the most highly anticipated villains since Heath Ledger's Joker (oh no wait...). Iron Man 3 is the perfect example of how humour can ruin a film. The film we were expecting was a tale of retribution, conspiracy and terror. The tale we got was one straight out of an eighties Seagal movie. Iron Man 3 ended up feeling like a filler episode for a t.v. show rather than another standalone super hero venture. The humour was the film's primary downfall. It was handled incredibly poorly and was over-excessive in all the wrong places. It's a rule of storytelling that you don;t use humour in the climax of the story, especially if it's a showdown between the protagonist and the antagonist. The arrival and subsequent blunder of the Mark 42 armour was probably the moment I truly felt like the humour was the main reason I wasn't liking this film as much as I wanted to. It certainly had its moments and handled drama well at times, like the house destruction and the aeroplane sequence. That doesn't change the fact however, that the humour damaged this film by being handled incredibly poorly. The same goes for Thor: The Dark World. Again; humour during the climactic battle between the protagonist and antagonist, it ruins the tension and it just downright upsets the tone of things. There were unnecassary characters that were obviously only put in place as comic relief and there were scenes written as comic relief but still, the film was help up entirely by the relationship between Thor and Loki. The humour between those two was well-executed and well-written also, but the rest of the humour in the movie felt incredibly shoehorned and out of place. Just when we were all on a downer due to the bad implications of humour, a film came along and restored our faith.

But It's A Price I'm Willing To Pay

Captain America: The Winter Soldier truly was the return of the prodigal son. The film managed to balance every aspect perfectly. The tone remained consistent throughout. The characters all got developed significantly, perhaps with the exception of Winter Soldier. The action sequences were executed brilliantly. But best of all, the humour was handled well. Humour seems to be what makes or breaks a comic book film these days and I can't decide if that's a good or bad thing. Nevertheless, The Winter Solider restored the faith we originally had in Marvel Studios and it all came down to the fact that despite maintaining a cohesive plot, humour was handled well and wasn't over-excessive. All credit for this achievement has to go to the Russo Bros. In my opinion, people who can write comedy, proper comedy that makes you laugh because of words and not actions, are the best people you could have writing something. When you're at school writing essays you're told, "Write something emotional, it'll be more impactful to the reader. Making people laugh is one of the most difficult things in the world, so avoid trying to be funny." Allow me to explain, as someone who wants to spend the rest of his natural existence writing, why that is bullshit. Comedy, humour whatever you want to call it, like I said before, is subjective. If you're going to write something that you want to be funny, think about what would make you laugh and go with that. When you can do that as a writer, you can write damned near anything because if you can put your own sense of humour on paper, film or imagery, you're going to create a connection between yourself, the piece and the audience. That's exactly what the Russo Bros. did with The Winter Soldier. They took their sense of humour and imparted it into their film, made it their own and it certainly payed off in a big way because they knew their cutoff point, they knew where their humour would fit in the movie and where it wouldn't. Lessons can be learned from that film from many different dimensions.

Looking To The Future

With the highly anticipated Guardians of the Galaxy mere weeks away and people reporting the humour was well-balanced in the 17 minute preview, we must ask ourselves, has James Gunn done what the Russos did? Has he taken his sense of humour and imparted it into the film? Well, considering he was told his original draft "needs more James Gunn", by Avengers director Joss Whedon, I think it's safe to assume he has indeed done such a thing. It wouldn't be the first time either, his other movies are the exact same, there's a real sense that you're getting his sense of humour in there.
Will Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Justice follow suit? Will Goyer actually try to impart his own sense of humour into the highly anticipated sequel? Time will only tell, but given the fact the only two official images we've seen have been gloomy, we should probably prepare ourselves for the likelihood that the film will be just as lacking in humour as its predecessor. But who know, maybe they'll surprise us and give us the contrasting personalities of Batman and Superman like in the comics.
If the script writers all allowed their own sense of humour to be the humour they put into their scripts rather than trying to cater to the humour of other people, I think comic book films might just start to be the films they were before Nolan's Bat trilogy came along and made grit and darkness a necessity.

Conclusion

Just to sign off, these are all my personal opinions of things and I'd much prefer healthy discussion to an all out flame war so please, I'm begging you, keep the comments reasonable. I do hope humour becomes a much less taboo thing in future comic book films and I'm sure if we get the right writers and directors, it certainly will make a come back. If not, I'll probably give up on comic book films. If current trends continue with writers and directors, I can certainly see humour being  a trademark of the comic book film again and also being accepted by the fanbase. What do you make of humour in comic book films? Should screen writers try to start throwing off their inhibitions about humour and allow their own sense of it to show in their scripts? Be sure to let me know what you think in the comments section below!

THANKS FOR READING!


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Abary
Abary - 7/13/2014, 9:56 PM
Avengers/DOFP kind of subtle humor = Amazing

Iron Man 3 shit 'humor that isn't even remotely funny that distracts from how serious the film SHOULD have been = [frick] YOU ALL
EhMaybeSays
EhMaybeSays - 7/13/2014, 10:05 PM
"I like your coat"-Batman's humour should be dry like this. Superman doesn't need humour. The reason DC doesn't have humour is because few of them ever make jokes(and Goyer can't make good jokes). On the other hand humour is intrinsic for Marvel yet in many movies(read: all but Avengers and IM) the humour doesn't really work.
tonytony
tonytony - 7/13/2014, 10:59 PM
im sorry but marvel uses humour so you judge the movies on what they are trying to be not what they are. Also Cap2 is the least humourous marvel movie and its propably why its the best one. It didnt need humour to mask its not a great film
Braveandthebold
Braveandthebold - 7/14/2014, 12:00 AM
"Ahh Batman Begins, People forget how fun that movie actually was. It's strange to see a Superman movie in MOS that's even less fun and more serious than Batman Begins.

There's lot's of moments of levity and humour that totally work in that movie yet MOS misses the mark in both of those areas. Strange times."

Well that's easy to explain, one was directed by Christopher Nolan and the other by a hack by the name of Zach Snyder.
Braveandthebold
Braveandthebold - 7/14/2014, 12:06 AM
What I think DC's cinematic universe needs is light heartedness, it's really what was wrong with MOS it was just a movie am not even sure how to explain what was wrong with it .... it was just something I didn't enjoy. Captain American 2 had plenty of humor but it was balanced in the way it was in the first Iron Man film, that and it was directed by two guys that understood the character and knew what tone to go with. Nolan's Batman films found their tone and style, while Snyder tried to shoehorn Nolan's Batman into MOS that and other things just made it a bad film, Snyder/Goyer also don't understand Superman so not much you could expect from MOS .... I think MOS is just soulless.
Braveandthebold
Braveandthebold - 7/14/2014, 12:11 AM
"Superman doesn't need humour. The reason DC doesn't have humour is because few of them ever make jokes"

You need to read more comics, they all joke around and make fun of each other. Green Arrow makes fun of Batman's brooding, and so does Superman. Hal makes fun of Green Arrow's trick arrows. Hawkman punches Green Arrow and Green Arrow sticks a arrow up hi ass and they laugh it off. Superman makes fun of Batman's pest problem etc.
Braveandthebold
Braveandthebold - 7/14/2014, 12:47 AM
Captain America 2 is what I thought Man of Steel was going to be, serious take one on the character and his cast while staying true to the heroes core and personality. MOS didn't do that, I felt they were apologetic about Superman (boy scout image,similar to Cap) and tried to change him and make him "cool", well am sorry giving him a beer and trahing an assholes truck wasn't it. I love Captain America:Winter Soilder because not only was it a fantastic movie and surely a classic and one of the best comic book movies ever(second in my book)but it embraced Captain America and is personality hell they even ditched the "darker" "sleeker" costume for the old one and Cap remained the the hero with his morality and did the right thing, unlike MOS who even had Superman steal yet Cap didn't steal he "barrowed" a truck to save the world and turned it, shit even Batman refused to steal and he didn't .... yet Supes steals a man's clothes and boots ? why ? we all know he doesn't feel cold, it's the same reason they gave him the "beer". At this point am just ranting ... so ..

Great Article, could use some editing to shorten it but you get my thumbs up.
gamecreatorjj
gamecreatorjj - 7/14/2014, 2:13 AM
@Maxi I dont know if you did that on purpose
NovaCorpsFan
NovaCorpsFan - 7/14/2014, 3:26 AM
@nailbiter
Wrote this at two in the morning,finished it by nearly four a.m. I just didn't have the brain capacity to come up with anything better.
NeoBaggins
NeoBaggins - 7/14/2014, 3:43 AM
I do all my stuff at work too lol If they checked my desk top they'd find folders of cbm pics and word docs with movie reviews and articles.

[frick]'em
WinterSoldier33
WinterSoldier33 - 7/14/2014, 3:46 AM
it actually began with X2

I don't mind humor in CBM but when there is to much like iron man 3 and not funny like iron man 3 then i don't like it
kong
kong - 7/14/2014, 4:22 AM
I think it's all about placement of the humor and how you market your movie. I know that IM3 looked like the darkest MCU film we had ever had, at that point in the universe, and I was excited for a darker tone with a more challenging threatening villain. That being said I still expected the humor that comes with Tony Stark. It was marketed as something it wasn't so that makes the humor seem even more prominent even though it's not.

The other part, that I think Thor 2 and Iron Man 3 suffered from, was where to put humor. Some great moments were ruined by dumb jokes that fell flat. I believe that if Thor didn't try to be dark, and put some more humor in their trailers and clips it'd be more well received and if they removed some jokes in certain places it would be better as a whole.

GOTG has advertised itself as basically an action/comedy. Not only do I think this is the perfect way to go with this specific franchise, but if they advertised it with a lot of serious dialogue, not too many jokes, a lot more action, and the color scheme was darker, we'd think this was closer to Star Trek Into Darkness vs Spaceballs (not saying it would have the same amount of humor as spaceballs).
DrKinsolving
DrKinsolving - 7/14/2014, 4:26 AM
Great Article. I don't mind the humor as long as it fits with the tone of the movie. Iron Man 3 would have been fine aside from the Mandarin twist and Pepper saving the day, the PTSD was a bit of a stretch too. It was a Shane Black movie not really an Iron Man movie. I hope they sum it up in Avengers: AOU.
kinghulk
kinghulk - 7/14/2014, 4:32 AM
i remember before iron man 3 was released everyone was complaining about the lack of humour in the trailers so much so kevin feige actually had to reassure every one that there was humor in the film.

funnily enough i just finished watching iron man 3 and it is a good film despite some of it's flaws.
MightyZeus
MightyZeus - 7/14/2014, 5:05 AM
I do enjoy humor in comic book films. Even TDK trilogy does has some subtle hints of humor in it. The kind of humor i don't enjoy is when it's not cleverly written or basically it's just a person spouting out random words where it's cringe inducing and your questioning yourself as to why this is happening!!! eg. Darcy from Thor & Thor The Dark World. If it's lazy humor then basically i won't like it and i won't enjoy the film.

As long as humor does not cloud the film entirely and the story comes first. With GOTG there is humor in the comic books, so i don't mind the fact that the film could be funny and entertaining. Basically the trailers of GOTG have sold the film to me.

On the basis of unintentional humor associated with a comic book film where it's so bad eg. dialogue, scenery, characterisation, plot then that's a problem. An example of unintentional humor would be the film TASM 2.

I'm just the sort of guy that loves variety instead of the same thing over and over and over again where it get's to the point of brain inducing trauma. I'm looking at you Transformers franchise.
MightyZeus
MightyZeus - 7/14/2014, 5:09 AM
Oh yeah, i don't mind that Man of Steel basically had little to no humor in it. I'm cool with it and all. I mean before going in to watch Man of Steel and judging by the trailer's we all knew we where going to get a serious interpretation of Superman which i was fine with and Zack Snyder delivered a great reboot to Superman.

Never did i think before watching Man of Steel did i think to myself "i can't wait to see what jokes and humor is going to be in the film."

If DC/WB's started copying Marvel's formula then there would be no variety.
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