Is Source Material REALLY being ignored more than it once was?

Is Source Material REALLY being ignored more than it once was?

We frequently complain about changes to the original material, but Hollywood's track record indicates that film-makers are actually getting better about this.

Editorial Opinion
By kerry67 - Jan 22, 2011 02:01 PM EST
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I see it in the comments section of articles posted on this site almost daily: fans are furious with the liberties being taken with the characters and stories that they love. Differences in characterization, story arcs, and costumes are all recipients of a barrage of criticism from loyal, lifelong fans of the source material. And, with good reason. The characters in the comic books we all love represent the sweat and toil of hundreds of creators and editors, writers, artists letterers and colorists. To see their vision corrupted seems insulting to these talented people. But it goes deeper for us. We have many years and sometimes thousands of dollars invested in these characters. We've come to know them as well as we know our closest friends, or even family members. Our emotional investment is even greater than our financial one. Time after time, we watch as Hollywood bowdlerizes our heroes. They have, in essence, spat upon our icons.

It is clear that the reason some of these characters have been with us for decades is that the characters and the stories were well conceived, well written concepts, and to deviate from what has been written in stone, or at least in a four-color printing process, would remove what made these characters and stories special to us. Hollywood is clearly trying. Superman is not Superman without the Kryptonian origin, the Smallville upbringing, or his interpersonal relationships, and, so far, no one has really tried to mess around with this formula. Where they get into trouble is in trying to take what they see as a product for a niche market (us!) and turn it into something palatable for the mass market consumer. This is complete folly. A good story is a good story, regardless of genre, and if you create a quality film and let people know it's out there, they will go and see it.

But is Hollywood really getting worse about this? I've been watching a great many old movies lately, and many of the films which are today deemed classics are, in fact, adaptations of existing works. The first that springs to mind is the 1931 Dracula, starring Bela Lugosi in the title role. Leaving aside, for the moment, some of the film's flaws as a piece of cinema, it completely fails as an adaptation. Characters are transposed, combined, or omitted, and the final two thirds bear no resemblance at all to the Stoker novel. Were it not for the first act, set in Transylvania, it would be completely unrecognizable as Dracula.

Another example is 1934's The Black Cat, "suggested" by the Edgar Alan Poe short story. As anyone who has read the story knows, the titular feline is the harbinger of madness and death for the murderous narrator. In this "adaptation," the cat is reduced to scenery, appearing a handful of times without consequence or relation to the narrative. The entire screenplay, it seems, was spun out of whole cloth, without any reference to the Poe original at all. To get some idea of how separate from the story this film is, think of "The Lawnmower Man."(1992.)

In the current era, we have had "The Lord of the Rings" trilogy brought to life on screen. We have seen "Spider-Man" swinging through New York in ways that, as a child I thought would be impossible to create in a live-action film. We have seen the "X-Men" battle Magneto's Brotherhood on Liberty Island. Certainly, changes were made, and debate about those changes continues to this day,(I STILL read of people bemoaning the absence of Tom Bombadil in "The Fellowship of the Ring.") But at least they are trying. No film adaptation of our heroes will please everyone, but it is clear that efforts are being made far above and beyond what has gone before.

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spiderman620
spiderman620 - 1/22/2011, 3:49 PM
very well thought out and written, also very interesting.
yes you have a point characters do get re-done when new writers, artist, and so on come on board. but its usually done as a continuation of the story and not necessarily a "reboot", take Amazing Spider-Man for instance. they wanted to get rid of Peter and MJ's marriage so they came up with "One More Day" witch would save Aunt Mays life, Peter wouldn't be in the public eye as the man behind the mask, but Pete's and MJ's marriage never happened. so in a way it was rebooted but at the same time it wasn't. the problem with the movies is that the companies who own the movie rights Sony, Fox, and so on decided "well were gonna do it this way, we will change the look of the character but hey will still call it Spider-Man, they fans wont mind that" well there wrong because we do mind, and it just seems to me like they don't care as long as they make there money. look at the success of Iron Man, The Incredible Hulk, and Iron Man 2. the reason they've been so successful is because they bring a new story but at the same time stay very close to the source material. part of that is because Marvel themselves have the rights and care about what the fans think. we all love certain story arcs, but one thing stays constant and that is the look and feel of the characters themselves.
spiderman620
spiderman620 - 1/22/2011, 3:51 PM
and they also look accurate and real at the same time (i:e TIH)
Denn1s
Denn1s - 1/22/2011, 4:20 PM
i actually think that source material is being taken more seriously over the time, not getting ignored. except when it comes to fox of course...
AC1
AC1 - 1/22/2011, 4:45 PM
i also think the source material is being more respected now than it was back in the early 2000s, i mean raimis first 2 spiderman movies were good, but when did goblin wear a power rangers costume? when in the comics was it said that Doc Ock was only evil because of a chip in his arms being missing?
Like Denn1s said, Fox has been working in reverse, X Men and X2 were quite faithful and good movies, but X3 basically destroyed Fox's cbm rep, the F4 series was camp as hell, Although I thought Daredevil was good it could have been a lot better.
As for XMen Origins Wolverine, that was a good story but many of the characters were completely mishandled.

Please check out my fan fic on how X Men Origins Wolverine could be improved

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/ACira/news/?a=28522
superotherside
superotherside - 1/22/2011, 4:53 PM
agree dude... still they could have done better with the new spidey suit... not saying it's terrible... but it could be better...
kerry67
kerry67 - 1/22/2011, 4:58 PM
Thank you all for the kind words. This was my first foray into creating something on this site, and it is nice to hear feedback.
kerry67
kerry67 - 1/22/2011, 5:10 PM
@Spiderman-I wasn't trying to make excuses for the studios' mismanagement of the characters, really. I think Fox and Sony's mistake is that they still underestimate the comic fans' market share. There are more of us than they think. Additionally, we're the types who will see a movie in the theater multiple times, just to make sure we didn't miss something. At ten bucks a pop, we've put a bunch of their kids through college. However, Marvel's launch of their own film division is still relatively new, and would not have been possible without the success of the Spider-Man and X-Men films.
CaptainAmerica
CaptainAmerica - 1/22/2011, 5:15 PM
inb4 Intruder comes in here with his PMSing asshole.
LEEE777
LEEE777 - 1/22/2011, 6:51 PM
You kinda miss the point...

We expect better these days... long are the days of Batman&Robin!

After movies like WATCHMEN, KICK ASS, IRON MAN, SIN CITY etc, we don't want crap no more!
LEEE777
LEEE777 - 1/22/2011, 6:52 PM
LOTRS is a masterpiece because it was true to the characters!
vermillion
vermillion - 1/22/2011, 7:01 PM
Well, I don't think we have gotten a CBM as bad as Batman & Robin recently. :P So they are improving if you always compare it to that. xP (If we have list it)
Dusk
Dusk - 1/22/2011, 8:47 PM
@KERRY67- Great article man! It is hard to please everyone. I believe that they should try to keep things as close to the source material as possible while making it translate on screen well.
DoodPool
DoodPool - 1/22/2011, 10:01 PM
Theres more comic book movies in general so theres bound to be better ones out there. Theres just as many shitty ones tho.

Marvel takes good care of its properties, Nolan and raimi did great jobs as well. It all has to do with the production companies and the directors/writers behind them and if they want to make the best movie they can, or just throw out anything and make money off the name *cough* x men *cough* ghost rider.
Mrwriter1701
Mrwriter1701 - 1/23/2011, 12:54 AM
Just so you know it, the original Dracula movie from 1931 is an adaptation of a stage play (in which Bela Lugosi also starred, in fact the beginning of his career outside of Rumania) and to this play, the film is 100 percent true. It is, in fact, simply a filmed version of the play.
MaddMonkk
MaddMonkk - 1/23/2011, 4:16 AM
Studios change a lot of things because they want a version that is updated and will make money. Stan Lee himself told Kevin Smith in an interview, that the creators back in the early days we're slapping out anything they could,at first. The double letter names (Reed Richards,Peter Parker, Lois Lane,etc.) and similarities in origins of characters was all the result of The Greats rushing and pushing out comics. I love comics and I love the CBM's. If a movie is exactly like the comic, great! I'll watch it. If not, I'll watch it anyways (and like it.)((might not admit it though)). GREAT ARTICLE makes you think.
itzayaboy
itzayaboy - 1/23/2011, 6:59 AM
Good article
source matrial in superman returns, well lois lane married a non in comics perry whites nephew...popped out a baby and ignored big blue...and they casted a anerexioc actor to play supes...yup thats definately from the comics...wait bryan signer directed..NO FREAKING WONDER.
HugeCapfan
HugeCapfan - 1/23/2011, 7:28 AM
About source material: Check out that 70s movie Doc Savage, starring Ron Ewy. That movie was directed and written by the original creator of Doc Savage. Likewise a Tarzan movie back in the 40s written and directed by it's creator, Borough.

Both movies didn't do well on screen.
Then there's Sin City, whom even it's creator, Frank Millar had a hand in directing, ...it was successful because he worked with a director who knew how to make movies and tell a story on screen.
Only advice I can give: Work with the creator.
kerry67
kerry67 - 1/23/2011, 9:12 AM
Mrwriter1701 - Yeah, I was aware of the Balderston / Dean play. I recognize that using an existing play was probably the inexpensive way to go to make the Dracula film. I was simply using it as an example of a movie which drastically strayed from it's ORIGINAL source material. I suppose it was laziness on my part that caused me to use this example, as it was the first one that popped into my head when I was writing the piece. I could have used any one of a dozen other examples, I suppose, to make the point I was trying to make. But I believe my point is still valid.
LP4
LP4 - 1/23/2011, 9:19 AM
@zachman2013- THANK YOU!!! Someone finally brought it up! Superman Returns was THE BIGGEST DAMN DEPARTURE from the source material for a cbm EVER. It was also lame and boring as [frick]. Of course it WAS Bryan Singer...psh that asshole.

@Vermillion- I would say Superman Returns was WORSE than Batman and Robin. Sure Batman and Robin was cheesy as a [frick] but at least it was entertaining and Batman fought villains and AT LEAST it even HAD villains in it. Superman Returns didn't even have a real villain in it and wasn't entertaining at all.

Bryan Singer= WORST CBM director ever.
LP4
LP4 - 1/23/2011, 10:15 AM
@OSCURO- Thanks man!!! =)

Yeah, just too many problems with Singer's lame-duck film- Superman Returns.

Aside from being bored, there were just too many problems. Supes having a non-existent kid, Lois marrying a non-existent Richard White, Lex YET AGAIN being a lame land-grabber, Supes being a bastard-father/stalker, Supes never fought anyone- never threw a SINGLE PUNCH. The sad list goes on.

Bryan Singer admitted that he never read a single Superman comic in his life and it shows.

I would rank Singer as the worst CBM director. I rank him even below Ang Lee. AT LEAST Ang Lee only ruined one film- Hulk. But Singer ruined 3 in 2 separate franchises.

That is waaaaay worse.

Bryanferryfan
Bryanferryfan - 1/23/2011, 10:49 AM
Watchmen was probably the closest to the source material. With that being said, Hollywood should really listen to the fans. Don't worry if the masses don't get it. It's not hard to follow these characters and story arcs. Damn!
itzayaboy
itzayaboy - 1/23/2011, 1:18 PM
Bryan Singer should stick with non comic book action movies OR make a superhero that doesnt exist in comics like Hancock in 2008...i enjoyed that film.i swear to god if he EVER tries to do batman after nolan...oooh that would suck. bat nipples:the reboot direced by-bryan singer based on the film by joel shumacher
australiancomicbookmoviefan
australiancomicbookmoviefan - 1/23/2011, 4:17 PM
A great article, no doubt, and I totally get the angle the OP is making.

Having said that, even for a relative new comer like me, most of what we have had has been a massive departure of the "cannon" of our favourite heroes, to get a sense and feel of where these character have come from, i have spent copious amount of time reading articles and books about the origins of these characters, and well for the most part its gone completely astray.

I used to be one who would say its on film, be happy, but now I expect more, because I have been shown with a bit of due care we can have movies that sticks to the source a lot more.

People have said on forums and to me perosnally the wider audience won't get it...This is B.S. the fact is if you put that original story with the right characters, and the proper characterisations on screen people will still go see it, these idiots will watch anything, believe me.

We deserve a statuesque model MJ, a hard nosed hard as nails wolvie (the character has now become something of a vehicle for Jackman, I wish Dougray Scott got this role, wouldn't have been pissed upon, and used), a forthright leading-man Cyclops, Superman fighting an actual villain from his cannon instead being beaten down by a some mortal thugs just because he has been stabbed with Kryptonite. (The saddest part of that was Kumar, and a washed up idiot rugby player were two of those thugs.)
Knightstalker
Knightstalker - 1/23/2011, 6:50 PM
Leaving Tom Bombadil out of LOTR was a good decision by Peter Jackson. It would have taken away from the whole story. The only problem I ever had with that was the way the hobbits got their swords from Aragorn. In the book, Bombadil gave them the swords and they were designed to kill nazgul. in the movie, they were just props.
AdamMichaels
AdamMichaels - 1/23/2011, 7:17 PM
When I watch a comic book character being translated into film, I want the creators of the film to respect the work they're basing their film on. But in no way do I want them to directly adapt a comic book story arc into film.

I look at Nolan's Batman and Favreau's Iron Man, as well as Leterrier's Hulk. I see those as prime examples of creators respecting the existing material and taking it in their own direction. But throughout the movie, they remain true to what we've known and loved about these superheroes and their supporting characters.

I just want a respectable and good story. Sure, I'd like to see Tony Stark delve into alcoholism, but I don't want a direct adaptation of Demon In a Bottle. If I want that story, I'll read the comic. You can't handcuff your director, writers, and actors when adapting a book or comic by forcing them to follow the source material to the letter. You remove any creativity they have and you hired them for.

Not to mention, they might come up with something real cool that allows them to pull it off on film, whereas it wouldn't have the same impact in a panel inside a comic.

I say source material is essential to any adaptation. But to follow it every step of the way is a mistake.
kerry67
kerry67 - 1/23/2011, 8:15 PM
@Knightstalker- The only thing about Bombadil's absence from LOTR for me was that it made the "Fog on the Barrow Downs" chapter impossible to create. That was one of the coolest, creepiest scenes in the books, but Bombadil was tied into the scene far too much. But could you imagine the stone megaliths and the Barrow Wight translated to the screen in that film? Ah, well.
davidcub
davidcub - 1/23/2011, 8:24 PM
Nice article. Look at what they are doing to Wonder Woman. As someone who loves the character, how do you think it makes me feel to know that she's going to be a vigilante superhero/corporate executive in the new tv show? That is such a travesty as far as I'm concerned!
comicb00kguy
comicb00kguy - 1/24/2011, 6:42 AM
I for one don't mind the idea of "tweaking" an established story to improve narrative flow or to update an obsolete or chronologically impossible element or two. Examples would include changing the spider that bit Parker to a genetically-modified one instead of radioactive, which just doesn't carry the dramatic weight it did in the '60s, changing how Uncle Ben dies (the whole thing with the burglar always did seem a bit contrived to me, honestly), or changing service dates for characters with military backgrounds. You put Tony Stark in Vietnam today, as he was when he was created, and he's near retirement age today.

Things like this may not be true to the original source material, but they don't hurt or change the story. It's like omitting Tom Bombadil. I would have enjoyed that, but it wasn't absolutely necessary to the story, and it would have distracted narrative flow. Now, not doing the Scouring of the Shire was a far bigger mistake. That whole part showed us just how the hobbits had been changed by their journey and by the events they had witnessed and taken part in. THAT changed the story, and it's changing the story that I don't like. Just like changing the ending of the Watchmen, which completely made many scenes irrelevant and changed the entire point of the story. THOSE kind of wholesale changes are what many of us here object to.

Sorrry to be a bit long-winded, but thanks for an interesting and thought-provoking editorial.
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