Should Reboot = Recast?

Should Reboot = Recast?

With so much talk of Reboots, does a Reboot always equal Recast? I say "Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater!"

Editorial Opinion
By Bohemiben - Nov 18, 2009 10:11 AM EST
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I have asked myself this question numerous times, "Does Rebooting a Franchise always mean Rebooting the cast?" Truthfully I am somewhat torn on this issue. On one hand, a reboot may be in order due to a terrible story coupled with terrible actors. On the other hand, it may just be the story that's terrible and the actors are doing their best with what they are given. The problem with rebooting is that if they want to make something fresh and new, usually this means scrapping everything (actors included) and starting over. However, I believe that this is not always the best way to do it.

For example, I did not like Superman Returns, at all, but I did enjoy Brandon Routh as Superman/Clark Kent. Some may argue he was just doing his best Christopher Reeves impersonation, but due to what the director was trying to accomplish with that film I believe that this is exactly what was asked of him. I do believe that the next Superman should be a reboot, but keep Brandon Routh (I could do without Kate Bosworth who was terrible as Lois).



I can also understand the problems that the idea of a Reboot without a Recast may cause for the average movie goer (which I will refer to as AMG from here forward for brevity's sake). IMO this group does not include the Fanboys/girls, who take time out to go on CBM or other similar fansites to keep up on what is happening with the development of the films. We would be well informed that it is a reboot and their would be no confusion as to why some of the actors have been replaced and others not, and why the new film has absolutely nothing to do with the previous. We could accept that and enjoy the new film for what it is, but for the AMG they would view the new film as a sequel and not understand how it doesn't connect to the previous film. For this the film may suffer sales-wise no matter how good it is. I believe that this is the reason most studios equate a reboot with a recast as well.

Now there are exceptions I know. For example, for the info that we have thus far on the Deadpool movie it will be a reboot, but Ryan Reynolds will return to the role. I think this works as Deadpool is not as popular to the AMG as it is to us Fanboys/girls. So the studio may have figured that it is an okay risk for them to take (then again it's FOX so I may be giving them too much credit). Personally I'm glad they stuck with Ryan Reynolds in the role.

To be clear I want to stress that I am addressing Recasting for Rebooted films, not as is the case in sequels that recast (IM2 - Rhodey). THAT I find annoying, but understand the neccessity sometimes, because actors can be divas, studio execs can be penny pinchers or clueless, or the actors just plain suck and should be recast (though we aren't always so lucky....I'm looking at you Kirsten Dunst).

There are plenty of examples of CBMs that I believe should have the Reboot treatment, but I like all/some of the actors in the original version. Here's just a list of a few of my preferences of Movies that should be Rebooted, but the actors that should be kept for the reboot.

1. Superman Returns - Brandon Routh, Kevin Spacey
2. Fantastic Four - Chris Evans, Michael Chiklis
3. X-Men Franchise - Patrick Stewart, Hugh Jackman, Sir Ian McKellan



If you read this entire post without getting bored, Thanks. Basically my point is if I had it my way, a Reboot would not automatically equal a Recast. I do support partial Recast if necessary, but keep the actors that did justice to the roles they were given and allow them to the opportunity to further explore those characters. Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater!



So if you would indulge me, I would like to know your thoughts on the following:

1. Do you think Reboot should always equal complete Recast?
2. What movies would you want to see rebooted with all/partial cast returning to the reboot?
3. How many years should pass before a reboot is attempted?
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GreenLantern416
GreenLantern416 - 11/18/2009, 10:59 AM
I think the key to a reboot is changing the director. That changes the style, writing, effects, etc. from the top down. but I think recasts are a good thing because you get the opportunity to use cheaper actors (if studios are smart enough to) and I don't think there's 1 actor who is so perfect for the role that no other actor in the entire world could fill those shoes. for example, I like Chris Evans as the Torch, but I'm sure there's a thousand no-name actors who are just as perfect for the job.

Routh did a fine job at being the Chris Reeves era of Superman, but that era is long over and the comic book superman isn't very much like Reeves Superman. For that reason, I say recast the man of steel.
cavemanoo
cavemanoo - 11/18/2009, 11:12 AM
This is my first real comment post on CBM, so Hi guys! lol.

I agree, not alway should reboot mean recast, not only for the fact that some of the actors may be really good, but like you said the movie stunk. You could confused the AMV...for example, Hulk...IMO Eric Bana did the best with what he had to work with, yes Ed Norton was better but I believe Mr Bana would have done just as good of job in the reboot.

As to confusing AMV, most people probably and still think that the newest Hulk movie was a sequal, just with different actors. They dont know that its a reboot, so why not let the actors from the first movie be in the new one?

But thats my view, sometimes the AMV is not going to know, so why should a reboot hurt a good actor from a second chance.

I know your asking for which movies do we want to see rebooted, I can only think of movies/characters I DON'T want rebooted

1. Goonies
2. Indiana Jones - I want to punch Shia in mouth for that last movie.

Thats all I can think, Thinking of that last Indiana Jones movie makes me mad lol


cavemanoo
cavemanoo - 11/18/2009, 11:17 AM
but like you said the movie stunk.

Re-reading what I meant to say, was like you said sometimes the scripts stink.
1chris2
1chris2 - 11/18/2009, 1:10 PM
i think if you are going to remake then you need to change cast.as for rebooting wich is kinda like a jump start then it all depends. the superman films can change loise but unless they plan to remake they should keep brandon routhe. as for fantastic four i myself would like to see a whole new take remake it.i did not like reeds or sue.but the cast in x-men were all in my opinion great cast.spiderman's tobey does a great job but mary jane was not mary jane sorry kirsten but mary jane was super hot.i think what they have been doing with comic book movies lately like spiderman3,x-men 3,transformers 2 and some other films like resident evil is they add to much action and it hurts the story. they should sit down think out the story and add in the emotions and action and blend it together.also the cgi ,and practical effects should be blended.
MarkCassidy
MarkCassidy - 11/18/2009, 4:54 PM
Welcome Cavemanoo..Tea, don't start up that Hulk thing again, everyone knows it was a requel:)

Awesome article Bohemiben, I agree wholeheartedly. Routh did a great job I thought..and I actually like the movie all round really, although a reboot with a new director, more action and no kid, new Lois, would be cool. I would actually bring more back from the X movies too. Alan Cumming, James Marsten(just give him more to do) Kelsey Grammar..
Dmon
Dmon - 11/18/2009, 5:25 PM
OMG Did hell freeze over Rorschach said he wanted to see more Cyclops. lol
MarkCassidy
MarkCassidy - 11/18/2009, 5:32 PM
haha, Im not Cycs biggest fan but I thought Marsden did a decent job, he just didn't have enough to work with. Lets face it, he had [frick] all to do!

Tea, he is very confused, because I have heard him say the words "The Incredible Hulk is a requel". Maybe when the people that wished Ang Lee's Hulk never existed started to piss and moan he changed his tune..but he wont piss down my back and tell me its raining! If you want to completely distance your movie from its predecessor you don't set it after the events of said movie and begin it where the last one ended..and that is that!
Dmon
Dmon - 11/18/2009, 5:34 PM
Hush@ I think Erica Durance and Noel Neill where the best Lois Lane's. I always thought of Margot Kidder as an example of some bad ad to get people to stop smoking with her gaunt face and raspy voice. lol
Dmon
Dmon - 11/18/2009, 5:46 PM
@Ror unlike you I like Cyclops and think there are great stories that involve him. I like Marsden and admit they never gave him much to do. But felt he kind of over acted a little but I think unless you are a truly great actor it is hard to convey emotion with too little lines and a visor covering most of your face. Some of those facial expressions he made caused me to roll my eyes and grinch at times. Though most super heroes wear masks so I dont know if that is a good excuse. lol
mgalusick
mgalusick - 11/18/2009, 5:55 PM
If you reboot you shoudl recast. It's the only way to make sure that the audience knows it's a new universe.

Sure Superman Returns was bad (I didn't hate it though). It didn't set anything up that can't be ignored in future movies. Sure Superman has a son who has powers but we could just have that be a minor part of any future movies.
MarkCassidy
MarkCassidy - 11/18/2009, 5:58 PM
ha, yeah I did notice that. In X2 especially. But I had no problem with him in X1 really..and he was looking good in X£ playing the brooding potentially dangerous part..then they killed him!
HarrisonBergeron
HarrisonBergeron - 11/18/2009, 6:43 PM
As long as the overall style of the new movie is significantly different I think they should cast whoever is best for the part.

If Fox started over on X-Men and gave the movie the same style treatment that Ironman or Spiderman has then it wouldn't matter if the same folks played some of the characters, the two franchises would look totally different.

Just to be clear, I think the X-Men movies look cheap compared to the more successful CBMs, the sets and special effects look like what I would expect for a TV movie, and the wardrobes were totally lacking for the genre.
StephenStrange
StephenStrange - 11/18/2009, 6:59 PM
I just like the baby bathwater picture LMAO
jazzman
jazzman - 11/18/2009, 7:37 PM
if you do a reboot it makes sense to recast the actors. i understand why people like Brandon Routh its because he looks like Christopher Reeve. when i saw Brandon Routh casted as Superman i thought did Christopher Reeve have a love child or something. Superman Returns would of worked well back in the days in the 70s but this day of age if you make a superhero movie you need a supervillain to match that hero.
MarkCassidy
MarkCassidy - 11/18/2009, 7:42 PM
A lot of people say that Routh seemed dry or flat..I din't get that from him at all. He was playing Superman! He's not exactly the most animated of characters. He could even be considered a bit one note at times. He didn't come across as flat to me, simply calm, collected. Sure Supes does lose it in the comics too, but very rarely which is why its always a shock. Routh would have benefited greatly from a scene allowing him to do that.
cyclopstb
cyclopstb - 11/18/2009, 7:57 PM
NO reboots and recast for X-Men, Superman and Fantastic Four!

I want sequels for X-Men The Last Stand(with Cyclops Alive) and Superman Returns(I want to see Superman have revenge on Lex Luther)with the same cast.

Please no more reboots ideas. It's been driving me crazy for almost two years and I'm so not ready for it.
StephenStrange
StephenStrange - 11/18/2009, 8:11 PM
I liked Routh too
bigdogg263
bigdogg263 - 11/18/2009, 10:22 PM
1. Do you think Reboot should always equal complete Recast? NO

2. What movies would you want to see rebooted with all/partial cast returning to the reboot? Spawn live action. maybe not as a movie but a HBO reboot. leave the clown out. was Michael j White all that bad? I would like to see more orgin x-men movies. rogue, storm, gambit,

3. How many years should pass before a reboot is attempted? a solid 7 years befor a script is written
Jordacar
Jordacar - 11/18/2009, 10:40 PM
This may seem contradictory, but this is how I feel: I want a whole new cast for the next FF movie, but I would love to see Routh come back and play Superman. Even I'm still not sure how I can make such a distinction. I think that 'Superman Returns' was far better than either FF movie, so that reboot wouldn't be as hard as the FF reboot, I expect. Also Routh never really got the chance to make the role his own, (he was, as you say, just doing his best Chris Reeve imitation), so to me, it seems like kind of a waste to go find some other fresh face when there's already a guy primed and ready for round 2.
breakUbatman
breakUbatman - 11/19/2009, 12:07 AM
Although I liked Brandon Routh they could find an actor that looks like Superman not Reeves. A reboot with the best cast could work fine. I dont think the average movie goer would be confused after isnt that what happenned with Casino Royale and M.

I dont think Chris Evans was bad in FF1, or Farrel in Daredevil. With regards to the Hulk movies I dont buy that requel nonsense. The only continuity was Brazil, lets face it it was a reboot unless you are a fan of Highlander continuity
HarrisonBergeron
HarrisonBergeron - 11/19/2009, 12:16 AM
How can you not reboot X-Men AND have Cyclops alive?

If Routh can be Superman after a reboot, then Welling can be Superman after a reboot. If Routh's poor performance can be dismissed due to bad writing, then Welling's poor performances can be dismissed due to bad writing.

Mark Valley would have made a great Captain America, 5-10 years ago. He has started to show age and that just wouldn't do an origin justice. I wouldn't complain if he were somehow cast, he is the only actor I've seen whose face just invokes the all American hero vibe, but I think there has to be a better option out there.
sevin1981
sevin1981 - 11/19/2009, 2:03 AM
I enjoyed Superman Returns for what it was the true Superman 3, and i would like to see them continue in that universe, just recast lois and sort of put superboy under the rug and forget that story line, but please no more Lex luther as the main threat, maybe as a side story or something, but superman is ready to face off with someone big now, someone he can really let loose on, like Darkseid, or Doomsday. And if there is a reboot they might as well and do it the right way and recast everyone and make it completly fresh, but i would much prefer just a coninuation so we can get into some better stories without having to explain his origins once again. As for the fantastic four, just start over from scratch and get a decent writer. No reboot for Xmen just bring cyclops back, its not exactly set in a realistic universe and besides we never actually saw him die, get another actor for gambit and finally get him going the right way, and fix rogues character, and maybe some other tweaks but those are a good starting point
lexkal66
lexkal66 - 11/19/2009, 4:45 AM
Well the only problem with reboots is how many origin stories do we need to see? I actually like the way they did the second hulk. show clips of the origin in the title sequence and move on.
I am a huge superman fan i really dont need to see a half hour of a new movie wasted on krypton blowing up and him growing up. I did like routh in "Returns". I did like it, however, the kid has to go and so does bosworth as lois lane. she just didnt look the part at all. Also I like Lex Luthor portrayed more as an evil business man then all these real estate scams he tries to pull and he needs to be a secondary character. i agree with the posters above we need to see superman just unleash himself on some super villains already.
I didnt mind the FF movies although I would recast the invisible woman, Reed and Dr. Doom.
overall i agree with most of the posts that these movies need directors and writers who are committed to the material. Iron Man is the perfect example of that. Get someone who loves the character and we will have a better product out there.
lc
lc - 11/19/2009, 8:37 AM
goddamn my man lol.
ello tea ;)
MisterFixit
MisterFixit - 11/19/2009, 9:03 AM
There are universally known characters from past movies/tv shows. For hulk and superman really isn't needed to explain their origin again. It worked for IH and will work for superman
thatiscrazy
thatiscrazy - 11/19/2009, 9:34 AM
(IMO)
BEST CASTING FOR COMIC BOOK MOVIE

Robert downy Jr / tony starks
Wesly Shipes / Blade
Patrick Stewart / Prfessor X
Ryan Renolds / Dead pool
Ray Stevenson / Frank Castle
Chris Evans / Johnny Storm
Doug Jone&Laurence Fishburnes / The Silver Surfer
Willem Dafoe ... Green Goblin / Norman Osborn
James Franco / Harry Osborn
Rosemary Harris / May Parker
Thomas Haden Church / Sandman
J.K. Simmons / J. Jonah Jameson
Katie Stuart / Kitty Pryde
Kelly Hu / Deathstrike
Shawn Ashmore / Iceman
Daniel Cudmore / Colossus
Michael Rosenbaum / Lex Luthor (smallville)
Jennifer Connelly / Betty Ross
Sam Elliott / Ross
Edward Norton / Bruce Banner
Michelle Pfeiffer / Catwoman

(And now to piss off the fan boys)
WORST CASTING FOR COMIC BOOK MOVIE

Hugh Jackman aka Patrick Dempsey as Wolverine (WORST CASTING EVER)
Ian McKellen / Magneto
Famke Janssen / Jean Grey
James Marsden-Scott / Cyclops
Halle Berry-Ororo Munroe / Storm
Anna Paquin / Rogue
Tyler Mane / Sabretooth
Ray Park/ Toad
Rebecca Romijn / Mystique
Vinnie Jones / Juggernaut
Kelsey Grammer / Beast
Terrance Howard / Jim Roads
Jennifer Garner/ Electra
Wes Bentley / Blackheart
Michael Chiklis / The Thing
Ioan Gruffudd / Mr. Fantastic
Jessica Alba / Susan Storm
Kirsten Dunst / Mary Jane Watson
Topher Grace / Venom
Eric Bana / Bruce Banner
Michael Jai White / Spawn
Ben Foster / Angel
And Any Batman Movie without Michael Keaton or Christian Bale
Pym
Pym - 11/19/2009, 9:50 AM
Routh sucked and kevin spacey was absolutely embarrassing. I actually enjoyed who they picked for Mr. Fantastic, but I suppose it's because I enjoy the character anyway.
MIDAS
MIDAS - 11/19/2009, 11:16 AM
@thatiscrazy

WOW! That was harsh. I seriously do not agree with a lot of you choices, but that's your opinion. And I'm glad you're not a movie exec.
Ship
Ship - 11/19/2009, 11:24 AM
wharever but Routh is our days SUPERMAN, liked or not, and let's him prove if he got the material, i mean, right now he is the only actor in our pocket that really fit in the role, cut the welling crap, welling is just a emo Clark and not a superman, remember he never intented to be, so Routh even through Singer visión don't was an emo clark, well he was a kind of emo superman, but was Singer fricking visión, lets give the chance to Routh, let's see if he got the balls to land the caracter with another visión, maybe i'm wrong but i got the feeling that being a fan of superman, according to he's own word, he going to make it work, if u really see between the lines of superman return u'll see a true fan in Routh way. is just my opinion, sorry if it offensive to someone; and like most of u say routhboot.the ship has landed
Ryden
Ryden - 11/19/2009, 11:50 AM
No I think it should, if you're going to do a completley different story and essentially a different franchise you need to recast or it just gets weird. Like that's saying when they rebooted Batman they should have stuck to George Clooney instead of recasting him to do Batman Begins. Don't think so LOL nah reboots are sometimes nessasary, when theres very little to save the franchise like Hulk a reboot is needed or if it's been too long to get round to a sequel and the majority of cast and crew don't want to do another one like Superman Returns.
thatiscrazy
thatiscrazy - 11/19/2009, 12:07 PM
haha yeah Im not an exec. But Im working on it lol. And if you notice most of the ones that I thought sucked were Fox movies. I think Marvel does a pretty awsome job casting for their movies. Fox only casts who they think will bring in the most money. Marvel seems to cast the best person for the part. I also was a BIG fan of the old xmen cartoon on saturday mornings which ironically was on fox. The ones where wolverine wasn't the leader of the xmen. Yeah their stories weren't exactly like the books. But the personalities, voices and look kinda solidified these characters for me. and the x-men movies weren't terrible just seemed to be nothing like the characters that I grew up with. I just consider them and alternate reality version of the xmen. I understand that you cant always translate a comic/cartoon into a movie but its like they just delebritly tried to change as much as they could. They should have just called that movie hero squad or something because it wasn't the xmen. They spent all their money for Hally Berry instead of sentinals for crying out loud. Just poor choices (IMO)
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