Why I Think Marvel Should Slow It Down Just A Bit

Marvel and other select film companies have been turning out very enjoyable superhero movies for years now, garnering interest for our favorite characters outside the comics community, which is great. But if Marvel continues to turn out movies at their current rate, I believe interest is going to quickly decline.

Editorial Opinion
By CanIJustBeCyclops - Feb 09, 2014 06:02 PM EST
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Source: ScreenRant.com, BoxOfficeMojo.com

I love Marvel. So much actually that it's a little worrisome at times. My friends know me as the comic and Marvel nerd/enthusiast/connoisseur/cognoscenti (the last of which I have obviously never been called in real life but could not be more spot on if you'll allow me to toot my own horn). So, I should be nothing but excited for every single Marvel comics based film that is coming out in the next seven or so years, seeing as they supposedly have films planned through 2021. And yet, I am beginning to notice new emotions permeating the excitement that floods my brain every time a new movie is announced, namely wariness in the form of an unsettling pit in my stomach.

To be blunt, I think Marvel is getting too big for their britches. They have seen such unprecedented success with blockbusters like The Avengers and Iron Man; they are feeling invincible and believe their success is indefinitely guaranteed.

It all started with the announcement of Ant-Man. So many people are absolutely stoked to see this film, especially with the news that Paul Rudd is playing the lead, so what exactly is the problem? The problem is that nobody outside of the comics community even knows that this movie is happening. Sure, maybe this movie will finally bring the character the attention and glory he deserves as a founding Avenger in the original comics, though I know the film focuses on the second incarnation of Ant-man. This would be nothing but good, and yet the fact that Marvel is willing to make a live-action, full-length, fat-budgeted movie about a guy who can shrink, grow, and talk to ants (um, the coolest power ever...?) shows a lot about just how confident the chaps over at Marvel are feeling about their inability to produce flops and their plans to plow forward with more and more movies.

Ant-Man popping out of Hulk's nose.
You go Ant-Man!



The biggest problem that Marvel is going to have to face, however, is the continued saturation of the "people with superpowers" market, with much of the contributions being by Marvel themselves. It would have been unheard of 20 years ago for so many superhero movies and TV shows to not only be produced, but to become successful. Now that we have the technology to show Superman's incredible powers in a television show on the CW and give a beautifully computer-animated character awe-inspiring ice powers, it is being done so much that the idea of people with special powers or abilities cannot resonate with general audiences for that much longer. Just in the last few years, we have seen Alphas, Push, Kick-Ass (not super-powered, but the same concept applies here), My Super-Ex Girlfriend, Chronicle, Hancock, and many many more.

Poster for My Super Ex-Girlfriend.
Just...no. This had no redeeming qualities



There have always been experimental movie directors looking to explore the idea of super powers, but they were usually campy or poorly made. Then along came Bryan Singer and Sam Raimi who completely changed the game. But now, fourteen years later, how many more times can we expect general audiences to be interested in Joe Schmoe finding out/receiving/revealing that he has superpowers, being hated/feared/loved by those without powers, then saving the day and proving something to himself/his family/others.



With all the superhero movies in the works currently, Marvel has no plans to take a hiatus any time soon, yet I think that people are going to start getting sick of the idea as more and more blockbuster movies start to hop on the "people with superpowers" bandwagon, trying to make a guaranteed buck from the current craze.

Think of it like a bell curve, which has many applications to many naturally occurring scientific, psychological, and economic events.

Bell Curve.
Just your run-of-the-mill bell curve.


The y-axis is the number of "people with superpowers" movies and TV shows. The x-axis is the level of interest in said movies and TV shows. The quality of special effects and a few other factors have increased the number of these being produced and interest is ever-increasing in these entertaining and often thought-provoking films and shows, though I believe that this interest is going to hit its maximum in the next few years when people suddenly realize how sick they are of costumes, code names, and superpowers. Interest will then start to dip and continue to fall until superhero movies are a thing of the past...if studios continue to saturate the market as much as they are now.

The Amazing Spider-Man was a good movie. It was nothing groundbreaking or incredible, but it was enjoyable in my opinion, and much much much better than Spider-Man 3. But this time around Marvel's flagship character made less than he ever has before. General audiences just couldn't quite wrap their heads around a comic book-style reboot, nor were they as interested in seeing the web-slinger as they were the first time. It had already been done. The same thing happened with X-men: First Class. Arguably the best, but certainly no less than the second best, X-men movie to date made less money than the first movie did.

If Marvel continues to turn out films at their current rate, people will get bored; I can say that with a fair amount of certainty. If they let movie-goers breathe a little bit between their movies, especially their phases of movies, I think this disinterest could be postponed, or even avoided all together, but I highly doubt Marvel will realize this in time. They are much to focused on turning out as many movies as they can, plucking more and more obscure characters from the comics to put on screen. Well, I can't say you will hear any complaints from me while it lasts. Though Thor and Captain America have fallen short of my expectations, I will still be at every movie premiere with anticipation years in the making.

Do you agree with me that Marvel is going to run into some trouble in the next few years as people grow weary of superhero movies? Or will they be popular for years and years to come? Sound off in the comments below.
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NovaCorpsFan
NovaCorpsFan - 2/9/2014, 7:03 PM
I hate bell curves. They just have the worst names ever.

I agree with you on alot of levels. GotG is something I'm preparing myself to accept it flopping. I just have a feeling it'll be a great film that'll flop.
AquamanIsTheBest
AquamanIsTheBest - 2/9/2014, 7:20 PM
GotG won't flop. People said IM, Thor, and Cap would all flop. If people will pay money to go see THOR (The Norse god of thunder) then I'm sure they'll pay to see a space-opera with the Marvel title. Star Trek did really well and this will be 100000000X better
yonny616
yonny616 - 2/9/2014, 7:24 PM
I agree. There's what? 2 Marvel Studio films (3 if the rumors are true), then 1 Fox film (Maybe 2 if they can get F4 off the ground?), 1 from Sony (they only have spidey so they have gaps between films), and 1 from WB (Maybe 3 soon, if they get the DCCU off the ground and the rumors are true).

I can see the comic book movie industry becoming the next western. Once a huge success that everyone got on-board, until the audience gave no more [frick]s and it's genre's limped on ever since.
CanIJustBeCyclops
CanIJustBeCyclops - 2/9/2014, 7:45 PM
Good call on likening it to the western genre - I didn't even think of that. I'm very worried the same thing could happen here. And then all we'll have to look forward to is the next 3:10 to Yuma that comes around once every ten years or so.
MrCBM56
MrCBM56 - 2/9/2014, 7:55 PM
If the CBM genre becomes the next "western", Quentin Tarintino... You know what to do.
BoneSawIsReady
BoneSawIsReady - 2/9/2014, 8:14 PM
A respectful editorial. Consider however the comic book industry, there in itself is a saturation of heroes and superheroes. Before the technology of today this was the best way to get those stories out there. Tested and true as the perfect medium to distribute stories and art. They take creativity and imagination to another level.

Today, right now film is the generational medium for these stories. Perhaps there is a little hubris in Marvel's method but they seem to be creating a world for comic fans and general audiences alike. A good read all around. I agree the excitement over the announcement dates is incredibly awesome but I do think the pace of releases is spot on. It is allowing time for good story development and the credit teasers are a great nod to fans. Hopefully we can see similar genius from DC. Can you imagine the anticipation for films if they end on a cliffhanger? Thanks for posting your editorial.

One more thought on your bell curve because I'm not sure you applied it to your argument correctly. The y axis is the saturation of hero themed programming and films and the x axis should be the quality of the programming. That would explain the overall lackluster quality saturating said programming (the bell part). You would expect viewership and interest to increase as quality of story telling and effects increases. That would be the right side of the curve.
pesmerga44
pesmerga44 - 2/9/2014, 8:31 PM
I will say one thing on how I don't believe at least right now CBMs will become over saturated. At least for Marvel most of their movies have very different feels from each other. Iron Man is present day, Cap 1 was a WWII period piece and 2 is a politcal spy thriller, Thor 1 and 2 have fantasy elements to them, and GOTG is pure Sci-Fi comic book movie. I feel there is at least enough distinct differences between the films to keep people interested. As time goes on and we hit phase 4 it can all change but I believe Marvel can at least get through phase 3 before CBMs burn themselves out if they will.
Tainted87
Tainted87 - 2/9/2014, 8:51 PM
Eh, it all has to do with perspectives. What story are we going to see in _____ movie? Is it a direct adaption (overrated) or a semi-original tale? Will it make you sympathize with the villain, or will it make you back the hero(es) 100%? Will you want to see more afterwards, or will you hate the experience entirely? Will it be forgettable or will you tell your friends about your favorite part?

Those are all questions that MARVEL is highly aware of before making their movies. It's a business made marketable as artwork and entertainment, and the more capable and successful they are at selling it as art and less as a formula, the more people will buy it.

They're not going to stop until it becomes a habit, until it becomes the next "Call of Duty" that everyone's lost track of.
MightyZeus
MightyZeus - 2/9/2014, 8:52 PM
You've articulated some good points as to where comic book films could be heading. I think that the general audience may find them over saturated unless of course each comic book film does something different to amaze and wow the audience which is being done at the moment ect Captain America: The Winter Soldier being a spy thriller and GOTG being a sci fi film.
I am currently getting tired of reboots and origin stories that have already been told and i'm assuming so is the general audience.
MightyZeus
MightyZeus - 2/9/2014, 8:55 PM
@Batmaniac, Yeah that's odd i can not see the thumbs up button. Where can it be?
CanIJustBeCyclops
CanIJustBeCyclops - 2/9/2014, 9:59 PM
Thanks for all the comments everyone.
@BoneSawIsReady good point about how movies are now the standard experimental medium rather than print. I hadn't thought about that.
@AlexanderLykins would Namor be under Fox or Marvel at this point? I mean he was being touted as "Marvel's first mutant" for the longest time and was an X-men there for a while.

I'm not sure what's going on with the thumb's up, but if it shows up again at any point I'd really appreciate the love.
NovaCorpsFan
NovaCorpsFan - 2/9/2014, 11:40 PM
I'm convinced the thumbs up is only there when it's an article on a fansite. Or if an article is horrifically put together (not the case here) then there's no thumb up button. That's what I'm guessing at least.
Wallymelon
Wallymelon - 2/9/2014, 11:45 PM
Films aren't experimental at all. All art forms in the main stream media have been watered down and they just repeat cycles of what works.

I agree however with these films becoming over saturated. Marvel will be fine. They've made better decisions this phase since they have a plan now. First phase was luck. I think they're just trying to prove themselves that they can killl the game with a full plan.
OcciferPing
OcciferPing - 2/10/2014, 5:22 AM
@CanIJustBeCyclops

I agree with you. It does seem to be overkill. There's this new superhero movie that's set in present day Hawaii. I ran across it on Facebook. It looks like it has a lot of potential. Take a gander:

https://www.facebook.com/loveandtransformation
Tainted87
Tainted87 - 2/10/2014, 6:30 AM
I think the less the upcoming Marvel movies actually FEEL like comic book movies, the better.
kinghulk
kinghulk - 2/10/2014, 9:56 AM
i personally dont think it makes sense to compare comic book movies to western films. after all CBM's have a lot more diverse stories, characters and worlds and can fit in multiple diffrent genres like MARVEL is currently doing. eventually people will get less interested but i think that wont be for a while.
WorstUserNameEver
WorstUserNameEver - 2/10/2014, 11:05 AM
The thing is as soon as the box office receipts start to dry up, Marvel will flip the script and then properties like Runaways may get green-lit.

Also, if the well runs dry X-Men and Spidey will end up reverting and the day that marvel release their version of either title, the box office will BLOW UP!
Wolf38
Wolf38 - 2/10/2014, 12:16 PM
"Strike while the iron is hot" very much applies to Marvel Studios itself right now, and I think that its brand name carries an association with quality that will insulate it from audience apathy for awhile. So Marvel Studios IMO should keep going full-bore, Ant-Man and all. I'm not worried about Ant-Man or Guardians of the Galaxy. Attractive casts + association with the Marvel brand + good trailers. Only if the films are horrible will they maybe not succeed.

Spider-Man? I'm not a fan of what Sony did with that franchise. I think that The Amazing Spiderman was a mediocre film, but it still made very good money.

The X-Men franchise went way down the tubes in terms of quality, and the last two films have suffered somewhat from that even though they were much better.

Anyway, I think that a lot depends on quality. Great, well-marketed films will do well, regardless of genre. But it is true that the novelty is wearing off, so no every CBM is an event in the same way that they used to be, and if a studio puts out a series of lackluster films, they will see diminishing returns.
Tuuralihn
Tuuralihn - 2/10/2014, 12:19 PM
I think why The Amazing Spider-Man failed was that we just were tired of Spidey. Doing a reboot 5 years (or something) after the last one ended was kinda stupid. Just Sony wanting to keep their rights to Spidey.

I think Marvel can continue for a long time. Due to the rather unique way they set up the world, close knit and connected make it rather incredible. They managed to keep it light, but still dramatic. They found the perfect balance.

DC/WB won't be able to do the same. They don't have the right people behind the curtains, no one like Feige or Whedon to steer the ship properly. Goyer can come up with a good story, but it usually is superficial and lack depth. They're trying to make it to dark and gritty. Realism won't work here. TDK worked because it was Batman. Making Superman realistic messes up what is essentially Superman.
CanIJustBeCyclops
CanIJustBeCyclops - 2/10/2014, 5:55 PM
Marvel definitely has crafted a cinematic universe in a way that has never been done before (at least successfully) and it's been very cool to watch it grow and expand. I love hearing my friends talk about how much they love the movies when they've never been comics fans.
CaptainAmerica31
CaptainAmerica31 - 2/11/2014, 8:07 AM
I've been saying this for years now. Too many CBMs a year will lead to saturation of the genre. It was awesome when we got one a year. It felt magical. Now it's just old, I love CBMs but I want some space between them so it doesn't become over saturated
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